Dave Ramsey Overspent at Disney

Me and my DH followed his plan and are no longer in debt. We keep one credit card for an emergency. I have been to WDW one time. I can't afford to go. I am content right where I am. I don't need much in my life that is material. I am grateful for the things I have that are needed.

I would tell people not to go into debt for anything, not even a vacation. It simply is not worth it. I would rather save for a nice vacation even if it took a few years to save for it.

agreed. i have always paid for a vacation in full and budgeted my spending money while there. i went a year and a half without a vacation so i could pay off extra on my loans and i really didn't regret it. i had a car loan for 6 months and hated it. i have been fine with two used cars, i don't know how people live with car loans, mortgages, student loans, and credit card debts hanging above them.

that being said i found i spend LESS at disney. we have gone with free dining and once onsite spend very little. on other vacations every little thing adds up and is always more than i thought.

i think dave ramsey is just good at bundling the advice in a way others can understand. he is dramatic, but anyone selling a bit of snake oil may be;)
 
i think dave ramsey is just good at bundling the advice in a way others can understand. he is dramatic, but anyone selling a bit of snake oil may be;)

Sometimes we need the snake oil salesmen when the water supply is murky and everyone is sick (in debt).
 
OMG!! ICF, you hit the nail on the head. I've always thought it was me because I read one of his books and the first thing I thought was "I just paid 29.99 to be told the same exact stuff my grandmama use to say for free".

LOL

Do you recognize how lucky you are to have a grandmother who:

had that knowledge and
shared that knowledge with you when you were of an age to understand it and hear it and take it to heart?

Seriously, do you?

My husband's grandfather was too busy gambling his family's money away, while FIL (born in '27) sold papers on the street for cents a day (literally cents per DAY, not per paper), to have time to think of things like that.

My FIL was too busy following in his father's footsteps, lying to everyone about money, taking money from his family to pay for other women, and stealing money from his wife's whole life insurance, to think about pretending to the family that he knew anything about money. Oh and let's not forget when he did something hinky with his shipping business, possibly defrauded two countries from taxes, and when the foreign company came after him, he gave them their PAID-FOR home, without ever contacting his business insurance lawyers.

I have no idea what my grandfather might have said, but I found out recently he pretty much stopped talking to the family once his oldest daughter died. So he probably said nothing. Died before I was born. His daughters married lowlife-type guys (but charming!); his son made a nice living but pays alimony for 3 or 4 exes. The daughters never had time to THINK about things like that; too busy working their rears off to try to feed their children, to waste time thinking about what is so "commonsense" and traditional to some.

Those of you with family like that are lucky.

I had to read Ramsey to get it. I got his books from the library; don't know why anyone would pay money for it, but maybe those of us in trouble NEED the library? Ramsey helped us a great deal. And it never once felt like commonsense, and it sounded NOTHING like what our grandparents taught us.


You can listen to his broadcast from yesterday.....

Dave goes on to illustrate his point about overspending with plastic by citing a visit to Disney several years ago and using his KTTW to pay for $8 ice creams without blinking (around 1:17:40).

Thanks for the actual show!

And for the true story that Ramsey's story was from several years ago, and was simply about spending without thinking.

Of course, was he truly NOT going to get those items? Or was he just not thinking about it right then?


Some how on these boards if one does not go to disney life as we know it would end.
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A young couple now is not going to want a 1100 square foot home because now, the normal home for a starter home is 2200 square feet and has a gourmet kitchen.

I think we're reading different boards, or at least threads.

"Starter home"? Where did THAT concept come from? As someone else said, the concept of a starter home is involved in the concept you're not liking.

In fact the concept of a starter home, that would be sold and you would make money on it to then by a bigger home, is part of what I feel the problem is. The concept of EXPECTING a profit, a financial profit not a profit in memories or USE of the home, upon the sale of a home is a huge issue in my opinion. Sooner we got rid of that expectation, the better. Put some thought into what we've gotten from the home, not just what MONEY we put into it.


Do you really think couples in the 1960s thought of this major investment, costing multiple times their annual salary, to be the place to start? Most people bought the house they intended to live in for the rest of their lives, at least all the people I knew.

