Complaining about the volume of FP threads

[MonkeyDishwasher]

In all seriousness, with the volume of FP+ threads, is there enough to warrant a FP+ subforum?

 

[Angel Ariel]

In all seriousness, with the volume of FP+ threads, is there enough to warrant a FP+ subforum?

This has been asked and requested many times...I don't think it's going to happen

 

[PlayaMan]

The reason these FP+ threads get the most traffic is because it is mainly the same group of vocal posters that are driving these discussions voicing their displeasure in most FP+ threads that pop up even turning non-FP+ threads into FP+ bash sessions.

Yes, there are a few newcomers here and there that come in and comment on some FP+ discussions but by and large the majority of the post in the FP+ threads are being done by a minority of the same posters who restate their positions over and over again.

And these discussions veer wildly off topic and often become yuck fests among a small group of people who must be making side bets on who can post the most off topic random jokes or who can post the most obnoxious picture often mocking other people and/or their positions. It is hard for people to find factual information on MOST of these FP+ threads these days.

I wonder how seriously Disney takes these complaints when they see people posting like this. The FP+ critics start to sound shrill and therefore can be easily be ignored or minimized by Disney or even among the Disney Fan community. Just look at what Josh at easywdw had to say. Then you have some ant-FP+ people starting petitions and encouraging people to harass CMs on a Disney chat forum.

But I say people that dont like FP+ should complain away. Write letters and emails to Disney. That is more effective if you REALLY want your concerns be taken more seriously. I just think that the shrill, constant complaining over and over again on the forums is counterproductive if your goal is to try to change what Disney has in store for FP+. Money will change what Disney does. Disney knows that even though some people complain about the FP+ system that they still will be paying to go on yet another Disney vacation be it at WDW or DLR.

But if your goal is to start a support group for FP+ detractors to vent about the new system, I say you are doing a great job.

Lastly, I hear the common theme that every body's vacation style is different. And that is very true. Even though the vocal group thinks this is a major change, to many others, it is not a major change to their vacation and in some cases it is an improvement. You cant paint every one with that broad brush of this being a game changer for everyone.

 

[Disneychick75]

The problem-we think it's a problem- is not only have here been Fast Pass changes but the Guest Assistance Card has changed as well. If it was one thing or the other rather than both, I think we would handle it better. The deal too is the 12 year old who is autistic has been going to Disney World since he was 4. He is pretty set on touring a certain way. If any of you know autistic children, you know that routine is a big thing with most of them. We've been talking to him though about the changes and how we will now go through the parks. Crossing fingers that all will be well.

 

[Spont Combust]

To me, the takeaway is that message boards thrive on drama.

Sometimes it's easier to say certain things behind an anonymous shield. I think that FP+ has become such a entity that it needs a subforum, but I think even if that did happen, FP+ talk would probably unintentionally leak back here.

 

[Planogirl]

I just got curious and counted the threads. There are 50 threads not counting stickeys on page one. Of those, 16 appeared to be about FP+ or Magic Bands. I don't see that this topic is taking over anything at all.

I will also let the website owners worry about bandwidth. I bet that if that were a concern that they would be the first to say so.

 

[Silock]

The reason these FP+ threads get the most traffic is because it is mainly the same group of vocal posters that are driving these discussions voicing their displeasure in most FP+ threads that pop up even turning non-FP+ threads into FP+ bash sessions.

And do you think it's not the exact same for the FP+ Fire Brigade, who rush to every negative comment made about FP+ to tell the world how they loved it because they rode Test Track 5 times at noon on New Year's Day because they had FP+, no tiering, and triple-dipped the old system?

People who are vocally anti-FP do not outnumber the vocal FP+ defenders. It does seem, though, that the casual FP+ detractor outnumbers the casual FP+ lover.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

Personally, I feel the DISboards are worth every cent we pay to be here.

Since when is there a fee to be on this forum??

 

[NYDisneyKid]

Maybe someone should start a thread about complainers who complain about complainers.

 

[magicbob]

MAGICBOB...You have at least 2 choices.....read them or dont read them. the latter being you cant complain.

I agree 100%.
I think.

My intent was not to "complain" about "complaining about complaining about complaining about complaining about..."

But rather to entreat others to be more tolerant of differing views on the subject. And to attempt in a civil manner to explain WHY these topics are so prevalent.

Some people may be tired of reading these debates, but as you said... we all have at least 2 choices.

