Death at CR 06/05

jctwizzer, I don't see how it could not be in the news either. That is part of the reason I am so mystified by this. There was a full ambulance crew there, Myself, at least four squad cars, Many Disney security people. I just don't get it.
 
caribear said:
I saw this mentioned on another board. Disney is quick to cover up incidents that would be high profile. I do not think you will be able to find much information.


I think I know the board you are talking about and I read about this there last night (6/6). Very sad :(
 
This event did happen. We have a family member who is a CM. CM's were told it was a suicide. I can see easily how / why Disney would keep this quiet. Disney is a 'fantasyland', a get-a-way, idylic vacation spot. It was a suicide, so it's not as if there was some sort of liability for the Disney Company. But it certainly can, as the original poster stated, be disheartening and disturbing for guests.
 
Sammie said:
Not sure what you saw, but I find it hard to believe any investigation would leave a body lying on the scene for almost 6 hours.

6 hours is not a long time. There is so much procedure involved in a death investigation.

When I was in college a student jumped from his dorm window. His body lay in direct view from my dorm window. He was only covered with a sheet and was there for at least 12 hours before removed. Many students complained and were told this had to be until the police finshed. That was 12 years ago and I remember the image vividly. I can undertsand the original poster being traumatized.
 

Can someone please help me find the "other" board that this is being discussed on?

Thank You
 
Im so sorry for you all. Im sure Disney tries to keep things under wrap since its the most magical place on earth but things happen like this can happen anywhere when it involves alcohol, mental illness, etc. as far as crime scenes- they have to keep everything as is until they get all the info and pics they need- that is standard everywhere. how disturbing though for you all- kinda brings you back to reality.

found this showing how Disney goes to all lengths to keep things quiet

This was one of the incidences that finally had a huge impact on the way Disney did business with the public:
On Aug. 31, 1994, Disney security guards spotted two teens goofing around on a walkway of the Contemporary Resort. When spotted, they ran and were seen leaving in a pick up. A Disney guard pursued the truck at speeds of up to 80 mph even though they LEFT the park and were outside of Disney property and jurisdiction. The truck crashed, killing 18 year old Robb Sipkema. In Florida, highway deaths are investigated by the Highway Patrol. Disney refused to allow them to interview the woman "security hostess" who drove the van chasing the teens. Disney also would not release the transcripts of the radio conversation taking place between this guard and the dispatcher during the chase. The parents of Robb Sipkema sued. Even though the 'security hostess' was not a law enforcement officer, Orange County Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. said Disney had a 'private security arrangement' - in essence a contract with itself - and the Highway Patrol would not be allowed access to "internal company documents". Appeals led to the State Attorney General who said that although Disney Security perform only 'basic night watchman duties', which would NOT include high speed chases off Disney property, the Sipkemas ended up dropping the lawsuit due to total uncooperation by Disney. However, because of the suit, Disney Security Guard vans changed their Mars lights from red (like police) to amber; and they were no longer permitted to use "regular law enforcement" lingo and codes when talking to dispatchers. In other words, stop pretending they were actual police.
 
Dizneeforus said:
This event did happen. We have a family member who is a CM. CM's were told it was a suicide. I can see easily how / why Disney would keep this quiet. "

Don't you find it peculiar that, with about 60,000 employees on site---not all of whom are enchanted by the mouse---and with a large hotel full of other guests....absolutely no one but the OP has made mentioned of the incident. I consider that virtually impossible no matter how much Disney might want to cover something up
 
jctwizzer, I understand completely. That is why I am so mystified by this. But I have found a thread on another board from another guest that was contacted by the police regarding this. It did happen. Maybe I should have taken pictures????
 
If it has been ruled as a suicide, there's no reason to report it. It's nobody's business. I feel sorry for those guests that witnessed the surrounding events, but I don't think it's necessary to blast that kind of news in the papers and on TV. Maybe someone somewhere in the media had the good conscience to let the surviving family deal with this in peace. It's NOT news ... it's a sad situation that the people left behind have to deal with.

To insinuate that because it wasn't all over the TV, the OP must be making up this story is just plain rude. Yep, we have lots of trolls on these boards, but what would be the point of making up such a story.

Just MHO.

MaryLiz
 
I have read that if someone dies on Disney property - say from a heart attack, the body isn't pronounced dead until it has been removed to an off property location such as Sand Lake or Celebration Hospital.
 
I have to agree w/ maryliz - If it was a suicide it proably wouldn't be all over the paper. In a town the size of Orlando I imagine suicides are not "big news" even if they happen at Disney.

yensid2005 - What did the staff at the Contemporary do for you? Did they offer to move you to another resort? What did they say when you checked out early?

I'm sorry this happened on your vacation - It must have been horrible.
 
Don't know whether to belive this one or not. We were at the CR then. WE sure didn't see a tent or notice anything odd. However, we were staying on the 5th floor, bay side, and decided to ride the monorail to the MK, so we didn't go downstairs at all. If it happened, sure glad we didn't see it.
 
I agree a suicide wouldn't be big news, certainly not national news and Disney might have enough influence to have the Orlando Sentinel bury the story. Not so much of a cover up as how newsworthy a suicide is. It wouldn't have made the paper the next day and a 2 day old suicide really isn't that newsworthy. Particularly if there aren't any pictures available and if there aren't any details available about the deceased.

John Doe jumping out of the Contemporay with no other details really wouln't make for much of a story.
 
Happy Birthday Cat said:
If this had indeed happened, it would have been all over the national news, not just the local Orlando news. There has been nothing on it. Sorry but I don't buy the story.

HBC

Because you weren't informed you don't think it happened? That's strange. :rolleyes:
 
Not too long ago one of Disney's resort buses burned to the ground on World Drive ( least I think it was WD ). It never made national news.
 
Florida must be a completely different state than I am used to if it has been "ruled" anything. In Michigan, this would still be under investigation as a suspicious death/homicide until after a complete autopsy was condcuted, the police report finished, toxicology reports returned, etc. It is too soon after the alleged incident to be ruled anything.
 
missypie, I doubt many people seen the tent or noticed it if they did see it. It is the same structures Disney commonly use to "close off" work or activity that may be going on that they want to shield from public view. I have seen these structures many times on Disney property.


k_k_100, I don't hold the CR responsible for what happened. But, they do know we stay at the CR every year for 12 years. As far as I am concerned, they didn't do anything to help us at all. They insisted that we move to a different room (wich we gladly did) but after that there was no help moving rooms, no one asked us how we were doing, they didn't even help with the luggage transfer. I believe they could have done something small to try to help salvage our vacation, a fruit basket or maybe a dinner comped. They did nothing. No one even told us they were sorry for what happened. I was up all night with the police. My wife was up most of the night. I believe she did doze off at about 6:30 or so. My son slept through most of it, up until the time the police started to i assume "re-enact" everything above us in the room. That is what it sounded like to me.

If they would have done any little gesture, we would have felt like they cared. They did nothing.

When I checked out, there was a one night credit on our account for what they refered to as "an incident".

I actually think they were happy to see us go. It was one more link to this death that was gone.
 


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