I know *one* family like that, an aunt. Same home they bought when in their early 20s. (their children grew up and bought mini-mansions) And that's it. Everyone else I know who is old enough to have bought a house a long time ago bought one house, then a bigger one.

Heck, my grandfather bought my grandmother her engagement ring, then later on upgraded THAT (by adding diamonds to it). And they, as far as I can tell, weren't stupid with their money, but they certainly weren't just hoarding money while sitting in a tiny home not buying any luxuries. (grandma born in '13, grandfather born...before that?)


I'm telling you the 40s, 50s, and 60s wasn't that great. There was a lot of intolerance back then...

That's definitely what I've heard from my older family and friends!



This makes no sense.

If Dave only uses cash how did this occur? Could he by LYING! :rotfl2:

If you put "cash" on the account then Disney won't let you spend more money then you put on the account.

There was a pretty quick reply with the real info (illustration of ignoring what you're actually spending when using KTTW card instead of cash), not just the subject line of this post.



...and to make people aware of how easier, even fun, it will be to spend money as this gets rolled out to everyone.

But the later post showed that this was about KTTW cards, not the RFID cards. And the charging on an RFID card isn't any easier than with KTTW, nor is it going to be more prevalent. If you put charging on a KTTW now, you'll likely do it with the magicband. If you didn't do it before you probably won't in the future.

In fact, with the new RFID stuff, because there's a PIN, it could be considered *harder* to charge to the room than it has been in the past.
 
Sometimes we need the snake oil salesmen when the water supply is murky and everyone is sick (in debt).

not everyone is "sick".....again, common sense. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. It's really not that difficult. My parents told me that when I was 5 years old. It made sense then and makes sense 35 years later.

And....if you have some more of that common sense, CC's are awesome. No fee CC's have gotten me thousands (probably tens of thousands) of $$'s in rewards for Disney / Hotels / Airfare without any costs to me. Pay them off each month and watch the rewards add up.

As others have said earlier in this thread....too many people have to have it all right now. They have to keep up with family and friends instead of saving or doing without for awhile.

Here is ICF's free financial advice

If you can't afford something don't buy it. Save up until you can afford it. Once you can afford -- charge it on your no fee rewards CC's and then pay off as soon as the bill comes. Rinse and Repeat each month.
 

Do you recognize how lucky you are to have a grandmother who:

had that knowledge and
shared that knowledge with you when you were of an age to understand it and hear it and take it to heart?

Seriously, do you?

My husband's grandfather was too busy gambling his family's money away, while FIL (born in '27) sold papers on the street for cents a day (literally cents per DAY, not per paper), to have time to think of things like that.

My FIL was too busy following in his father's footsteps, lying to everyone about money, taking money from his family to pay for other women, and stealing money from his wife's whole life insurance, to think about pretending to the family that he knew anything about money. Oh and let's not forget when he did something hinky with his shipping business, possibly defrauded two countries from taxes, and when the foreign company came after him, he gave them their PAID-FOR home, without ever contacting his business insurance lawyers.
I had to read Ramsey to get it. I got his books from the library; don't know why anyone would pay money for it, but maybe those of us in trouble NEED the library? Ramsey helped us a great deal. And it never once felt like commonsense, and it sounded NOTHING like what our grandparents taught us.




Thanks for the actual show!

And for the true story that Ramsey's story was from several years ago, and was simply about spending without thinking.

Of course, was he truly NOT going to get those items? Or was he just not thinking about it right then?




I think we're reading different boards, or at least threads.

"Starter home"? Where did THAT concept come from? As someone else said, the concept of a starter home is involved in the concept you're not liking.

In fact the concept of a starter home, that would be sold and you would make money on it to then by a bigger home, is part of what I feel the problem is. The concept of EXPECTING a profit, a financial profit not a profit in memories or USE of the home, upon the sale of a home is a huge issue in my opinion. Sooner we got rid of that expectation, the better. Put some thought into what we've gotten from the home, not just what MONEY we put into it.
I know *one* family like that, an aunt. Same home they bought when in their early 20s. (their children grew up and bought mini-mansions) And that's it. Everyone else I know who is old enough to have bought a house a long time ago bought one house, then a bigger one.