Sure, many of the posts by the "few" prolific posters (we know who we are.. no need to use code language) repeat previously stated arguments. But just as many with the opposite opinion also do. That's the nature of the beast, though. Heck... you can still find debates over the merits of taking a midday break. Those threads invariably repeat the same arguments of "midday breaks are essential" and "we don't bother with them." That's ok. The topic is obviously meaningful to those discussing it.

Is it drama? Of course it is. But I think there's a lot of drama for some pretty good reasons because FP+ is a BIG DEAL.

As an illustration, I started two threads yesterday. One was related to RD strategies and does not even HINT at anything to do with FP+. That thread has plummeted to page 2 with zero replies while this one now has 30 posts (and counting), making it already longer than most non-FP+ threads.

 

[magicbob]

Maybe someone should start a thread about complainers who complain about complainers.

I thought you already established that I just did that. Or maybe it was complainers who complain about complainers who complain about complainers. I'm so confused!

 

[NYDisneyKid]

Or maybe it was complainers who complain about complainers who complain about complainers. I'm so confused!

Thats for sure.

 

[PlayaMan]

It is interesting that this thread has been allowed to remain on the TAPS board while others of the same nature have been quickly moved to the Community Board. Of course, if this helps drive traffic to the DIS and the TAPS board, i can see why they moderate the TAPS board the way they do. That is not a criticism at all, just merely an observation. If I owned the DIS, i would do the same thing maybe even encourage the more vocal FP+ critics to keep expressing their opinions.

Again, FP+ is only a BIG deal to a percentage of people, not all but it is a hot topic of debate. That is why you see the FP+ threads grow the way they do. Well, that and the constant off topic postings among those threads.

 

[AmyB2006]

I agree, it's a massive change to everything related to WDW. I'm glad for the space to discuss anyway. It's interesting (to me) and helpful.

I didn't read anything but this and I agree. I'm happy there's a place to discuss it and get updates. What is a little bothersome is the same circle of debating over the same issues any time someone "new" comes in and posts something that someone from one side of the debate doesn't like. Then the endless bickering and sarcasm and hyperbole (nice college word people like to throw around lately LOL including myself) and bantering back and forth begins and it ceases to be about FP+ anymore. So I've tried to not get too involved in some of them and when I do I will quickly bail out if it starts to get that way.

But I do agree I'm glad they're here regardless. . It is a massive change.

 

[Laketravis]

Since when is there a fee to be on this forum??

Hint: There isn't.

 

[wisblue]

First of all to the bolded above ... LOL.

Secondly, it was meant as both. Serious that I would like to see a little less antagonism here, particularly intolerance for other people's opinions, even if they are complaints. But also a little tongue in cheek because in another thread someone admonished those of us who use pictures or emoticons in their responses

I'm sending you a PM.

 

[momof2n2]

In addition to contacting WDW, highly visible discussion, even including rehashing of ideas, can ultimately have an effect on the final product and any changes that might be made. It's not like these discussions and complaints are only happening here.

Here's hoping.

 

[JanaDee]

In addition to contacting WDW, highly visible discussion, even including rehashing of ideas, can ultimately have an effect on the final product and any changes that might be made. It's not like these discussions and complaints are only happening here.

No, they aren't only happening here, even though some people think the Dis is the only Disney board on the internet.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

It is interesting that this thread has been allowed to remain on the TAPS board while others of the same nature have been quickly moved to the Community Board. Of course, if this helps drive traffic to the DIS and the TAPS board, i can see why they moderate the TAPS board the way they do. That is not a criticism at all, just merely an observation. If I owned the DIS, i would do the same thing maybe even encourage the more vocal FP+ critics to keep expressing their opinions.
but it is a hot topic of debate. That is why you see the FP+ threads grow the way they do. Well, that and the constant off topic postings among those threads
Again, FP+ is only a BIG deal to a percentage of people, all.[/QUnotOTE]

TAPS board??

 

[PlayaMan]

It is interesting that this thread has been allowed to remain on the TAPS board while others of the same nature have been quickly moved to the Community Board. Of course, if this helps drive traffic to the DIS and the TAPS board, i can see why they moderate the TAPS board the way they do. That is not a criticism at all, just merely an observation. If I owned the DIS, i would do the same thing maybe even encourage the more vocal FP+ critics to keep expressing their opinions.
but it is a hot topic of debate. That is why you see the FP+ threads grow the way they do. Well, that and the constant off topic postings among those threads
Again, FP+ is only a BIG deal to a percentage of people, all.[/QUnotOTE]

TAPS board??

Just short for Theme Parks and Strategies board.