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[JimmyV]

I request an actual documented statistic for your claim. Otherwise, your point stands on quicksand.

The fact that you chose not to agree with something does not mean that the point stands on quicksand. If you believe that my statement is untrue, then please tell us the actual truth, with actual documented statistics for your claim. See? It works both ways.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The fact that you chose not to agree with something does not mean that the point stands on quicksand. If you believe that my statement is untrue, then please tell us the actual truth, with actual documented statistics for your claim. See? It works both ways.

You claim an actual quantity (MOST guests) as fact. You make the statement, it is your duty to back it up. So no, it doesn't work both ways. But nice try.

I had already refuted your claim with TA (because you made a claim regarding how those negatives would impact ratings). But you don't like that it doesn't agree with you. That doesn't validate your claims.

So--what's your source?

 

[JimmyV]

You claim an actual quantity (MOST guests) as fact.

I have no idea what you are now ranting about. I can't find where I said "MOST guests". You can try to joust at statements that many others have "Liked" and found to be logical and self-explanatory. I choose not to joust back. If you want to read that as "surrender", then go ahead.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have no idea what you are now ranting about. I can't find where I said "MOST guests". You can try to joust at statements that many others have "Liked" and found to be logical and self-explanatory. I choose not to joust back. If you want to read that as "surrender", then go ahead.

Sorry--that is what I inferred by your statements made as fact.
What you said was "as hard as it may be for Dissers to believe" the negatives had a "profound impact" and then you continued on later with "opinions" expressed in a factual manner which folks like because I assume they like to agree with you even if there is no evidence to back it up.

You can call it what you like--surrender or whatever. But bolded below is your statement with no fact to back it up. So I requested that. And your response was for me to look it up and prove you were incorrect. You are right. It was self-explanatory.

When did "more popular with guests" equate to "better"? Which restaurant is "more popular with guests"...Cosmic Rays, or Victoria & Albert's? Which brand of car is better...Kia or Ferrari? Which ride is better....Winnie the Pooh, or Revenge of the Mummy? In every instance, the former is more popular than the latter. But better??


Exactly! This was what I was driving at back on page 2. WDW in general, and the MK in particular, is the least self-selective park of any of these that have been rated. We have a Six Flags within an hour of us. I never go. My daughter goes often. Before she could drive, she would get rides with friends, or I would drive one way, and some other parent would do the pick-up. They enjoy it. I never step foot in it. I am not opposed to the concept. But the last time that I went, it was so god-awful crowded that I simply didn't have a good time, and the food I was served went straight into the trash. Were I to rate that on TA, it would be a 1 or 2 star experience. But because I don't go, I don't rate it. WDW on the other hand, has plenty of like-minded people who are walking around, but they are there because it is a right of passage to take one's family there. As hard as it is for Dis'ers to believe, there are people out there who simply do not enjoy this style of vacation. But these people are far, far more likely to go to WDW than they are to go to Universal or Dollywood. So they go to the former and rate it poorly, and skip the latter and don't rate them at all. This trend has a profound impact on ratings. All you need to do is look at threads on this Board that start out: "Help. My Spouse Hates WDW". There are plenty of such posts out there. If said spouse also happens to be a habitual TA rater, then look out!

 

[JimmyV]

The reasoning is right in front of you. Dis'ers love WDW more than the general population at large. Can I prove that empirically? No. Do I believe it to be true? Yes. So when someone points out that there are people who really, truly do not love WDW, people here get shocked at that. How could that be? It's the best place in the universe. Following up on that, if one were to compare the percentage of people who walk through the gates of WDW who do not enjoy amusement parks to the percentage of people who walk through the gates of Universal who do not love amusement parks, you will find that the former percentage is larger. Can I prove it? No. But do you really, in your heart of hearts doubt that it is true? Of course you don't. You just like to pick nits. Are any of these numbers huge? No. The favorability rating for the #1 park in the TA survey was 4.617. For the MK it was 4.522. It doesn't take much to drive the number down by such a small percentage. But the fact that there are more parents and/or teens at WDW who would rather not be there than there are like-minded people at Universal is neither startling nor controversial. But no. I have not stood around with an i-Pad trying to get numbers to back up what is intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The reasoning is right in front of you. Dis'ers love WDW more than the general population at large. Can I prove that empirically? No. Do I believe it to be true? Yes. So when someone points out that there are people who really, truly do not love WDW, people here get shocked at that. How could that be? It's the best place in the universe. Following up on that, if one were to compare the percentage of people who walk through the gates of WDW who do not enjoy amusement parks to the percentage of people who walk through the gates of Universal who do not love amusement parks, you will find that the former percentage is larger. Can I prove it? No. But do you really, in your heart of hearts doubt that it is true? Of course you don't. You just like to pick nits. Are any of these numbers huge? No. The favorability rating for the #1 park in the TA survey was 4.617. For the MK it was 4.522. It doesn't take much to drive the number down by such a small percentage. But the fact that there are more parents and/or teens at WDW who would rather not be there than there are like-minded people at Universal is neither startling nor controversial. But no. I have not stood around with an i-Pad trying to get numbers to back up what is intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

No body is shocked. You made a quantifying statement. It should be self explanatory why it should not be accepted at face value.

And this is not picking nits. An ironic choice of words, for sure.

 

[LOL!]

I sure am glad I didn't post the results of a beauty pageant.......

