Daycare help needed...caution long post ahead!

tiff211

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Before we moved to GA, I LOVED the daycare dds attended. I couldn't say enough positive things about it. We had been there over 5 years, starting when DD6 was 12 months, DD4 started at 12 weeks as did the DD1.

When we moved to GA, I enrolled them at a daycare recommended by a friend. They have been there since October and over the past six months DH and I have been assessing the center. Lately it seems as if the cons have been outweighing the pros. And yesterday, I thought I would defintitely be finding a new place for them to go. My friend who recommended it also has issues with the place but in talking to my other girlfriend who worked as a daycare teacher for years said that since my issues seem to be mostly administrative, I shouldn't uproot the girls. But my feelings are that, we put the girls there to be a help to us and if situations keep arising that inconvenience us, then that's not helping.

Some examples: The daycare closes the week of Christmas. I understand the need to be with family during that week but then I don't feel we should have to pay for that week. I have asked lots of friends and none of their daycares do this and I know my old one didn't. Maybe the day before or day after. I am lucky that DH is a teacher so he was off as well but what about those parents who have to work?

Also, one of the reasons we chose the center was because they offer before school care, so we had planned for DH to drop off all 3 but then we found out that there was no transportation from the daycare to the school for dd6 so is that supposed to help? They do have a van that picks up for after school though.

They also said they have drop in service if we call the day before. We have done this 3 times and each time we were told there was no one available that day.

2 very minor things that drive me crazy, the smell, it smells like deordarizer they would use in a hospital, I understand the need to be clean and sanitized but the odor is so strong, DDs smell like it when they come home, their hair and clothes and blankets. And they put baby oil on the baby's face. She looks like she's been shellaced every day!! I told them she doesn't need it but they tell me and DH that it protects her face and still do it. It's one of the battles I choose not to fight. We just wipe it off. Weird though, my old daycare couldn't put on sunscreen or lip balm without my written permission.

And then there has been some payment issues, a couple of times I made payments and was still told I owe the money. I would have to go and look for the receipt as proof. This also happened to my friend. I didn't use to keep the receipts but since the errors, I have been.

I have a flexible spending dependent care account and they pay a reimbursement portion automatically each month. I pay the difference on the 1st and she gets the remainder by the 25th. I asked her if this was a problem (it's all due the 1st and she said no). The first month it got screwed up and she didn't get paid. I worked it out and the next month, it went through ok. I told her to let me know if she didn't get it by the 25th of the month. Then last month, I didn't hear anything so I didn't even think about it. We went on vacation on the 31st and when they went back I sent in my payment with DH. He called me and said she never got the payment by the 25th. So I called the company and they had messed up again. They said they would send it out the next week. So I let her know that and asked if that was okay, she said sure. I said you will get it by the end of next week, is that a problem. She said no, as long as I know it's coming. That was Mon. of last week. Friday, a note comes home with DH stating that I needed to call her about the balance, I am wondering what the heck, since we had the convo on Mon. Anyway, I had planned to call her yesterday morning. DH goes to take the girls and calls me irate! The teachers have instructions not to let the girls in until I talk to the director, who has not arrived yet. DH has 5th grade testing and can't be late so I scramble to get there and let him go to work. She has just arrived and we go in her office. She tells me she was expecting a payment last week. I ask her why she assumed that when we had the conversation stating otherwise. She proceeds to tell me about her overhead and salaries which I totally understand and even understand that not having the payment is not good for her buisness. My issue is that she did not tell me this when we spoke. And I specifically asked her 3-4 times if it was okay, if the payment came the end of this week. And I stated the date it would be sent out so there was no room for confusion. And if for whatever reason she had decided she needed the money before the girls could go back, why didn't she call me or write that on the note so I could have taken them in instead of DH?! There was no warning or anything. Not to mention, the teachers are thinking we are not paying our way! So, I had to pay her and when the check from the company arrives (it went out yesterday) she will reimburse me ( I made sure reimbursement, not credit). Daycare for 3 is expensive enough without having to pay it twice!! I went to work and sent her an email and asked her to reply agreeing to the terms so now it is in writing!!!

