Census 2010

PghLybrt

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Did anyone get theirs yet?

We did. It was really short. I remeber last time we had someone come to the house.

I wonder how others will put down how they are related. In PA I can only put unmaried partner as marriage is not legal in PA. However in other states it is, so what will you put down?

I don't think this is going to give an acurate picture of our population at all!
 
We counted ourselves as "husband" since we are legally married here in MA.
 

I did not put a hex on the nation's postal service. :rolleyes:

We got our census. It's a shame there are only 3 of us, seeing how they had room for me to list up to 12 people.
 
We got ours yesterday and also had to select "Unmarried Partner" as we too live in PA. The interesting decision was how to define my partner's son as I was listed as household member #1, and all the other members are related to #1.
 
We got ours in the mail yesterday. I haven't looked at it, so I can't comment on how we'll fill it out yet. But if we only have a handful of states that allow gay marriage, I think it will be a while before our government updates the form and to count us correctly.

Hard enough getting marriage equality, DADT repealed and non-discrimination policies put in place for our protection in this country, let alone having the census form updated correctly to cover all forms of realtionships. I don't have much faith personally. It will be a while before they wise up and count us as we should.
 
I just took a look at the website and once I saw that there was a spot for "straight ally" - I ordered one!
 
I just took a look at the website and once I saw that there was a spot for "straight ally" - I ordered one!

of course there is!! we need to count not just those of us who ARE queer....but those who support us, too. I would love to see large numbers of "straight ally" stickers get submitted because it might shatter the commonly held belief "everyone" doesn't like LGBT folks----thus normalizing it and making it easier for homopobes to rationalize their own bias!
 
of course there is!! we need to count not just those of us who ARE queer....but those who support us, too. I would love to see large numbers of "straight ally" stickers get submitted because it might shatter the commonly held belief "everyone" doesn't like LGBT folks----thus normalizing it and making it easier for homopobes to rationalize their own bias!

::yes:: Oh! I agree with you 110%...

It just strikes me as odd that the GLBT community is so willing to accept me but some people are so unwilling to accept them... I almost feel as if I don't deserve to be recognized... Weird huh? It's gotta be hormones...

When I got the link to confirm my email address to get the sticker emailed to me there was also a link to download it and print it out... I am going to print a bunch and hand them out to my friends who are also ally's but wouldn't even know this existed, never mind where to look.
 
I was really confused by something else. I think question 5 asked if I was of Mexican American origin, to which I answered yes, and then the next question was what race are you (please note that for this census hispanic origins are not considered a race).

Then the only choices I possible could have chosen were white or native american, or other, so I guess that makes me an other :confused3
 
I was really confused by something else. I think question 5 asked if I was of Mexican American origin, to which I answered yes, and then the next question was what race are you (please note that for this census hispanic origins are not considered a race).

Then the only choices I possible could have chosen were white or native american, or other, so I guess that me an other :confused3

My partner called me on my way home from work to ask me about this question. He didn't know how to answer it :confused3 ...so I clarified it for him...

I'm 1/2 Mexican and 1/2 Italian....

So, told him to check Mexican American, and White as my race, as that is what my birth certificate states.

It's poorly written, in terms of choices...

Don't know if that'll help you out or not, but that's what we ended up listing.
 
Ours arrived today. I haven't opened it yet. I will fill it out eventually. :rolleyes1
 
I was really confused by something else. I think question 5 asked if I was of Mexican American origin, to which I answered yes, and then the next question was what race are you (please note that for this census hispanic origins are not considered a race).

Then the only choices I possible could have chosen were white or native american, or other, so I guess that makes me an other :confused3

Actually....most people who are latino/hispanic are classified as white....unless they are native and latino or black and latino....it's a federal government thing...and it's a really offensive way to capture race (your "color") and ethnicity. We have to do this at my job when we provide services and HIV testing in order to classify people according to CDC (federal govt.) guidelines....so on our forms people who are of mexican descent or south american or puerto rican always check "latino/a or hispanic" and then have to ask our receptionist-----what do I check here? (where the choices are basically only white, black, asian/pacific islander, native, mixed race and other)-----and our receptionist has to tell them that they are probably classified as "white" (which you can imagine that many people of color don't really get-----OR appreciate!) :sad2:
 
...if we only have a handful of states that allow gay marriage, I think it will be a while before our government updates the form and to count us correctly.

Hard enough getting marriage equality, ... let alone having the census form updated correctly to cover all forms of realtionships. I don't have much faith personally. It will be a while before they wise up and count us as we should.