Heck, my grandfather bought my grandmother her engagement ring, then later on upgraded THAT (by adding diamonds to it). And they, as far as I can tell, weren't stupid with their money, but they certainly weren't just hoarding money while sitting in a tiny home not buying any luxuries. (grandma born in '13, grandfather born...before that?)




That's definitely what I've heard from my older family and friends!





There was a pretty quick reply with the real info (illustration of ignoring what you're actually spending when using KTTW card instead of cash), not just the subject line of this post.

. If you didn't do it before you probably won't in the future.

In fact, with the new RFID stuff, because there's a PIN, it could be considered *harder* to charge to the room than it has been in the past.

1) Yes, I realize I am lucky to come from a loving family. Not sure what difference that makes. I'm lucky that my parents also instilled in me a strong work ethic, ability to set goals and work toward those goals and an appreciation of nice things. I'm not implying that one's background does not influence how one views and handles money. evidently your inlaws were crappy with money. OK? All I was saying is I find Daves advice rather simplistic, and some thing I knew already. which is why I don't follow him. :confused3

Now we also strive to teach my sons some financial smarts but I also know that my son's are use to a certain lifestyle and you can call them spoiled, entitled or whatever but with their upbringing a 1100 square foot house would not be what they expect nor want.

2) you never heard of a "starter" home? Ok, when I got married some 27 years ago, couples purchased their first house which was usually very small and since many couples were young with no children and just starting out with careers the price was usually right. then after a few years, children come, income grew and house value went up, you sold your starter home and move onto some thing bigger.

and yes I expect a profit. why the heck would I invest in stocks if I didn't want to make a profit? why would my husband start a business if we didn't expect a profit. In your world is making money bad? so yes, when I purchase real estate I expect a profit. now I do my home work and I fully understand that I may lose money but I research my picks in my 401K, I research my picks in my portfolio and when I purchase rental property I researched that.

unless I'm totally misunderstanding. I really don't know people who invest hoping to lose money. I don't know people who purchase houses and want them to lose money. Now I've got smart friends so they don't expect double digit growth in 2 years & even with the housing bubble I've seen a modest growth in the value of my house. I also was very lucky in that I did not take the equity out of my house and I work in an industry where I have seen my salary keep pace with inflation but even with the market crash of 08-09 my investments and house have rebounded.

So now when I sell my house in a few years when I retire, I'll still research and expect my retirement house to grow in value.

next time your at the library pick up some books Ken Fisher, he has many, right now I'm reading "plan your prosperity".
 
Also, if we all got paid in cash on Friday and right outside the company gate was an IRS man demanding we hand him 35 or 40% of it, this nation would see an uprising like you couldn't imagine.

I doubt that, since when we did get paychecks, the tax rates were higher.
 
He never said he only uses cash. He just doesn't use credit. I would need to see proof that Disney doesn't accept debit to believe he's lying.

Say what you will but what he teaches works for me and so many other families. As PP's have said, he teaches what two generations ago was accepted as the standard but has disappeared from common knowledge. It's not common sense like something you are born with. Many of us were raised to buy something if we want it, and to charge it if we can't afford it. Those of you who were raised knowing everything Dave teaches, then you aren't superior, just lucky/blessed.

There are two classes of Dave-haters I see. Those who are snobby because they already know all that stuff. And those who are too afraid of getting on a budget and having to say no to yourself sometimes. Anyone else loves him or is indifferent.

I am in the third class... Know a lot of "behind the scenes" stuff. He does LIE through his teeth, his "vetting" is "did my check clear" and his "concern" is an act!

And Dave's not big on debit cards for this exact reason. Remember he wants you to carry all your money around in envelopes! (Of course you can't use just ANY envelope, but his special envelopes which are available for an extra fee! :rotfl2:)
 
Everything I have learned about Dave Ramsey, I learned here. The posts about him have slowed down a lot the past couple of years. It is not a hate but more of an annoyance.

