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[NYDisneyKid]

The cost of the vacation for the miners is practically nothing. The cost of a raise for 20000 people would be huge. It is their money. They have the right to spend it as they like.

As for the cm above, you made a choice. Either the rewards pay off or not. Someone else would be thrilled to share pins with the kids too.

???? i said nothing about pins. would love to know the truth about Iger though. out and left with a big bonus?

 

[Planogirl]

We all make choices. Some people might choose to be a CM even with the lousy pay for reasons only they know. I still don't see the problem with workers peacefully organizing and protesting when their salaries in effect go DOWN.

I also don't see that every CM job is so easy. Have any of you who keep saying that ever worked with the public? Have you had to do so while keeping the Disney smile plastered on your face? It's not that easy!

 

[hookedonears]

Federal laws do not protect workers from termination without cause. There are laws which protect workers from wrongful termination under certain circumstances (whistle blowers, age discrimination, racial discrimination to name a few). They do not protect an employee with 18 years experience from being terminated without cause to be replaced by a new employee who will work for less. Nor do they protect an employee from being terminated simply because someone doesn't like them. They are at-will employees and have no protection what-so-ever.

I do agree that I am unlikely to change your mind about unions and you are not going to change mine. Although I certainately agree that unions are not as strong as they once were. I just see this as a bad thing and responsible for alot of the problems that today's workers face.

And for good reason. What constitutes "cause" is up for debate and opens up avenues for law suits that would strangle businesses every time someone is let go. Another good example of why unions destroy just about everything they touch. My wife's nephew was trying to get a teaching job at a local high school. He had just graduated from college. He had gotten glowing recommendations from his professors, and the principal of the High school liked him and hired him. The principal had to obtain final approval from the school board, normally a formality, because principal's usually are given the latitude to hire who ever they want to, though at the last minute the school board forced the principal to hire a teacher that use to be at this school, though this principal had given same poor reviews for several years, and the teacher was transferred to another school. The principal didn't want this teacher back. The principal was forced to hire her back, because she had tenure. Tenure should have absolutely nothing to do with hiring, firing or promotions.

 

[wtccheermom]

And for good reason. What constitutes "cause" is up for debate and opens up avenues for law suits that would strangle businesses every time someone is let go. Another good example of why unions destroy just about everything they touch. My wife's nephew was trying to get a teaching job at a local high school. He had just graduated from college. He had gotten glowing recommendations from his professors, and the principal of the High school liked him and hired him. The principal had to obtain final approval from the school board, normally a formality, because principal's usually are given the latitude to hire who ever they want to, though at the last minute the school board forced the principal to hire a teacher that had received poor reviews in the past, and a person the principal didn’t want. This teacher however had tenure. Tenure should have absolutely nothing to do with hiring, firing or promotions.[/QUOTE]

Neither should race or gender. It all should be based on performance and evaluations!!!

 

[kikiq]

I am not looking for attention, I could careless. But I pray someone PMs me with a reason to stay on this forum because right now I am completely disgusted and probably wont stick around.

There are times when you have to walk away from a thread and but not the forum. Personally, I feel the CMs on the DIS have provided support and information that is invaluable. My DD was in the CP, thought it was the "best thing she never knew she needed", was paid $7.70 to work under in the sun selling ice cream with the umbrella protecting the cart, and is seriously considering returning after college. While some of us have attempted to deal with facts, others are highly opinionated as is their right and others don't want to deal with the facts and nothing will change their opinion.

Walk away from this discussion, but please stay and keep providing Disney facts and information to the DIS. And some day, a family will post about the pixie dust that a CM gave them that day and it was you.

 

[goofy4prez]

i haven't read through the thread, as it's loads of pages, but i did skim some and i agree with the idea that if you're not doing something hard, then you are replaceable and i don't think the CMs should protest. before deciding to work there, they are told what pay they will be receiving and what benefits, if any. if they don't like it, they can go elsewhere. there are a zillion other theme parks and there are other jobs out there. the issue is that they're not skilled workers. even if a few hundred of them quit, there are people waiting to fill their spots. it's not difficult to sweep the sidewalk or serve hot dogs. until they are more valuable, they should not complain. they can be proactive and find another jobs or build their skills.

I agree with much of what you and others have said, these are not skilled positions that offer high incomes and really are not intended to be for someone with a higher education or skill set. However, I do believe they should be treated fairly.

But what I really question in your post is, until they are more valuable. I really hope you are not equating human value with social status, or how many degrees are hanging on a wall. I myself have a Masters degree in business and hold a bachelor in ministerial studies. But in no way am I more valuable than a stay at home mom/dad, garbage collector, cashier at Walmart, or a CM at WDW. Nor do I feel it is right to look down at them because they sweep the sidewalk on Mainstreet or serve a hot dog from a cart; at least it is an honest job. I certainly hope this is not what you meant.

