Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[diznygirl]

I am probably going to take the chance of angering people here- but I believe that Casey was abused by her dad. Her mom may be very sympathetic on the stand because her love for her family and especially Caylee is obvious. But we saw many times where she seemed like a control freak over the past 3 years. I've worked with the mentally ill and I've seen families like this. Seem wonderful on the outside but inside the home secrets prevail.

Leigh, I think our own experiences color our opinions in this case. I have a former sister-in-law who was like Casey - would lie through her teeth and believed all her lies. She claimed her step-father sexually abused her but when it was convenient forgot those claims. They were brought up during the custody battle and now my nephew is banned from his grandparents house. Not good for her because guess who actually watched the kid on her watch? That's right, grandma and the supposed abuser. She fought that pretty hard but she was hung on her own accusations.

So I'm definitely one who is taking anything Casey says with a gallon of salt at this point. You've seen one side, I've seen the other.

But I see that the predominate feeling is that Caylee's death was an accident that Casey covered up for some reason.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

"Characters of Interest"...who might show up at the memorial service. Interesting, but so sad this family had to deal with this.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147464/detail.html

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

If Caylee's death included ANY form of child abuse at the hands of Casey, then even if her death were "accidental"--it can still carry a conviction of murder 1 in the state of Florida. (that is the end of my legal understanding)


I also believe that observers should be careful in diagnosing Casey as some kind of abuse victim. The only standing diagnosis that she has--even admitted by her own defense counsel--is that she is a very compelling and frequent liar.

There are holes in her story unfortunately and since she is the one posing that particular accusation, there is reasonable doubt ALL OVER THE place with the tales she told.

I am convinced she told Jose that her boyfriend would totally and completely back her up. His testimony is unchanged from the start and in his observation of what she told him, there was no abuse.

Interestingly--Casey only saw a psychologist for 4 hours during this whole ordeal (that we are aware of). It would have behooved the defense to have her evalulated back then and frequently throughout this process. Without that--there just won't be enough to clinically determine the validity of her claims.

Of course Casey will fit many many profiles: Narcissist, sociopath, "abuse" victim. And that is because there is one thing Casey is darn good at--ACTING.

Casey has lost all "Benefit of doubt" credit she could have been given through her web of lies. In the end, it doesn't justify a single act on her part.

The baby did NOT drown. The allegations after that falsehood don't make sense in a state where, unless they can prove that it was an Andrea Yates situation--it will be declared an accident. There was no need to cover it up until the evidence was so far gone that that COD could not be proven. It's ridiculous.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Leigh, I think our own experiences color our opinions in this case. I have a former sister-in-law who was like Casey - would lie through her teeth and believed all her lies. She claimed her step-father sexually abused her but when it was convenient forgot those claims. They were brought up during the custody battle and now my nephew is banned from his grandparents house. Not good for her because guess who actually watched the kid on her watch? That's right, grandma and the supposed abuser. She fought that pretty hard but she was hung on her own accusations.

So I'm definitely one who is taking anything Casey says with a gallon of salt at this point. You've seen one side, I've seen the other.

But I see that the predominate feeling is that Caylee's death was an accident that Casey covered up for some reason.

I have a sister who can lie through her teeth, and feel like everyone is against her. She never killed anyone, but she's done her damage, for sure. If confronted, she'd yell "Fine! Blame me for everything!" and then give excuse after excuse. She had an excuse for everything. (I say "had" because I no longer have a relationship with her.) Never took responsibility for anything. Even if she did admit to something, it wasn't her fault.

 

[ols386]

Leigh, I think our own experiences color our opinions in this case. I have a former sister-in-law who was like Casey - would lie through her teeth and believed all her lies. She claimed her step-father sexually abused her but when it was convenient forgot those claims. They were brought up during the custody battle and now my nephew is banned from his grandparents house. Not good for her because guess who actually watched the kid on her watch? That's right, grandma and the supposed abuser. She fought that pretty hard but she was hung on her own accusations.

So I'm definitely one who is taking anything Casey says with a gallon of salt at this point. You've seen one side, I've seen the other.

But I see that the predominate feeling is that Caylee's death was an accident that Casey covered up for some reason.

I see what you're saying about the feeling being that Casey accidentally killed Caylee. But if that's the case, why was the duct tape over her mouth and nose? And how in the world could Casey go out partying so much, and carrying on with her life like nothing had happened. Unless she was in denial, but even if that was the case, I still don't get it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I am probably going to take the chance of angering people here- but I believe that Casey was abused by her dad. Her mom may be very sympathetic on the stand because her love for her family and especially Caylee is obvious. But we saw many times where she seemed like a control freak over the past 3 years. I've worked with the mentally ill and I've seen families like this. Seem wonderful on the outside but inside the home secrets prevail.

No anger.

I am no fan of Cindy--but I also don't have Casey for a daughter who did everything to inhibit the search for my grandchild who ended up being found dead.

