Dear recession:

sahd2one

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We have decided not to participate. The parking lots of the shopping areas are full so are those around the restaurants.

The local community banks are lending money for small businesses and for home buyers.

You may be trying to bring down our country's mood, but we are not going to fall for your tricks. We are supporting those in need and giving business to those who are in our community.

Go find another area to blast on about, because we are not listening to you or your friends in the media.
 
well said, you are probably going to get blasted by people who want to bring everybodys mood down, but stay positive, have a great attitude, continue to work and play hard, the usa is strong and we will come out of anything better and stronger.
 

I agree! I was in Vegas last week, and it was amazing how many people were on the strip and filling up the casinos! It was during the weekday too.
 
Just look at all the recent complaints about the crowds at Disney.

Enough said.
 
We have decided not to participate. The parking lots of the shopping areas are full so are those around the restaurants.

The local community banks are lending money for small businesses and for home buyers.

You may be trying to bring down our country's mood, but we are not going to fall for your tricks. We are supporting those in need and giving business to those who are in our community.

Go find another area to blast on about, because we are not listening to you or your friends in the media.

Where do you live?

Here in SE Michigan it is a completly different scenario.
 
I see a lot of "going out of business" signs here.
I was shocked actually.
Home prices are really BAD, and even the cheap ones are not selling.

Other than that, I dont see a lot of it.
But then, I think the poeple are feeling are the people who "Live" on Wall Street.

I dont want it to be a counting your chickens before they catch thing though... (wait. does that work? LOL! You know what I mean.)
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with keeping a positive, upbeat attitude - while also following my mother's golden rule:

"An ounce of protection is worth a pound of cure.":thumbsup2

Prepare for the worst - hope for the best.. ;)
 
The malls here are crazy busy-you can hardly find a parking space.

I saw the Disney Visa discount and decided to apply for one. This was the week after the hurrah about the $700 billion bailout, so even though our credit rating is excellent, I thought we might not get approved or maybe we'd get $1000-wrong! We were approved for $20000! That's crazy,IMO.
 
Hey, I'm glad all of you are not dealing with the effects of the recession. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. It really all depends on where you live, and even then your personal situation as far as income, job sector, etc. can influence how much you are affected. While DH and I have been affected (he has been unemployed since June), we're fortunate to have positioned ourselves in such a way so as not to have our world crashing down around us.

However, it's obvious that here and in many other places across the country more and more people are facing the negative effects of the downward trend in our economy. Locally, I'm noticing more and more people are shopping at the outlet stores. Last weekend, while shopping for clothes for the grands, Carter's was packed. In the past, usually I'm the only one in there. DH and I stopped at Chili's for dinner the other night (we had a BOGO coupon). The place was literally empty. A few months ago, there would have been an hour wait. Parking lots at food stores and WalMart are still packed; go to the mall, you would think it was closed there are so few cars in the lot. Friday night at 6:30 PM and several car dealerships are closed. I've never known a car dealership in this area to close before 9PM on any night other than Saturday. Just signs that things here are not so good for many people. Let's not even begin to discuss the housing market.

Hopefully your areas will continue to buck the trend. I really hope that's true, but please don't think that because you don't see it locally, that there aren't people in our country facing really difficult times.



Majority of States Now in Recession
In March, 5 States Were in Recession; Now There are 27 With 14 More at Risk
By SCOTT MAYEROWITZ
ABC NEWS Business Unit
Oct. 21, 2008

What started out as a housing problem in a few states has now exploded into a full-fledged recession with a majority of states now in or dangerously close to recession.

What started as a recession in just a few states has now spread to 27 with another 14 states near recession, according to Mark Zandi, chief economist and co-founder of Moody's Economy.com.

Just this weekend, President Bush's top economic advisor used the much-avoided word "recession" to describe the economies in some states.

"We are seeing what I think anyone would characterize as a recession in certain parts of the country," Edward P. Lazear, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, said on CNN's "Late Edition."

Back in March, Mark Zandi, chief economist and co-founder of Moody's Economy.com, said that only five states were in recession: Arizona, California, Florida, Michigan and Nevada.

Now, he said that 27 states are in recession and another 14 are near recession.

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"There's no way around the map. It says the nation is in recession. The recession is coast to coast," Zandi said. "Just a handful of states are expanding at this point. One of the unique features of this downturn is how broad-based it is, regionally."

What happened between March and today?

"The job market has eroded measurably and industrial production has weakened sharply in the last couple of months. Those are the two key things. The other thing is that retail sales have also sharply weakened," Zandi said.

The one bright side is part of the middle of the country. Agriculture and energy are still strong and providing jobs.

Maryland, Massachusetts and New Hampshire are still growing and that is because of health care and educational services.

"In the past, in recessions, you saw people moving from areas that were hard hit, to areas that were holding up better, looking for jobs and better incomes," he said. "Now, there is nowhere to go."

High Unemployment

David Wyss, managing director and chief economist at Standard & Poor's, said the worst problems are in the old rust belt, Michigan being the worst hit. The state now has the highest unemployment in the country.

"The recession began, really, with the housing sector and then also very quickly with automobiles," Wyss said. "The states that have been hardest hit have been the manufacturing states, in large part because of what happened with cars."

Now the recession is spreading to other states where the housing bubble never burst. For instance, Wyss said, the Boeing strike is starting to drag down Washington state's economy and spread over into Oregon.