 

[ftballfan7]

There are times when you have to walk away from a thread and but not the forum. Personally, I feel the CMs on the DIS have provided support and information that is invaluable. My DD was in the CP, thought it was the "best thing she never knew she needed", was paid $7.70 to work under in the sun selling ice cream with the umbrella protecting the cart, and is seriously considering returning after college. While some of us have attempted to deal with facts, others are highly opinionated as is their right and others don't want to deal with the facts and nothing will change their opinion.

Walk away from this discussion, but please stay and keep providing Disney facts and information to the DIS. And some day, a family will post about the pixie dust that a CM gave them that day and it was you.

Well said. Most people appreciate the CMs and understand your value. After all our vacations would not be very magical without you. Standing around a Florida park with nothing to do, nothing to eat and no clean rooms to stay in would get old fast. Move on and ignore the vocal minority who think they are better than you. I too am moving on as I come to the dis boards to talk about Disney and vacations and think about positive things, but I have found myself getting caught up in a few threads that just irritate me. I will however follow your story and hope for the best for you and all of your co-workers.

 

[collegejunkie]

I agree with much of what you and others have said, these are not skilled positions that offer high incomes and really are not intended to be for someone with a higher education or skill set. However, I do believe they should be treated fairly.

But what I really question in your post is, until they are more valuable. I really hope you are not equating human value with social status, or how many degrees are hanging on a wall. I myself have a Masters degree in business and hold a bachelor in ministerial studies. But in no way am I more valuable than a stay at home mom/dad, garbage collector, cashier at Walmart, or a CM at WDW. Nor do I feel it is right to look down at them because they sweep the sidewalk on Mainstreet or serve a hot dog from a cart; at least it is an honest job. I certainly hope this is not what you meant.

i meant valuable to the company. until they are more valuable to the company and not easily replaceable, they should not complain. people are people.

 

[dingleberry]

Some pages back someone wondered why Disney wouldn't just up all the wages to something nice like $10.00/hr....

Unintended consequences.

So Disney's operating costs go up by several hundred million per year...the cost to go to Disney raises accordingly to make up for that across the board pay raise...fewer people PAY to go to Disney....therefore fewer CM's are needed....jobs are lost.

If the markets bears $7.50/hr jobs, then it will be so. As long as someone will work the job up to their standards, why should Disney spend more money than it needs to? Once there is nobody willing to work for the wage, Disney will pay more.

Why does Disney charge so much for its vacation packages? Because we pay it!

As for the protestors, of course they have a right in this country to peacefully assemble. Nothing wrong there. And nothing wrong with someone else taking their jobs if they are no longer satisfied with the deal.

And nothing wrong with walking through a picket line. Heck, I'd like to take a month off of work and head to Orlando to work as a scab for a while!

 

[NYDisneyKid]

I could see it now. HEADLINES..."Thousands of people swarm on Disney property in protest of costly admission prices"

 

[Oglet]

Some pages back someone wondered why Disney wouldn't just up all the wages to something nice like $10.00/hr....

Unintended consequences.

So Disney's operating costs go up by several hundred million per year...the cost to go to Disney raises accordingly to make up for that across the board pay raise...fewer people PAY to go to Disney....therefore fewer CM's are needed....jobs are lost.

Several hundred million a year? even with a $2 per hour pay raise for each FT CM that wouldn't come out to anywhere close to that.

Even if you factor in PT labor at the same number as FT its well under 200 Million per year and well short of several hundred million.

No matter how you look at it, giving 20,000 people any kind of pay raise is going to be a huge chunk of change.

With or without a CM pay increase, Disney are going to raise their ticket prices regardless, its as sure as death and taxes.

 

[GinnyEmma]

You all are too funny. It is so sad that you equate the of a person with the skill level of a job. I can think someone is doing a job that takes little skill without even touching the concept of value as a person.

There are marketable skills that earn more money. If you choose to not use those marketable skills than stop the witching for more money.

I can't imagine throwing awY a good education that hopefully you paid for, not anyone else because you want to pin trade for Disney.

 

[WDSearcher]

Someone (a CM) just told me (like within the last hour) that Iger is out. no longer CEO and left with with a big bonus. True or not?

Seriously? That's a serious question? If it were the case, it would be breaking news on every single financial site / TV station and Disney stock would be taking a nosedive. It would be, in other words, noticeable with a very quick search.

No. It's not true.

 

[WDSearcher]

Actually, Robert Staggs is a coach at Pikeville (singular not plural) College here in KY. Don't you hate it when you're trying to catch someone on a technicality... And you get caught on one yourself?

I do.



PS. The PP was still wrong about which Staggs, though.

 

[GinnyEmma]

We all make choices. Some people might choose to be a CM even with the lousy pay for reasons only they know. I still don't see the problem with workers peacefully organizing and protesting when their salaries in effect go DOWN.

I also don't see that every CM job is so easy. Have any of you who keep saying that ever worked with the public? Have you had to do so while keeping the Disney smile plastered on your face? It's not that easy!

