Cheap DVC?

[Millionaire2K]

So does anyone think Disney will ever offer a cheaper DVC buy-in at it's Moderate or Value resorts?

Maybe once ALL the deluxe resorts have DVC options they start adding DVC rooms at moderate and possible Value resorts?

At first I was thinking this would hurt more expensive DVC resorts. But what if they added extra "rules" to the lesser DVC resorts. Like maybe a smaller window to book outside of their resort tier.

value DVC :
$80 a point
5 month booking window outside of value resorts

Moderate DVC :
$110 a point
6 month booking window outside of moderate resorts

Thoughts?

 

[FreeTime]

If t were to happen I would think that it would be considered a different level of DVC so you wouldn't be able exchange not the deluxes, but you could exchange down. I recall a thread about this from a few years ago. I think the discussion group refer to it as DVC II.

Now at the suggested "cheap" prices you suggested I wouldn't buy into it. I paid much less than $80 for my points. Even with inflation, I probably wouldn't go that high to buy into a value.

 

[Millionaire2K]

If t were to happen I would think that it would be considered a different level of DVC so you wouldn't be able exchange not the deluxes, but you could exchange down. I recall a thread about this from a few years ago. I think the discussion group refer to it as DVC II.

Now at the suggested "cheap" prices you suggested I wouldn't buy into it. I paid much less than $80 for my points. Even with inflation, I probably wouldn't go that high to buy into a value.

Yeah MY cheap prices are based on the direct DVC rates being WELL above $100 today. I could only imagine how high direct prices will be in 10 years.

If you could not trade out of DVC "2" then yeah my prices would be VERY high. However I think a 5 or 6 month booking window instead of 7 would be a better restriction.

I paid $90 for my points. Today they cost $130+ direct. I'm not sure id want to buy direct anymore. The prices just seem so high.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Your model assumes that all DVC members book at exactly 7 months or before, or at least I could substantiate that in your example. It would devalue it for me because we typically book at 3-4 months out (Not all the time but most) because we simply are not at a point in our lives where we can plan further out.

I would raise immortal cain if someone that bought for substantially less than me could book my resorts essentially before I had a chance to get what I wanted.

I know this may not make sense.

It'll never happen. The outcry from DVC I would be unbearable. I could see booking "down" but a new system that allowed booking up would be extremely difficult to implement and keep it fair in my opinion.

 

[disneynutz]

Not likely, in Disney's model the prices continue to increase, not go down.

Bill

 

[lovin'fl]

Yeah, I wouldn't be interested. Part of the beauty of DVC is staying at the deluxe resorts and LOCATION...location...location. Not a fan of the value and moderate resorts locations in WDW so I wouldn't want to be locked on to only staying at those resorts. And as another poster mentioned, I bought my deluxe DVC points at less than $80pp...bought 5 resales (at OKW, HHI and AKV) and the highest I paid was $76pp (lowest was $50pp). My BWV, I bought direct and paid a hefty price but it's well worth it for F&W trips and the best location at WDW (IMO).

And I agree with Bill above...Disney only goes up...up...up.

 

[drusba]

Though future is not that predictable, Disney has already indicated that it would build a DVC at a moderate (as far as prices go) Disney resort in that plans for a Fort Wilderness DVC were leaked several years ago and those plans indicated they were not going to build a "cheap" DVC but one with usual DVC accommodations at likely usual DVC prices. As far as the not too distant future goes (meaning next 12 years or so), I think it more likely we will see that Fort Wilderness resort, another tower at Contemporary and possibly a new resort right next to Studios where there is a lot of unused land. I believe the chances are very slim for one at a value resort and some chance to see one at Coronado Springs (and it would not be a"cheap" DVC but something more along the lines of Kidani in room size and have its own restaurant or two). I also doubt we will see another non-WDW resort in that time unless they can find land for one near another Disney park in the US or foreign countries.

 

[nalajms]

It would also be very hard to compete with Free Dining. I priced out some dates for this fall and some of the values come out to be as low as $30 per night! Too bad DH will not stay in values

 

[wildforgoofy]

I think it more likely we will see that Fort Wilderness resort, another tower at Contemporary and possibly a new resort right next to Studios where there is a lot of unused land. I believe the chances are very slim for one at a value resort and some chance to see one at Coronado Springs (and it would not be a"cheap" DVC but something more along the lines of Kidani in room size and have its own restaurant or two). I also doubt we will see another non-WDW resort in that time unless they can find land for one near another Disney park in the US or foreign countries.

Where would they put another tower at Contemporary? Do they still have one of the small garden room buildings off the back of the main tower? Are you thinking they'd build a tower there? We stayed at the CR tower two years ago, and it's funny I don't remember seeing that small building but I'm sure it's still there.

 

[drusba]

Where would they put another tower at Contemporary? Do they still have one of the small garden room buildings off the back of the main tower? Are you thinking they'd build a tower there? We stayed at the CR tower two years ago, and it's funny I don't remember seeing that small building but I'm sure it's still there.

They would likely take out the South Garden Wing to build it. Some possibility they could just put one across the street near the lake with walking bridge over the street, although if they did that it would likely be something along the lines like the Polynesian DVC and probably not a tower.

 

[tjkraz]

Not as long as sales are acceptable at $160+ per point.