I am trying to make a decision because DD6 and DD4 will be out for the summer starting the beginning of May. I signed up DD4 for preschool there but I can sign her up for preschool where DD6 goes to to school on May 2. So I am trying to decide what to do in a short period of time. Any advice? When it comes down to it, of course they come first!
 
IMO it's on you and you alone to make sure they payments are made.

It's rough when things happen that are out of your control but the solution is not to burden more people (at the daycare) with the the problem.

The solution IMO is to pay the daycare on time and work out the details on your end when needed.
 
Baby oil on her face. That is ridiculous, especially when you have asked them not to.

I agree with cardaway about the payment issues. The day care shouldn't have to wait for payment because of something you have set up with work. They agreed initially, but since it has been messed up twice now, I can understand the day care's frustration. Is there any way you can have the savings account pay for care in advance?

I think you should start looking for something that is more convenient and flexible. You should feel comfortable about the care your children are receiving. No, day care isn't going to are for your children exactly like you would. But you have to decide what you can live with, and what you can't.

Good luck.

Denae
 

Baby oil on her face. That is ridiculous, especially when you have asked them not to.

I agree with cardaway about the payment issues. The day care shouldn't have to wait for payment because of something you have set up with work. They agreed initially, but since it has been messed up twice now, I can understand the day care's frustration. Is there any way you can have the savings account pay for care in advance?

I think you should start looking for something that is more convenient and flexible. You should feel comfortable about the care your children are receiving. No, day care isn't going to are for your children exactly like you would. But you have to decide what you can live with, and what you can't.

Good luck.

Denae

I am in total agreement with the fact the payments are my responsiblity and have nixed the company sending the checks directly to her since that clearly isn't working. I will pay it and be reimbursed. My frustation was that she said it was ok, and then without warning it wasn't and then she went to extreme measures like not letting the girls in.
 
Since your company pays it on the 25th and it's due on the 1st... why not let her keep the payment you just made and then when the company pays on the 25th is will be about a week early? Then you can pay the difference on the 1st and it will always be on time...

The closing for a week during the holidays I understand. Our daycare did that as well. Not fun having to find someone else during that time but that seems to be a new trend.

The baby oil would be the one fight I'd pick. If you have asked for them not to do it... they shouldn't. That simple.

Good luck! I'm so thankful my daycare days are over!
 
As for taking time off for the holidays, why shouldn't the daycare folks get paid holidays and vacation just like everybody else?

We have it in our policy that we get the standard holidays off with pay and two weeks of vacation above that. The parents also can take two weeks of vacation without paying or losing their spot.
 
Since your company pays it on the 25th and it's due on the 1st... why not let her keep the payment you just made and then when the company pays on the 25th is will be about a week early? Then you can pay the difference on the 1st and it will always be on time...

The closing for a week during the holidays I understand. Our daycare did that as well. Not fun having to find someone else during that time but that seems to be a new trend.

The baby oil would be the one fight I'd pick. If you have asked for them not to do it... they shouldn't. That simple.

Good luck! I'm so thankful my daycare days are over!

But why should we have to pay for that week if you are not open to provide the service we are paying for?
 
You need to be totally comfortable with where your children are. How can you or your DH be effective at your jobs if you're worried about them? I would start looking elsewhere for your sweeties. And I would probably do preschool for your four year old at the school the six year old attends. Especially if that's where she'll be going for kindergarten, less transition than finding a new arrangement, new preschool, then new school for kg.

I do agree with the arrangement Tybug mentioned, it would probably make everyone happier. But I completely understand the frustration that happened for you. They agreed to work with the prior arrangement, too bad they changed the rules on you.

Yuck to the baby oil! Why do they think it's necessary? Ethnic skin is different (I never even used baby oil on my fair skinned kids!), but you know what's best for your baby! If her face isn't dry, and you don't like it....I'd be irritated.