My take on Dave Ramsey is like that of a diet fad. You know one of those really expensive ones that requires you to buy something that costs $$$. The person spends so much money and time with the new fad, they start to lose weight and swear by it. They swear off things that are perfectly fine in moderation, like carbs or sugar. (in the case of Dave Ramsey it would be credit cards, etc). When all along it was because they spent so much money and time on it, they are watching everything they eat. They are suddenly going to the parks for walks at night and parking far away from buildings. All in all they claim it was the "miracle cure" when in reality it was them truly paying attention to their health. It was after all just the "common sense" that actually was helping them lose the weight. Yet In the mind of the person losing the weight it was the diet fad that was working.

The same seems to be of Dave Ramsey some people just need someone else to give them that motivation. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is when these people who swear by this "new miracle cure" stuff it down other peoples throat. The people who were already watching what they were eating and parking far from buildings. It is natural for someone to be excited about something that is working for them, just annoying to those who don't need or want the advice they are getting. It is particularly frustrating when it is just good old fashioned "common sense" that others seem to be paying for.

ETA- In regards to the OP, I am surprised that a financial "guru" would not see the wrist band anything more than what it is, a Credit Card.
 
ETA- In regards to the OP, I am surprised that a financial "guru" would not see the wrist band anything more than what it is, a Credit Card.

The thing is, he wasn't even talking about the wrist band. The trip was years ago and he was simply talking about using his room key for charging. Which makes it even weirder.
 
I couldn't find a link to a quote or anything, but on the radio Dave Ramsey was saying how the rfid card made it so easy to splurge without even noticing. Dave always talks about the power of cash and using a credit or even debit card is not as painful as purchasing something with physical cash. Yet they even tricked him into thinking spending money is fun. It's so easy to buy ice cream here, churro there. Then he was surprised when his bill came at the end of the trip.

Nothing against Disney or treats. Just make sure that YOU know what YOU want to spend on YOUR vacation. Have fun but make sure to give yourself breathing room so you don't regret your fun. Make sure that Mickey ice cream doesn't affect your dinner at home.

I can't wait until this rfid thing is fully rolled out for all guests though. I'll just have to try extra hard to remember that this "magic" is actually a bank transfer. ;)

Well put. ;0)
 
Everything I have learned about Dave Ramsey, I learned here. The posts about him have slowed down a lot the past couple of years. It is not a hate but more of an annoyance.

My take on Dave Ramsey is like that of a diet fad. You know one of those really expensive ones that requires you to buy something that costs $$$. The person spends so much money and time with the new fad, they start to lose weight and swear by it. They swear off things that are perfectly fine in moderation, like carbs or sugar. (in the case of Dave Ramsey it would be credit cards, etc). When all along it was because they spent so much money and time on it, they are watching everything they eat. They are suddenly going to the parks for walks at night and parking far away from buildings. All in all they claim it was the "miracle cure" when in reality it was them truly paying attention to their health. It was after all just the "common sense" that actually was helping them lose the weight. Yet In the mind of the person losing the weight it was the diet fad that was working.

The same seems to be of Dave Ramsey some people just need someone else to give them that motivation. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is when these people who swear by this "new miracle cure" stuff it down other peoples throat. The people who were already watching what they were eating and parking far from buildings. It is natural for someone to be excited about something that is working for them, just annoying to those who don't need or want the advice they are getting. It is particularly frustrating when it is just good old fashioned "common sense" that others seem to be paying for.

ETA- In regards to the OP, I am surprised that a financial "guru" would not see the wrist band anything more than what it is, a Credit Card.

DH and I just finished Dave Ramsey's class and it truly changed our life. Was it because of Dave Ramsey himself, no way! It's because we had never been taught anything about finances--ever! We needed a finance/budget class--and this was the only one around. This was a class that sat us down and walked us through the debt snowball, how to make a zero based budget, etc. Both of our parents were (and still are) horrible with money. DH's has gone on for generations--they have lived in an impoverished city their entire lives and have never been taught the "common sense" of finances--he was a first generation college student that thankfully was blessed with a full ride scholarship, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to go. His family (I'm talking generations--not just his parents) robbed Peter to pay Paul. My grandparents are good with money but somehow it skipped my parents.:confused3 I have had more discussions with parents/grandparents about money in the past 3 months than I have in my entire life. Money issues are not topics of conversation in my family.