"The exception is the part of the country between the Mississippi River and the Rockies, which is still doing pretty well," he said. "High farm prices are good if you are in Iowa. High oil prices are good if you are in Houston."

Peter Morici, an economics professor at the University of Maryland, said a decline in manufacturing is really hurting the rust belt. That said, the economy still is very regional and industry-specific.

"It always varies. Even during the Great Depression, there were people that hardly felt it," Morici said. "Recessions and depressions always have varying effects on people and locations."

Agriculture is doing well because of ethanol development and a growing demand for grains by people in Asia.

Budget Shortfalls

Several state governments already face major budget shortfalls.

"The state governments are an exercise in irresponsibility. Through the property boom, they enjoyed the increase in people's assessments," Morici said. "They are just not structured to handle the cynical movements in their revenue the way they should be.

"Just like companies, municipalities can behave irresponsibly in good times, not shore up any money for bad times and then go crying to the federal government when they need cash," he added.

Casey Mulligan, an economics professor at the University of Chicago, said a lot of regions have a few industries. When those industries suffer, the whole area tends to. Take New York City, which is now hurting because of troubles in the financial sector based there.

One bright spot on the economy: consumer goods. Brands like Coca-Cola and General Mills are doing well, Mulligan said, in particular, thanks to strong international growth. The large high-tech companies also appear to be doing well.

"It's true in all recessions and booms," he added, "that there are some places that don't participate."
 
Went to the mall tonight - as crowded as ever. Then, had a 45 minute wait for a table at one of the restaurants in town. People are still out and about, and spending money.....Starbucks was crowded this morning and the car wash this afternoon was mobbed. I don't see people cutting back at all. My husband has more overtime now than he's ever had; he has huge contracts coming in from major companies. Things are looking good here.:thumbsup2
 
The malls here are crazy busy-you can hardly find a parking space.

I saw the Disney Visa discount and decided to apply for one. This was the week after the hurrah about the $700 billion bailout, so even though our credit rating is excellent, I thought we might not get approved or maybe we'd get $1000-wrong! We were approved for $20000! That's crazy,IMO.
I know and there are some people who just want to rain on your parade and try to bring you down with their own misery.

I truly believe we all have the power to change the outcome of our environment purely by our reaction to it. I get call after call and letter after letter offering me credit or to open a line of credit for my business.

It was again full parking lots at all of the local restaurants tonight. Yes we have foreclosures but there have always been foreclosures. Our economy is so resilient it is not even funny.

We have survived SARS, Bird-Flu, Terrorist attacks, 87 crash, tech bubble burst, Y2K scares and we are still in such good shape.

I and many others won't accumulate wealth as quickly, but I am in this for the long term. I don't see those soup lines forming any time soon!
 
I'd love to think this was true, but we've been in a recession in Michigan for years now. I really pray it doesn't hit the whole country like its hit here. Every day it only gets worse with more job cuts announced, more foreclosures, higher unemployment, strip malls with missing stores, and closed down factories.
 
I see a lot of "going out of business" signs here.
I was shocked actually.
Home prices are really BAD, and even the cheap ones are not selling.

Other than that, I dont see a lot of it.
But then, I think the poeple are feeling are the people who "Live" on Wall Street.

I dont want it to be a counting your chickens before they catch thing though... (wait. does that work? LOL! You know what I mean.)


Yeah but youre kind of in a real estate bubble in our area. The house next store to me closed yesterday it had been on the market for 3 months. Another 1 street over sold in 2 months, I think the average in my neighbourhood is 3.5 months. Some are way over priced though. If its priced right its selling. My realtor told me the other day she was amazed at how busy she is.

The businesses that I have seen going out are mainly natl chains though. Local stuff seems to be going strong other than Norwalk.

I certainly dont think we have it as bad as other places in the country.
 
I'd love to think this was true, but we've been in a recession in Michigan for years now. I really pray it doesn't hit the whole country like its hit here. Every day it only gets worse with more job cuts announced, more foreclosures, higher unemployment, strip malls with missing stores, and closed down factories.

I was going to say the same thing. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade--but things are very different here (and have been for awhile) so we have a different perspective. The people I know are worried. We're fine for now but that doesn't mean I don't see houses that aren't selling, know people who have been laid off, and see businesses closing.

I don't hear the media saying anything that hasn't actually been happening here.
 
Depends on where you live.

Hawaii isn't doing too bad but things are getting worse. Tourism is down 20% on the other islands and almost that bad on O'ahu. Tourism is the lifeblood of Hawaii.

DH is lucky (if you want to call it that) that his job is "recession-proof" thanks to the war so we haven't really cut back too much. We went out to dinner a few weeks ago at PFChangs at 7pm on a Friday night in Waikiki and called ahead to make reservations, anticipating it being nuts. WRONG...totally empty!!!! Very unlike Waikiki, which is normally a packed place.
 
As long as the media keeps talking the economy down, people will be convinced that the sky is falling and "Wall street" is burning!!! Gosh I have more money than I know what to do with in the past three weeks with gas now at $1.50 less per gallon.

It will be an awesome Christmas around these parts!
 
Things are pretty good here - every place is crowded and we've got lots of new stores and restaurants opening. A few places have gone out of business but mostly those were places like CompUSA that closed everywhere or the locally owned places that never did any business even before the current economic issues.

I don't think houses are selling as well as they were, but given how many new houses people have been building that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

I do think it's a matter of perception - if the news wasn't constantly focusing on the negative I think it would be better than it is. Still, even though I know some places are different we really haven't seen any problems in our town.
 

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