Most likely plan involving any moderate is demolition of exiting guest rooms to page the way for reconstruction...a la Saratoga Springs.

 

[keishashadow]

So does anyone think Disney will ever offer a cheaper DVC buy-in at it's Moderate or Value resorts?

Maybe once ALL the deluxe resorts have DVC options they start adding DVC rooms at moderate and possible Value resorts?

At first I was thinking this would hurt more expensive DVC resorts. But what if they added extra "rules" to the lesser DVC resorts. Like maybe a smaller window to book outside of their resort tier.

value DVC :
$80 a point
5 month booking window outside of value resorts

Moderate DVC :
$110 a point
6 month booking window outside of moderate resorts

Thoughts?

I did think it might come to fruition years ago before the newer resorts were announced.

imo many who book moderates are conditioned to wait for discounted rates (FDP, pincodes) and like to book packages for the ease/convenience factor and whatever value they perceive from their non-rack 'deals'.

 

[hakepb]

With the current success of the family suites, Disney has basically figured out how to sell guests on paying deluxe prices while staying at a value resort.

I don't see how a a DVC at a value lication would really cost less to buy.

 

[supersnoop]

With the current success of the family suites, Disney has basically figured out how to sell guests on paying deluxe prices while staying at a value resort.

I don't see how a a DVC at a value lication would really cost less to buy.

I can't see a lower buy-in price, but I can imagine a "moderate" DVC with lower points-per-night, and maybe a lower initial point purchase threshold.

 

[alice99]

Your model assumes that all DVC members book at exactly 7 months or before, or at least I could substantiate that in your example. It would devalue it for me because we typically book at 3-4 months out (Not all the time but most) because we simply are not at a point in our lives where we can plan further out.

I would raise immortal cain if someone that bought for substantially less than me could book my resorts essentially before I had a chance to get what I wanted.
I know this may not make sense.

It'll never happen. The outcry from DVC I would be unbearable. I could see booking "down" but a new system that allowed booking up would be extremely difficult to implement and keep it fair in my opinion.

I agree completely with this. We do not book until 3-4 months in advance ourselves, and this was exactly what I am thinking.
I would be very upset to find that the only availability was at a value DVC.

I can't see a lower buy-in price, but I can imagine a "moderate" DVC with lower points-per-night, and maybe a lower initial point purchase threshold.

I can see them trying this.

 

[Millionaire2K]

I agree completely with this. We do not book until 3-4 months in advance ourselves, and this was exactly what I am thinking.
I would be very upset to find that the only availability was at a value DVC.

People can already buy resale at SSR for example (Less than $80) and book ALL your rooms up. So if you own DVC and book 3-4 months out it would only be your fault for waiting to book. You get a resort advantage for a reason.

How about a few more "value DVC" rules?

MAX buy-in of say 50 value points?
or
after 50 "value" points, extra points can "not" be used outside of value. This can limit use at other resorts.

rooms are cheap:

Studio: 5-7 points
1br: 10-14 points
2br: 15-21 points

Or keep "value" points around SSR direct prices say $120? Then Disney allows a "value" buy-in at 25 points instead of 100.

Or how about a point split like a stock split? So we all get 2x the points that we have now. Deluxe rooms cost 2x what they do now. Dues & point cost are cut in half.

A split can add extra value against a "value" offer.

I'm just tossing ideas out there. I think anything is possible. Anyone have any other possible rules that might this work for them?

 

[WilsonFlyer]

People can already buy resale at SSR for example (Less than $80) and book ALL "your" rooms up. So if you own DVC and book 3-4 months out it would only be your fault for waiting to book. You get a resort advantage for a reason.

To your own point, then why buy new at $80 at DVC II?

 

[alice99]

People can already buy resale at SSR for example (Less than $80) and book ALL "your" rooms up. So if you own DVC and book 3-4 months out it would only be your fault for waiting to book. You get a resort advantage for a reason.

Yes, but I am not talking about sale price.
I am talking about quality of the resort. I purchased into DVC , which has Deluxe resorts.
Saratoga Springs is a deluxe resort and I am happy to stay there.

I don't believe adding budget resorts to DVC is a good idea.
I didn't mention anything about resort pricing, even if people pay 150 per point at an All Star Resort DVC , for example, that doesn't make it a deluxe resort.

Just as paying 80 per point doesn't make SSR a budget resort.... that just makes it a good deal.

I don't know why you put the word "your" in quotes... I never implied that the rooms were mine.

 

[Millionaire2K]

I am talking about quality of the resort. I purchased into DVC , which has Deluxe resorts.

I don't know why you put the word "your" in quotes... I never implied that the rooms were mine.

I just got quote happy. Sorry. I fixed it.

To your resort point. I feel that way already with HH, VB rooms. I never want to, and never will stay there. However they can book WDW rooms. So I don't see how a value option that cost 5-7 points a night would be worst then only HH being free when you plan a Dec trip 3-4 months out.

Also I suspect a % of DVC owners would love to stay at a lesser resort to save points towards a bigger trip. So this could also help free up deluxe rooms for the people who can afford the points to stay there.

 

[Millionaire2K]

To your own point, then why buy new at $80 at DVC II?

People can buy-in at less points? That could be an advantage.

Not everyone can afford $10,000+. So maybe a value DVC can have a buy-in of as low as 25 points?