The Cindy for the last 3 years is a different Cindy than prior to Caylee's death.

People are not the same after a young child dies in the family.

 

[ols386]

I have a sister who can lie through her teeth, and feel like everyone is against her. She never killed anyone, but she's done her damage, for sure. If confronted, she'd yell "Fine! Blame me for everything!" and then give excuse after excuse. She had an excuse for everything. (I say "had" because I no longer have a relationship with her.) Never took responsibility for anything. Even if she did admit to something, it wasn't her fault.

For people who do lie through their teeth, and actually believe those lies themselves, there is something wrong with them from a mental standpoint. And I have a feeling that's the case with Casey. But still doesn't excuse her if she accidentally did kill Caylee, and then covered it up.

How does it work? If Caylee did drown accidentally, and if Casey had not covered it up, would Casey still go to jail?

Or if she drugged Caylee in order to make her sleep so she (Casey) could go out and party and do whatever it is she did, and Caylee died from an accidental overdose of the drug, is her punishment the same? Or more severe.

 

[lizanne]

I don't see it that way. I think they're just telling the truth as they know it (ie, why they did things the way they did...were basically in denial because they didn't want to "go there" that there could be anything this terrible going on). I think at this point, they're telling the truth, and letting the chips fall where they may. I think that's what everyone is doing.

I agree. I never liked Cindy. To me she came across as too much of a control freak and very agressive. I see her completely different now. She just couldn't grasp that her "baby" was responsible for her granddaughters death. I know I would defend my kids until there was overwhelming proof otherwise.

You can see how painful this is for her.

I hope that someday Casey can tell her parents the truth.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

For people who do lie through their teeth, and actually believe those lies themselves, there is something wrong with them from a mental standpoint. And I have a feeling that's the case with Casey. But still doesn't excuse her if she accidentally did kill Caylee, and then covered it up.

How does it work? If Caylee did drown accidentally, and if Casey had not covered it up, would Casey still go to jail?

Or if she drugged Caylee in order to make her sleep so she (Casey) could go out and party and do whatever it is she did, and Caylee died from an accidental overdose of the drug, is her punishment the same? Or more severe.

It is a crime to mishandle a corpse...but they cannot prove drowning and it is more probable that Caylee died outside of a swimming pool than in it.

For your last paragraph, that is aggravated child abuse if she did that and she can be convicted of murder for that. She *might* get manslaughter....but she is eligible to be convicted of murder for that in the state of Florida.

Purposeful acts that cause death will carry harsher penalties than a death that was truly an accident as a result of neglect (if they get charged with anything at all in that case).

Beat your child and they die--well, it was an "accident" they died, but the actions that led to death were not accidents.

Lost sight of your child and they drowned in the pool, your actions were accidental and might be construed as neglectful, but they were still were not on purpose.

Hope that makes sense--apparently I am bad at examples.

 

[sorcerormickey]

I have 2 things I would like to bring up/ask:

1) Does anyone know if the Police found out if Casey ever actually worked at Universal or was the whole job a lie? I know she had a Universal ID badge, but that would be easy to fake, like any other ID. I know she didn't work at Universal at the time she took the Police to her supposed 'office', but did she really ever?

2) I was thinking about something during Cindy's time on the stand: she was talking about a guy I never heard of (and can't remember his name), the one that Casey was 'smitten' with and he had a little boy one year older than Caylee. He was the one that supposedly introduced Casey to Zanny, right? Has he ever said anything about this Zanny to Police? I never heard his name mentioned before until Cindy brought it up on the stand. And if Zanny is really code for drugging your kid - is he doing it to his own son?

I just wanted to add: thank to everyone on this thread. You guys are a wealth of information!

 

[epcot.girl]

I see what you're saying about the feeling being that Casey accidentally killed Caylee. But if that's the case, why was the duct tape over her mouth and nose? And how in the world could Casey go out partying so much, and carrying on with her life like nothing had happened. Unless she was in denial, but even if that was the case, I still don't get it.

Defence mechanisms (denial, repression, suppression) can be incredibly effective. I've experienced repression myself, as an adult, and it really is rather shocking when it is brought to your attention.

The duct tape could have been a part of such denial.

 

[ols386]

It is a crime to mishandle a corpse...but they cannot prove drowning and it is more probable that Caylee died outside of a swimming pool than in it.

For your last paragraph, that is aggravated child abuse if she did that and she can be convicted of murder for that. She *might* get manslaughter....but she is eligible to be convicted of murder for that in the state of Florida.

Purposeful acts that cause death will carry harsher penalties than a death that was truly an accident as a result of neglect (if they get charged with anything at all in that case).

Beat your child and they die--well, it was an "accident" they died, but the actions that led to death were not accidents.

Lost sight of your child and they drowned in the pool, your actions were accidental and might be construed as neglectful, but they were still were not on purpose.

Hope that makes sense--apparently I am bad at examples.

Ah, ok. Thanks.

