Agreed! I think the article is great and just another instance of someone adding to the possibility of it being true, which would be a nice rejuvenation to HS.
especially because the source is robert niles...pretty good source
Agreed! I think the article is great and just another instance of someone adding to the possibility of it being true, which would be a nice rejuvenation to HS.
phorsenuf said:Just did. I think some apologies may be in oder for the OP.
~I don't know, but this "official" and "confirmed" thing has gone overboard. And, I noticed that no other forum here does this. This board used to be fun and rampant with discussion and speculation, now it's buckling under this structured rigidity that has no place in cordial discussion, it's become incredibly juvenile and pedantic. It's like we're in grade school or something, even that's an insult to the grade schools. A poster was kind enough to post a source, and now we're questioning the source. I think the news is awesome, even if it doesn't materialize. Come on guys, lighten up.
One thought I had...if Kalogridis does get the money for this...I wonder what happens to Avatarland? Does it still go forward? Get scaled back? Hmm...since Disney hasn't actually given much details, they could scale back without too much backlash...
I've been on record as being one of the ones that loves that idea of Pandora at the parks, I think it will be freaking amazing, but if Disney only approves 2 of the "rumored" projects, the first one I would cut would be Avatar.
Carsland is proving to be a major success right now, and we all know that Star Wars will stand the test of time and is as much as a sure thing as movie franchises come. Star Wars would be one of the best things that has happened at WDW in a long long time.
We've only seen it twice, both times were the middle of the summer and both times it was a little over half full.
I enjoyed it the first time, but not as much the second, I chalk it up as a one time thing. I can see why people like it, but I wouldn't mind it being replaced with something else.
Note: I read elsewhere that the immediate proposal is add the Cantina as a restaurant and some more theming elements. Hope Disney has a lot more planned than that!
I know I would love Star Wars land, my kids would love Star Wars land. If other people will "skip the park" then that just makes room for the more people who would want to see more Star Wars.
Disney doesn't do many things wrong. If somebody doesn't want to see a Star Wars land or an Avatar land thent hey should move on and allow other people to enjoy. I'm not a huge Avatar fan but I'm sure it will be a lot of fun and might even change my outlook on the film after see what Disney can do with it.
Bottom line is regardless of what they do Disney will put the most effort into it and make it enjoyable for everybody in my home.
While I'm not saying it is "confirmed", you don't necessarily need a press release to know if changes are coming and what those changes might be. Case in point, there were many rumors and "confirmations" that Universal was building a second phase of HPW at Universal Studios looooong before their recent "press release" and even before they broke ground on construction. As a matter of fact, rumors (substantiated with pretty good facts/evidence) started about the second phase of HPW in late 2011.
Most of the original rumors about HPW2 for Universal were sourced from cast members so while it isn't always the best source for reliable information it doesn't mean that just because it came from a CM means it is mumbo jumbo.
Was in Disneyland in April and was talking to a few CM who said they heard rumblings of CarsLand opening there.. To me this would be great... I think the whole area in CarsLand is fantastic...
~Good post. But, overall I believe it's a minority. A very vocal but vulnerable and fickle minority, one that will think nothing of changing their mind at the drop of a hat. I believe if Disney builds this, "they" will come. Plus, there are two more movies in the works. And, these are HUGE productions -- Cameron will be filming the sequels at 60 FPS. Currently, most theaters don't even have the equipment and tech required to show the film. Cameron has even assembled a group to help accommodate theaters in acquiring the equipment needed to show the film properly. In contrast, Peter Jackson's Hobbit was filmed in 48 FPS and most of the theaters did not have the right projectors to show the film in that format! Soarin' is also filmed in 48 FPS. I expect there to be a lot of hype and press surrounding these films, and this will result in more interest for Avatarland.Let me amend what I said...
In my observance, of those expressing an opinion over the announcement and concept of Avatarland at Animal Kingdom, a majority appear to dislike the idea. And I'm not talking about just on the DIS either, but on various other boards, etc. And as you say, that still might be a small fraction of the population as a whole - but that entire population is not visible.
How many people like Avatar itself, or Disney as a corporation, on Facebook isn't directly relevant to the discussion. I actually know some fans of Avatar who themselves are very cautious about the sequels.