 

[CTDisneyfan816]

Of course MK should be 1. But I disagree with some folks characterization of I of A. Love Marvel and Potter. Also love Jurassic Park and Bluto's River Barge blows Kali River Rapids away and it isn't even close. I personably look at both Universal parks as one park. I love Disney also and MK is the one Park I would go to if I could only choose one

 

[ArwenMarie]

Of course MK should be 1. But I disagree with some folks characterization of I of A. Love Marvel and Potter. Also love Jurassic Park and Bluto's River Barge blows Kali River Rapids away and it isn't even close. I personably look at both Universal parks as one park. I love Disney also and MK is the one Park I would go to if I could only choose one

I agree. I can see not liking the theming in IoA, but I can't see how it's not themed. As far as theme parks go, it's also beautifully designed the way it is around the water with all of the little lookout areas.

 

[DoingDisney]

The reasoning is right in front of you. Dis'ers love WDW more than the general population at large. Can I prove that empirically? No. Do I believe it to be true? Yes. So when someone points out that there are people who really, truly do not love WDW, people here get shocked at that. How could that be? It's the best place in the universe. Following up on that, if one were to compare the percentage of people who walk through the gates of WDW who do not enjoy amusement parks to the percentage of people who walk through the gates of Universal who do not love amusement parks, you will find that the former percentage is larger. Can I prove it? No. But do you really, in your heart of hearts doubt that it is true? Of course you don't. You just like to pick nits. Are any of these numbers huge? No. The favorability rating for the #1 park in the TA survey was 4.617. For the MK it was 4.522. It doesn't take much to drive the number down by such a small percentage. But the fact that there are more parents and/or teens at WDW who would rather not be there than there are like-minded people at Universal is neither startling nor controversial. But no. I have not stood around with an i-Pad trying to get numbers to back up what is intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

There is no logical argument against your reasoning. None.

 

[Planogirl]

There is no logical argument against your reasoning. None.

I agree. Plus it even provides a reasonable explanation for why MK might be number 3 instead of higher.

Until I see any other explanation, I'm going with JimmyV's. Of course, I'd put both Universal Florida and Disneyland higher than MK but that's just me and I don't pretend to like things in the same way as the majority.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

People voting on the internet favor different things than people voting with their wallet? How could this be?

 

[DoingDisney]

People voting on the internet favor different things than people voting with their wallet? How could this be?

How people "vote" with their Wallets isn't representative of what is necessarily "better" either, for lots of reasons.

People might pay for something and realize it didn't live up to expectations, as long as people continue to do so, it looks like people are enjoying the thing by voting with wallets.

Capacity is a huge issue as well. Two establishments side by side, on holds 100 people, the other 1000. On any given night both are full. According to "voting with wallets" clearly the place with 1000 capacity is "better" ... but in reality the place with 100 capacity is the best establishment on the planet.

I could go on, really at length here, but the point is made I think.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

How people "vote" with their Wallets isn't representative of what is necessarily "better" either, for lots of reasons.

People might pay for something and realize it didn't live up to expectations, as long as people continue to do so, it looks like people are enjoying the thing by voting with wallets.

Capacity is a huge issue as well. Two establishments side by side, on holds 100 people, the other 1000. On any given night both are full. According to "voting with wallets" clearly the place with 1000 capacity is "better" ... but in reality the place with 100 capacity is the best establishment on the planet.

I could go on, really at length here, but the point is made I think.

Yes, people make mistakes with their wallet, but that works both ways in fairly equal proportions. So more guests who visit MK would be unhappy, but statistically, equal percentages would be unhappy after a day at IoA.

As for capacity explaining the difference - neither MK nor IoA reach capacity often enough in the year for that to be considered a factor either.

Trust me - Disney does not care about polls like this. They care about people willing to pay to enter their parks. A lot more people pay to enter MK than IoA. That is the only measure of success in this industry.

 

[Planogirl]

How people "vote" with their Wallets isn't representative of what is necessarily "better" either, for lots of reasons.

People might pay for something and realize it didn't live up to expectations, as long as people continue to do so, it looks like people are enjoying the thing by voting with wallets.

Capacity is a huge issue as well. Two establishments side by side, on holds 100 people, the other 1000. On any given night both are full. According to "voting with wallets" clearly the place with 1000 capacity is "better" ... but in reality the place with 100 capacity is the best establishment on the planet.

I could go on, really at length here, but the point is made I think.

(I think that my point is being lost so I'm deleting)

 

[BuckeyeBama]

If wallets mattered then McDonald's would still be the best restaurant and Wal-Mart would be the best store. Point taken.

Yes, because a $5 meal in 2 minutes = a $$$ meal in a sit down restaurant. Come on - you are better than that.

 

[Planogirl]

Yes, because a $5 meal in 2 minutes = a $$$ meal in a sit down restaurant. Come on - you are better than that.

You do realize that McDonald's makes more money than any other restaurant? Isn't that your point? Doesn't MK make more money than any other park therefore they must be better?

Maybe I misunderstood.

 

[LOL!]

Trust me - Disney does not care about polls like this..

I can see how that could be a problem.

 

[bcrook]

I was told several times at Disney restaurants last week and at DLR that tripadvisor positive comments help from a management side.

I don't quite understand how unless I used names? So at Portobello in DTD I did actually praise my server on Tripadvisor by name.

I did not berate my poor La Hacienda server though, terrible review but left out names.

I know Hilton uses tripadvisor reviews in evaluating and praising their workers.

Disney does probably care about the trends.

Do you think Disney would use the trip advisor awards in their promotional material if they swept the awards? Or celebrate at corporate? I would bet yes.

 

[bcrook]

Best Family Hotels. Tripadvisor Awards. Disney has quite a few on this top 25 list. Kidani didn't make the list this year but several other WDW places did. I wouldn't have guessed the highest ranking place.