Deal reached to extend The Patriot Act: Does this concern you?

[JCJRSmith]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/08/patriot.act/index.html

 

[CheshireVal]

Yes, it does.

I'm not a huge fan of the Patriot Act.

 

[kristasmom]

No. Whatever it takes to keep America safe.

 

[dennis99ss]

It should concern everybody. It is not a act to stop terrorism, it is an act to remove basic liberties from our society, and allow the government to control more and more aspects of your lives, and watch you, for no reason, in order to see if there is anything there, that would warrant additional investigation.

 

[SEAlla]

No. Whatever it takes to keep America safe.

ITA...

 

[dennis99ss]

Kristasmom,

so, you believe the government should have access to your persional life, so thaey can check you out, to see if there is something there that they can investigate?

If the government can wiretap without warrant, if the government can hold suspects without the right for the suspect to question the holding, what makes you think that, once society is ok with it, which you are, that there will not be more erosion of rights. If a suspected terrorist does not have the right to counsel, what is to stop the government from saying, well, that suspected murderer is not entitled to the right to counsel, or, that suspected atlanta park bomber.....

Slippery slope, and, you need to understand what it is you are agreeing to give up

 

[Mom2be]

Kristasmom,

so, you believe the government should have access to your persional life, so thaey can check you out, to see if there is something there that they can investigate?

If the government can wiretap without warrant, if the government can hold suspects without the right for the suspect to question the holding, what makes you think that, once society is ok with it, which you are, that there will not be more erosion of rights. If a suspected terrorist does not have the right to counsel, what is to stop the government from saying, well, that suspected murderer is not entitled to the right to counsel, or, that suspected atlanta park bomber.....

Slippery slope, and, you need to understand what it is you are agreeing to give up

ITA!!

 

[dcentity2000]

No. Whatever it takes to keep America safe.

But who watches the watch?



Rich::

 

[CheshireVal]

I think if people actually understood more about the PA and what it actually means, they'd be upset.

I think a lot of people just kind of assume they're safe because they're not Middle Eastern, but it's something that affects each and every one of us.

This country was founded on the concept of civil liberties, and now they're slowly being eroded.

 

[dennis99ss]

whatever it takes.....

Fine,

Let us place all muslims in camps, and then deport them. Let us place all who may be suspicious in acamps, and ship them out. Heck, we did it to the japenses. The Germans did it as well.....

 

[dcentity2000]

whatever it takes.....

Fine,

Let us place all muslims in camps, and then deport them. Let us place all who may be suspicious in acamps, and ship them out. Heck, we did it to the japenses. The Germans did it as well.....

Why not exterminate them? That is the most sure-fire way to ensure America's safety, logically.

Of course, as with communism the factor that is human nature is left out here. Persecute muslims and you risk a bigger opponent, etc.

The trick is to respond in a dignified, freedom led and respectful fashion.



Rich::

 

[robinb]

Sen. Russ Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat and the only senator to vote against the original Patriot Act in 2001, called the agreement "a major disappointment" and promised to do "everything I can, including a filibuster, to stop this Patriot Act conference report."

"Merely sunsetting bad law is not adequate," Feingold said in a statement released after the agreement was announced. "We need to make substantive changes to the law, and without those changes I am confident there will be strong, bipartisan opposition here in the Senate."

I love Russ! I am very proud that he is my senator.

 

[Disney Gator]

Kristasmom,

so, you believe the government should have access to your persional life, so thaey can check you out, to see if there is something there that they can investigate?

If the government can wiretap without warrant, if the government can hold suspects without the right for the suspect to question the holding, what makes you think that, once society is ok with it, which you are, that there will not be more erosion of rights. If a suspected terrorist does not have the right to counsel, what is to stop the government from saying, well, that suspected murderer is not entitled to the right to counsel, or, that suspected atlanta park bomber.....

Slippery slope, and, you need to understand what it is you are agreeing to give up

...if the government can take money that you've earned away from you and "redistribute" it to others...

 

[Free4Life11]

Admittedly, I don't know much about the Patriot Act. But what I have read doesn't really concern me. The government has access to so much information about me already (and I pretty much gave them my life history when I filled out that Standard 86 form or whatever it was.) I don't check out much from the library, so that's a moot point for me. And I am such a boring person that I rarely discuss anything "juicy" on the phone or via email. Like we learned in Communications class, it's best to only say things you wouldn't mind being published in the newspaper.

 

[scubamouse]

Why not exterminate them? That is the most sure-fire way to ensure America's safety, logically.
Rich::

I wonder if that falls under the umbrella of 'whatever it takes'

 

[Disney-Kim]

no I am not happy with it.
I am also not happy with the Supreme Court's ruling yesterday that defaulted student loans can be deducted from social security wages. most debts have a statute of limitations. I won't even go further. I just don't agree with it !!

 

[Debbie Jean]

I think if people actually understood more about the PA and what it actually means, they'd be upset.

I think a lot of people just kind of assume they're safe because they're not Middle Eastern, but it's something that affects each and every one of us.

This country was founded on the concept of civil liberties, and now they're slowly being eroded.

Exactly.

As a librarian I can tell you that we are now required to turn over to the government at their request all of our circulation records. That's correct... what you check out from the library is now the governments business. No one is allowed to use any of the computers in the library unless their login can be traced directly to their name. Why? Because the government now has the right to confiscate all computers and check every single website visited. BTW, they can go into your home and do exactly the same thing. They do not need your consent. That's the Patriot Act.

Before you say "they" should do whatever it takes, check it out and see exactly what it is "they" are saying they can do according to the Patriot Act.
I think most people would be shocked.

 

[RitaZ.]

This country was founded on the concept of civil liberties, and now they're slowly being eroded.

I agree. Having grown up in a communist country, I know what it's like to have no civil and political rights. The thought of that potentially happening in the US makes me ill.

 

[scubamouse]

I am also not happy with the Supreme Court's ruling yesterday that defaulted student loans can be deducted from social security wages. most debts have a statute of limitations. I won't even go further. I just don't agree with it !!

actually i don't mind that at all. student loans have never been dischargeable in bankruptcy. defaulting on student loans already follows you for life.

 

[marybet]

I love Russ! I am very proud that he is my senator.

You are so lucky. Here in Alabama our senators haven't heard a Bush idea they don't like.

I was hoping that they would change the PA, there is stuff in there that is down right scary . I hope I never become a person of interest to this administration.