Avatar could be awesome. I'm not saying it won't be. I'm personally kind of on the fence regarding the concept. I just don't know if it is a great property to base a major section of a park on, especially when Disney has it's own properties that they seems to be afraid to base stuff on despite their success.
~Exactly! Nothing is really guaranteed -- we've already witnessed how Disney abandoned projects in the past. I just don't understand the need to get worked up over the word "official" or "confirmed".No other forum on here allows rumors, or tries to combine it with news.
Also, as has been mentioned before, when this forum was moved up into the Planning Forums, it received a LOT more traffic. In it's old place, it was the same stalwarts that typically inhabited it, and it policed itself better. Now a lot of those people are gone, and there has been a HUGE increase in the number of "This is NEWS because I got it from a CM..." type posts - many of which lately haven't been true.
Don't forget, even the DIS said that they had it on very reliable sources that CarsLand was taking over LMA and the Backlot, and the announcement was coming that week - and it didn't. And the rumors cooled for a while too.
I'd also point out that the OP said LMA was closing to become Star Wars Land, but the article says it is Cars Land, and Star Wars will take areas to either side of Star Tours (possibly yet to be determined). This shows how the rumors twist and get mixed up.
I'm starting to think we really need a sticky thread here to warn posters...anything coming from general cast members, bus drivers, etc. are treated as rumors until confirmed by statements or press releases from the executives, and posts should not state they are confirmed unless backed by those sources.
And even then, confirmation is not a guarantee it will happen or soon, as history has shown us...
One thought I had...if Kalogridis does get the money for this...I wonder what happens to Avatarland? Does it still go forward? Get scaled back? Hmm...since Disney hasn't actually given much details, they could scale back without too much backlash...
~See this is my point. We don't know if Star Wars land will be an automatic "success." Are the lines wrapped around the corner for Star Tours??? I think not. I've been going to Disney for a long time and I have never seen a line for Star Tours -- not ever. And, it's one of my favorite rides @ DHS. There are so many other variables to take into consideration, mainly the budget and the quality of the attractions. Just because it's "Star Wars" doesn't lead me to assume it will be an instant hit with the masses.I've been on record as being one of the ones that loves that idea of Pandora at the parks, I think it will be freaking amazing, but if Disney only approves 2 of the "rumored" projects, the first one I would cut would be Avatar.
Carsland is proving to be a major success right now, and we all know that Star Wars will stand the test of time and is as much as a sure thing as movie franchises come. Star Wars would be one of the best things that has happened at WDW in a long long time.
~I see your point. But by the same token, the same people who express disdain about Avatarland relished over the New Fantasyland concept -- only to end up underwhelmed. And, from what I've gathered the bathrooms create more buzz than the entire expansion. No one here expressed excitement about Carsland but it outshines Fantasyland in every way. So let's just wait and see. I think you will be pleased with how Disney adapts and interprets Avatar for AK.Avatar has hijacked the thread a little I don't want to run with it...
BUT I think we're spinning our wheels on whether the "buzz" is good or bad at this point.
What I will venture is that no development In Disney park history has ever had a skepticism level as this one has...either pre-Internet or post Internet era.
It's my opinion...but I can't recall anybody being this skeptical... Even Hyperion bay which had no concept or flamingo crossing, which was rolled out as walmart and a TGI Fridays.
There's probably alot of smoke here... But there's some fire too.
~See, this is presumptuous and unfair to the OP(s). Honestly, this is the first time I have ever seen these posters on this board and we may have already chased them away. I just can't assume the poster "knows" what the reaction will be.I don't think they are trying to mislead anyone either. I heard similar info from a trusted source before either of these threads were started so I believe it to be true.
Also, I see your point (I think it was in the other thread) about people seeming like trolls about the whole "official" thing. However, look at it from the other side. Why do people keep posting "official" and "confirmed" when they know the reaction it will get if it isn't from an official source?
I will never understand why people get so heated with the words official and confirmed because even when things are confirmed they do not always pan out. I enjoy the rumors board because it gets everyone's creative juices going and you can read so many sides to every rumor and idea. No need to flip out each and every time someone says the wrong word.
twebber55 said:agree
its not a big deal and afterall it is a rumor board no reason to get all bent out of shape it is theme parks afterall
agree
its not a big deal and afterall it is a rumor board no reason to get all bent out of shape it is theme parks afterall
It's a rumors and news board. The problem is being to tell one from the other.