Good luck, things can be so stressful when you're trying to do what's best for your children!
 
Here is my .02 from a former Day Care teacher.

Administrative stuff is awful, but finding good CARE for you kids can be very hard. Are they happy? Is the staff good with them (aside from the baby oil thing?)? Is the staff to child ratio good? Is the staff turnover low? Is the place clean and healthy? (not just smells clean) Are the other kids a "good group"--no biters, fighters, ones that come sick all the time etc...?

Those are the things that really matter. How well are your children being cared for? I see that there are some convience issues and that can be a big deal if you can't work around them. If you have to have the before school care and drop in service then I that might be a reason to change. But you may find a place that has a great Administration and is convieniet to your needs but the situation for your kids could be much worse.

I can understand that the deodorizing smell can be bad, but he alternative is not necessarily better. I worked (for a very short time) in a place that reeked of urine--I would have loved a deodorizing smell!

If the baby oil thing bothers you--and it is your baby, you have the right to object, make it clear you don't want it happening again. I am shocked they will do that without your permission. Write a note on a sheet of paper with a fat red marker that says "NO BABY OIL ON *name*)" and watch them while they post it by the changing table or whereever that usually happens. Tell them you do not want it to happen again. I am very sensitive about what goes on my kids skin and I would be livid--we have a lot of allergies, and I am thinking the oil probably clogs her pores and just isn't healthy.

As for the drop off, I suspect the problem is that they have full classes and because of licensing standards they can not exceed the staff/child ratio. Obviously they told you that would be possible and that has changed and that is a bummer.

I can't speak to the payment issues since I never dealt with any of that. Paying for time they are not open like holidays seems unreasonable, but I am guessing that they basically just have a figure for the "full year tuition" and then divide it by 52 weeks so that the payment for each week seems lower than if they divided it by 51 weeks. If the parents rasied a stink they would probably see their weekly payment for all the other weeks go up slightly to compensate for that week. You really aren't paying for an unused week, you are really just making weekly payments for all the time you are there. Does that make sense?

Good luck. Finding quality child care is so difficult. I feel for every parent that has to find the balance between all the issues you have mentioned and the ones I have.
 
It sounds to me like it's time to find a new daycare. I know that if we used daycare, I would want to feel as comfortable with them as possible. It doesn't sound like you are at all.
 
Tiff - we use home day care, and we pay all year round - whether our kids are there or not. She also takes a 10 day vacation, plus a few days here and there, and we are expected to pay for them. We knew this and agreed to it in advance, and I think it is probably standard in day care. (DH thinks it is terrible, but I told him that if he didn't like it, HE could find alternate day care :lmao: ).

Denae
 
I agree you shouldn't have to pay for the weeks the kids aren't there. My kids go to an after school program and I don't have to pay when they are not going to be there.
I would also stand firm on not letting them put oil on your baby's face. I could only imagine how hard that would be to wash out of her hair when it gets in it.
If you want to move them I would think about doing it soon. Summertime is coming and I'm sure the daycares will fill up quick!
 
You need to be totally comfortable with where your children are. How can you or your DH be effective at your jobs if you're worried about them? I would start looking elsewhere for your sweeties. And I would probably do preschool for your four year old at the school the six year old attends. Especially if that's where she'll be going for kindergarten, less transition than finding a new arrangement, new preschool, then new school for kg.

I do agree with the arrangement Tybug mentioned, it would probably make everyone happier. But I completely understand the frustration that happened for you. They agreed to work with the prior arrangement, too bad they changed the rules on you.

Yuck to the baby oil! Why do they think it's necessary? Ethnic skin is different (I never even used baby oil on my fair skinned kids!), but you know what's best for your baby! If her face isn't dry, and you don't like it....I'd be irritated.

Good luck, things can be so stressful when you're trying to do what's best for your children!

I didn't think of it that way, I was thinking she would have another year with her friends that she has already made......great point.