Hi, everyone. I agree that people should be able to marry the person they love. (There are worse things a person could do than to love another human being!) Anyway, I just filled out my census form. In the relationship portion I noticed that the choices included, among many others, "husband/wife" and "unmarried partner". I know that I probably sound naive, but I'm just honestly curious about what other option they should put on the form to satisfy everyone.
 
Anyway, I just filled out my census form. In the relationship portion I noticed that the choices included, among many others, "husband/wife" and "unmarried partner".

That leaves out husband/husband and wife/wife. There really is a difference in opposite-sex couples between those who have chosen to live together and those who have chosen to marry. That difference is responded to in so many aspects of our culture and is a part of how their friends view them, etc. Without providing a recognition of the differences between these two realities for same-sex couples a lot of valuable information is being missed by the census.

I actually think that this is a MUCH bigger issue than the simple equality issue. People who work with data want the data to be as clear as possible and to allow them to run as many analyses as any future researcher might dream up. A decision to be discriminatory in the data collection not only hurts people now it constrains what future researchers will be able to understand. (I think that the argument of the discriminators is that it will prevent those researchers from knowing about a part of their society they would like to hide, but, the reality is that researchers simply see an inability to analyze, rather than make assumptions about what it must mean.)

Anyway, I just filled out my census form. In the relationship portion I noticed that the choices included, among many others, "husband/wife" and "unmarried partner". I know that I probably sound naive, but I'm just honestly curious about what other option they should put on the form to satisfy everyone.

The 2006 Canadian Census form asked the questions this way. (As a child with complicated step-parent relationships I think that there is a weakness in the way they address that issue, but, the spousal part is good.)

STEP E
Copy the names in Step B to Question 1, on top of page 4.
Keep the same order.

1.NAME

In the spaces provided, copy the names in the same order as in Step B. Then answer the following questions for each person.

PERSON 1

Family Name ______________________________

Given Name ______________________________

2. SEX

circle Male

circle Female

3. DATE OF BIRTH

Day Month Year
Example : 1 3 0 2 1 9 5 0

If exact date is not known, enter best estimate.

Date of birth
Day Month Year
_____ ______ ________

4. MARITAL STATUS

Mark one circle only.

circle Never legally married (single)

circle Legally married (and not separated)

circle Separated, but still legally married

circle Divorced

circle Widowed

5. Is this person living with a common-law partner? Common-law refers to two people of the opposite sex or of the same sex who live together as a couple but who are not legally married to each other.

circle Yes

circle No

6. RELATIONSHIP TO PERSON 1

For each person usually living here, describe his/her relationship to Person 1.

Mark or specify one response only.

Stepchildren, adopted children and children of a common-law partner should be considered sons and daughters.

If none of the choices apply, use the "Other" box to indicate this person's relationship to Person 1.

Examples of "Other" relationships to Person 1:
• cousin
• niece or nephew
• lodger's husband or wife
• room-mate's son or daughter
• employee
• same-sex married spouse

PERSON 1

circle PERSON 1

PERSON 2

circle Husband or wife of Person 1

circle Opposite-sex common-law partner of Person 1

circle Same-sex common-law partner of Person 1

circle Son or daughter of Person 1

circle Son-in-law or daughter-in-law of Person 1

circle Grandchild of Person 1

circle Father or mother of Person 1

circle Father-in-law or mother-in-law of Person 1

circle Grandparent of Person 1

circle Brother or sister of Person 1

circle Brother-in-law or sister-in-law of Person 1

circle Lodger or boarder

circle Room-mate

Other— Specify ______________________________



My notes: I still don't think this is a perfect form, but, it should allow researchers to use the full set of data. For instance, it irks me that the list of "Other" relationships includes the possibility of listing same-sex married spouse, but, I think that this was left in from a previous census because there were people who indicated a desire to specifically identify that way. Since the choice of Husband or Wife is gender neutral it should allow both opposite-sex and same-sex couples to be included. They can then be split (if desired) by looking at the data for sex of each person. (Btw, I'm pretty sure most same-sex married couples listed themselves as married rather than other. Plus, the requirement to specify when choosing other makes it clearer.) Given this, I am also slightly irked that they separated "Opposite-sex common-law" and "Same-sex common-law" because the data set doesn't require the separation in order to count both. But, again, I think that it was a matter of including questions in a form that they thought people might wish to see. I suspect that the data analysts quickly transformed the data to collapse that distinction before proceeding with further analyses.
 
I just do not understand how hard it was to come up with a form. They did have 10 years to do so!
 












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