It is just part of the job. Yes, I have worked with people. i spent two summers working at Cedar Point while I was in high school. I cleaned offices, and worked at Spencer Gifts to get through school. The ofc people were just gross sometimes, but one had to just smile and do better. And working for Spencers in the bible belt was about as much of a tightrope in customer service as exists.If you take a job you fulfill the requirements, even if one of those is to be perky.

Not every job is meant to support a family. It isn't anything personal. It is just the way it is. A job that is not difficult doesn't make it unworthwhile. It just doesn't warrant the same pay as one that demands more skill and education. Life isn't fair. My husband with his ba makes more than me with my phd. I could refuse to do my job, or accept that my choices planted me where I am.

I think Disney is being stingy, and I think the employees are wanting too much. I don't trust big business, but I don't believe in cult like following of other organizations either.

 

[d-r]

I am disgusted by the lot of you.

I come to work everyday for $7.70 an hour. I used to make $45,000 annually in another sector. But now I spend my days trying to make your kids happy, and give you reasons to love coming to Disney and your going to disrespect ME by saying I made poor life choices? I am 26 years old, live in a 5 bedroom 4 bathroom house in Davenport, am childless and both my wife and I are professionals (she has a career in Veterinary Medicine) But your right, I choose to come here every morning.

So that your son, your daughter can have a magical moment.

So I can see the smile on their face when I give them pins I paid for.

So you can come here and talk about the fantastic world you get to visit.

But not so that some stranger can enjoy my work, then disrespect me blindly.



Don't forget, these people who made 'poor life choices' are the reason your on this forum. This reply isn't about the money.

I am not looking for attention, I could careless. But I pray someone PMs me with a reason to stay on this forum because right now I am completely disgusted and probably wont stick around.

BTW: Your welcome for censoring my own thread. It wasn't so kind the first time I wrote it.

Listen. Don't let some anonymous person on the internet get to you. They forget they are talking to and about real people. There's a tendency for folks to think that they would have been invited to hang out with John Galt in the cave - they don't realize that they themselves are just more of the faceless proles who would have been left out in the cold. The vast majority of us are all in the working class. And everyone of us in the working class is supporting the two workless classes - the underclass of perpetual poverty and the upperclass of birthright landed gentry. We can tell ourselves "I'm white collar" "I'm middle class" "I'm professional" "I'm upper middle class" "I live in a gated community" "I drive a lexus" whatever. But the truth is we are all working class - labor, service, whatever, we are all working for someone. It's a small matter of degrees. They'll figure it out someday, or they won't. Doesn't really matter.

Thanks for doing the job you do. Enjoy the parts that you enjoy - right now is a beautiful time of year in to be living in Florida.

 

[d-r]

Should be pm

 

[GinnyEmma]

Listen. Don't let some anonymous person on the internet get to you. They forget they are talking to and about real people. There's a tendency for folks to think that they would have been invited to hang out with John Galt in the cave - they don't realize that they themselves are just more of the faceless proles who would have been left out in the cold. The vast majority of us are all in the working class. And everyone of us in the working class is supporting the two workless classes - the underclass of perpetual poverty and the upperclass of birthright landed gentry. We can tell ourselves "I'm white collar" "I'm middle class" "I'm professional" "I'm upper middle class" "I live in a gated community" "I drive a lexus" whatever. But the truth is we are all working class - labor, service, whatever, we are all working for someone. It's a small matter of degrees. They'll figure it out someday, or they won't. Doesn't really matter.

Thanks for doing the job you do. Enjoy the parts that you enjoy - right now is a beautiful time of year in to be living in Florida.

lol,and your point is?

 

[brunette8706]

What country do you think we all live in. If the job sucks that much, why the hell don't they find another one? They applied for the job, they got the job, I am sure that the pay scale and all the benefits are very easy to find and educate themselves on. They want more money, Disney is giving them 3% pay increases every year for the next three years in an environment where inflation is nill! And they still stoop to levels where they take up their companies intellectual creations and stomp all over them saying this place stinks, management is treating us like dirt, etc. Then do something for yourself and make a change in YOUR life, don't push your problems onto people that have nothing to do with your problems.

What they are getting paid is the going rate for what they do. My wife was a Medical Assitant for 15 years. The work was hard and the pay sucked. She went to night school for 6 years to become an RN. The pay is good and the work is even harder. She didn't run around saying her employer sucked because she was getting paid X and X is what Medical Assistants make everywhere!

If they have a problem with 3% increases, then they need to do something that rates more than 3% increases.

Selling ice cream in the blazing sun huh? Wait, do I have to actually stand the whole time too?

Geez, what a different reality you must live in.

EXCELLENT POST!

 

[d-r]

lol,and your point is?

"Don't feel bad.

Some people are mean.

They look down on others whom they feel have a job that is a lower status than their job.

I do not think they are of the status that they think they are."