I thought about that but because of previous lost payments, I am not comfortable not having a credit. I would rather just start out with a $0 balance for the month of May which is looking like their last month there

I kept thinking I didn't get the memo about the baby oil and my girls skin. But everyone seems to think this is bizarre.

Thanks!
 
As for taking time off for the holidays, why shouldn't the daycare folks get paid holidays and vacation just like everybody else?

We have it in our policy that we get the standard holidays off with pay and two weeks of vacation above that. The parents also can take two weeks of vacation without paying or losing their spot.

I do not have any problem with the teachers having paid holidays and vacation time. At the old daycare, the head teacher in the baby room (who was my fav) took off every summer, the whole summer and the director would go to portugual for a month every year. Also, like I said before they would close for a day after a holiday here or there. And we also could take a week off without having to pay or lose or spot. But for a daycare center to shut down totally and we still have to pay, yes, I have a problem with that. It's not a home daycare run by 1 person. Does your center shut down while you take your vacation?

If that was the policy for all centers then it would be the norm and I understand this but like I said I have several friends and co-workers who have children in daycare and they all said their centers don't do this.
 
I do not have any problem with the teachers having paid holidays and vacation time. At the old daycare, the head teacher in the baby room (who was my fav) took off every summer, the whole summer and the director would go to portugual for a month every year. Also, like I said before they would close for a day after a holiday here or there. And we also could take a week off without having to pay or lose or spot. But for a daycare center to shut down totally and we still have to pay, yes, I have a problem with that. It's not a home daycare run by 1 person. Does your center shut down while you take your vacation?

If that was the policy for all centers then it would be the norm and I understand this but like I said I have several friends and co-workers who have children in daycare and they all said their centers don't do this.

Closing down and paying for the week is the norm here.

The alternative is higher fees year round...so one way or another they will get the money they need.

Liz
 
Tiff - we use home day care, and we pay all year round - whether our kids are there or not. She also takes a 10 day vacation, plus a few days here and there, and we are expected to pay for them. We knew this and agreed to it in advance, and I think it is probably standard in day care. (DH thinks it is terrible, but I told him that if he didn't like it, HE could find alternate day care :lmao: ).

Denae


We did home daycare and that was the policy and I could understand that since it was just her but that doesn't seem to be standard among daycare centers.
 
If that was the policy for all centers then it would be the norm and I understand this but like I said I have several friends and co-workers who have children in daycare and they all said their centers don't do this.


Obviosuly not all are run the same, but I think it's quite normal for daycares (both home based and centers) to close down and expect to be paid. It can be quite the challenge to get people to cover certain holiday times, and if they have enough parents that don't mind, the best solution is to close down during those times.

Now way I can know for sure, but I would be willing to guess that the places closing down over holidays and other vacations have many cumstomers that take those same weeks off and it only makes sense to close. I've heard of centers that don't take off Dec 25 - Jan 2 and they stayed open to only care for 1/4 of the kids.

Obviosuly that isn't worth it from a financial perspective. Best for the daycare IMO is to make it clear they will be closed so nobody is caught off guard and they don't have to lose employees or money in the process.
 
In my opinion the daycare is a business, and as such, should be open the same as any other business would be during the holidays. LOTS of people have to work that week, and if the business chooses to close then it should not expect to be paid for services it cannot provide! This could cause financial hardship for some families who now have to pay a second time for alternate care.
 
In my opinion the daycare is a business, and as such, should be open the same as any other business would be during the holidays. LOTS of people have to work that week, and if the business chooses to close then it should not expect to be paid for services it cannot provide! This could cause financial hardship for some families who now have to pay a second time for alternate care.

And if a place has enough customer that feel otherwise why shouldn't they take a different approach?

I find it hard to believe that a place closing for the holidays is upsetting the majority fo their customers. It's likley the other way around.

As for being paid, it not much different than anything else in the business world. They wouldn't ask for something they didn't think would be accepted. If they have been in business for a long time, and still getting paid for the time they are closed, I'm willing to bet they have a long waiting list and their reputation is excellent.
 


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