Budgeting/finance needs to be taught in school. I have no idea why it isn't a course that is required. It is much more realistic that teenagers will need that information, rather than the trig/calculus class I took as a senior and haven't used since the day I walked out of high school, just a few years ago...ahem...;)

Proud to say that because of this class, DH and I are changing our family tree.:banana: Our children are already included in our financial discussions (age appropriate of course) and learning about saving/spending/giving/investing--something I was never taught and know many of my friends/co-workers weren't either. If everyone was taught this, there wouldn't even be a need for this class, but yet every single time its given at my church, it's full. What seems common sense to me NOW, was not common sense to me then.

I don't necessarily care if it's Dave Ramsey or Suze Orman or who it is--but I do believe "common sense" financial classes should be taught to our children. Like I said, I don't care whose methodology is followed, there are things about DR that I don't agree with, but our culture really needs some finance classes.
 
Everything I have learned about Dave Ramsey, I learned here. The posts about him have slowed down a lot the past couple of years. It is not a hate but more of an annoyance.

My take on Dave Ramsey is like that of a diet fad. You know one of those really expensive ones that requires you to buy something that costs $$$. The person spends so much money and time with the new fad, they start to lose weight and swear by it. They swear off things that are perfectly fine in moderation, like carbs or sugar. (in the case of Dave Ramsey it would be credit cards, etc). When all along it was because they spent so much money and time on it, they are watching everything they eat. They are suddenly going to the parks for walks at night and parking far away from buildings. All in all they claim it was the "miracle cure" when in reality it was them truly paying attention to their health. It was after all just the "common sense" that actually was helping them lose the weight. Yet In the mind of the person losing the weight it was the diet fad that was working.

The same seems to be of Dave Ramsey some people just need someone else to give them that motivation. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is when these people who swear by this "new miracle cure" stuff it down other peoples throat. The people who were already watching what they were eating and parking far from buildings. It is natural for someone to be excited about something that is working for them, just annoying to those who don't need or want the advice they are getting. It is particularly frustrating when it is just good old fashioned "common sense" that others seem to be paying for.

ETA- In regards to the OP, I am surprised that a financial "guru" would not see the wrist band anything more than what it is, a Credit Card.

Not shoving down others' throats, at least I don't. I suggest him to others who are fat, overeating, not exercising (to continue your metaphore). To the financially fit, I say good job. I never claim it's a miracle cure. I've seen lives changed while hosting these classes, and I have an emergency fund, am going to WDW finally, and have zero debt. If you look at my family and in-laws, you'll know it wasn't easy for me to get here. I know people that make twice what I do and can't make ends meet, just because they are irresponsible. Dave never claims that he thought this stuff up. He's always saying that our grandparents understood it as fact, but it disappeared from public knowledge nowadays.

Once you know it and practice it, it seems like common sense, but if you are taught instant gratification, entitlement, charge everything, then it's not common. Dave also says that Financial Peace University is like Weight Watchers. You could try to count calories/points on your own, but it's the going to the meetings and having to weigh-in that's encouraging and initiates true change. When you go to the classes and have someone encourage you to make a budget, you do by the end of the class, even if it's not the week you were supposed to. When people try to do it on their own, they usually get frustrated and it drags on for months, often never doing it and never getting out of the situation they are in.

For people who aren't in any "situation" they need to desperately get out of, then he's not really talking to them anyway. If someone is debt-free and has a plan for retirement and emergencies (making mortgage if someone breaks a leg, or paying bills when the car breaks down), then he doesn't have anything to sell them, because they already have it under control. I think what you call common sense should be common knowledge, but it's not. I'm not going to scoff and say someone lacks common sense because they bought a new car when the one they are still paying off the one breaks down because they would rather go to Vegas instead of do routine maintenance on it. It's wrong and there are other terms for it, but they need someone to teach them and hold them to it.
 
Budgeting/finance needs to be taught in school. I have no idea why it isn't a course that is required. It is much more realistic that teenagers will need that information, rather than the trig/calculus class I took as a senior and haven't used since the day I walked out of high school, just a few years ago...ahem...;)

I don't necessarily care if it's Dave Ramsey or Suze Orman or who it is--but I do believe "common sense" financial classes should be taught to our children. Like I said, I don't care whose methodology is followed, there are things about DR that I don't agree with, but our culture really needs some finance classes.

Some schools do have finance classes. DS took a personal and family finance class last year.

There is finance information out there for the general population. They just have to look for it and the vast majority of people don't want to do the research. There are free Kindle books on subject. The books are in the library. It is there just waiting to be used. It all boils down to personal responsibility.

My parents were horrible with money. They never saved a dime. In college, I got my first credit card. I racked that puppy to the limit. :scared1: I didn't know any better. My parents didn't teach me better. I learned a very good lesson at 18. And I took it to heart. Even many years later, I am still teaching myself because I think we can do better than we are.
 
This isn't a simple, one-answer question. Multiple items play into it:

1. Advertising is over-the-top and does encourage people to buy when they should not.
2. Self-control or self-discipline is something that many people lack.
3. Most people, when buying on credit, do tend to spend more than if they were paying cash.
 
Even with the "magic" rfid cards I don't plan on using it, just like I never charged things to my room. I take a set amount of money as spending money and once its gone its gone. It's really not THAT HARD.
As for Dave Ramsey people listened to him for some it worked, for some it did't. Money management is something that some people just can't for some reason seem to do, for others it's common sense. Where as DH and I luckily figured it out at a young age we found a system that works for US and we live comfortably with in our means. People have forever had budget issue and will continue to.
 
Interesting how we have been sucked into using credit cards to earn "rewards". The credit card companies found a way to lure us in with said "rewards" and so people have started using credit more with the result being more people in debt. We do not carry credit card balances and have worked hard to limit all debt.
 
Interesting how we have been sucked into using credit cards to earn "rewards". The credit card companies found a way to lure us in with said "rewards" and so people have started using credit more with the result being more people in debt. We do not carry credit card balances and have worked hard to limit all debt.

True, and on the flip side, consumers have developed "what's in it for me?" mentality. These days, would anyone want a cc that has an annual fee and offered nothing in return? I sure wouldn't.
For everything from hotels, airlines, rental car companies, etc, all offer rewards for being a loyal, returning customer. I don't recall any of these perks existing back in the 80s when I turned 18.
WDW doesn't (except maybe bounceback) because they are in a unique position but DCL does big time. We get multiple gifts in our cabin for being a repeat cruiser and these increase with each "tier" that is reached based on the # of cruises you've sailed.
Being a platinum Castaway Club member gets us:
1. a DCL-branded backpack with a keychain, & Mickey-shaped snacks
2. another gift pack of DCL stationery, luggage straps & leather passport case
3. a choice of truffles, fruit platter, or something else delivered to our cabin mid-cruise.
4. free meal for 2 at Palo, the adults-only, optional restaurant that is usually $20pp.
5. special reception with the captain & higher officers with free drinks and an extremely short line for pics with Captain Mickey.
Also if we rebook while onboard, a future cruise will be 10% off plus a $200/cabin onboard credit (used to be $350 for platinum). This is in addition to the $200/cabin our TA offers just as a thank you for booking with her.
For our Alaskan cruise last summer, these credits totaled $1100 for our 2 cabins plus a discount of around $700.

There's probably more that I can't think of off the top of my head. All of this stuff costs $ thus increasing costs for everyone but DCL has done this in response to competition from other cruise lines that offer similar perks.
(Personally I wouldn't mind if they skipped all the Made in China stuff & just give us a more practical "laundry credit".) jmho.:goodvibes
 
Interesting how we have been sucked into using credit cards to earn "rewards". The credit card companies found a way to lure us in with said "rewards" and so people have started using credit more with the result being more people in debt. We do not carry credit card balances and have worked hard to limit all debt.

Having a credit card and using it for "rewards" does not necessarily mean you incur debt. Just pay off the balance each month!
 












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