I probably missed reading your examples.

 

[Teresa Pitman]

I have 2 things I would like to bring up/ask:

1) Does anyone know if the Police found out if Casey ever actually worked at Universal or was the whole job a lie? I know she had a Universal ID badge, but that would be easy to fake, like any other ID. I know she didn't work at Universal at the time she took the Police to her supposed 'office', but did she really ever?

2) I was thinking about something during Cindy's time on the stand: she was talking about a guy I never heard of (and can't remember his name), the one that Casey was 'smitten' with and he had a little boy one year older than Caylee. He was the one that supposedly introduced Casey to Zanny, right? Has he ever said anything about this Zanny to Police? I never heard his name mentioned before until Cindy brought it up on the stand. And if Zanny is really code for drugging your kid - is he doing it to his own son?

I just wanted to add: thank to everyone on this thread. You guys are a wealth of information!

Casey had worked for a company that contracted to provide photo services at Universal. So she did work, at one time, on Universal property although she was employed by another company. She was fired because she simply stopped showing up at work.

The man she named as having introduced her to Zanny (darn, I've forgotten his name) was someone she had known for many years. However, when police found him, it turned out that he has NO children and doesn't know anyone called Zanny. I think Casey responded to this by saying, no, it was a different guy with the same name but a different middle name. He's never been found. (Because I am pretty sure he was imaginary.)

And if I can comment on defense mechanisms and denial...

Yes, I can see someone going into denial after a traumatic incident. I have known people who that happened to. But there is a big difference between that and making up multiple long, convoluted, complex lies well beyond what it takes to hide the truth.

As well, her lack of remorse and grief could be explained away as denial at the time. But today, she's apparently recovered her memory of the incident (enough to give Jose a detailed description of what happened) yet STILL shows no grief - no reaction at the sight of her daughter's empty bed (something that moved me to tears) or the last few photos of her. If she was a devoted mother, to the point where this mental defense system kicked in, why does she still show no grief?

Teresa

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

I have a sister who can lie through her teeth, and feel like everyone is against her. She never killed anyone, but she's done her damage, for sure. If confronted, she'd yell "Fine! Blame me for everything!" and then give excuse after excuse. She had an excuse for everything. (I say "had" because I no longer have a relationship with her.) Never took responsibility for anything. Even if she did admit to something, it wasn't her fault.

I've got a stepdaughter like this. She'll be 32 next month. Everything is everybody else's fault. We never do anything for her. We favor her younger half sister and treat her like crap.

Before, I might have believed the Casey Anthony defense. Now, after dealing with someone that continually manipulates the truth for her own interest, I don't believe a word that comes out of Anthony defense team. Way too many lies already.

 

[horseshowmom]

I have 2 things I would like to bring up/ask:

1) Does anyone know if the Police found out if Casey ever actually worked at Universal or was the whole job a lie? I know she had a Universal ID badge, but that would be easy to fake, like any other ID. I know she didn't work at Universal at the time she took the Police to her supposed 'office', but did she really ever?

2) I was thinking about something during Cindy's time on the stand: she was talking about a guy I never heard of (and can't remember his name), the one that Casey was 'smitten' with and he had a little boy one year older than Caylee. He was the one that supposedly introduced Casey to Zanny, right? Has he ever said anything about this Zanny to Police? I never heard his name mentioned before until Cindy brought it up on the stand. And if Zanny is really code for drugging your kid - is he doing it to his own son?

I just wanted to add: thank to everyone on this thread. You guys are a wealth of information!

Casey had worked for a company that contracted to provide photo services at Universal. So she did work, at one time, on Universal property although she was employed by another company. She was fired because she simply stopped showing up at work.

The man she named as having introduced her to Zanny (darn, I've forgotten his name) was someone she had known for many years. However, when police found him, it turned out that he has NO children and doesn't know anyone called Zanny. I think Casey responded to this by saying, no, it was a different guy with the same name but a different middle name. He's never been found. (Because I am pretty sure he was imaginary.)

Just a couple of additions to the post above. CA worked for Kodak at Universal and was fired for not showing up as was stated - looonnnggg beforehand.

The guy's name was Jeffrey (or maybe Jeff) - there was no son Zach. He used to work at Universal but barely knew Casey. He certainly didn't recommend the non-existant nanny and didn't drug his non-existant son.

 

[diznygirl]

I see what you're saying about the feeling being that Casey accidentally killed Caylee. But if that's the case, why was the duct tape over her mouth and nose? And how in the world could Casey go out partying so much, and carrying on with her life like nothing had happened. Unless she was in denial, but even if that was the case, I still don't get it.

We can't possibly think like Casey does to make sense of all of this - if it was an accidental drowning we would call 911 and perform CPR. If we wanted to go out to a party, we would get a babysitter, not drug our baby with xanax or chloroform. Maybe the duct tape was placed over Caylee's mouth to keep her quiet while drugged and it accidentally suffocated her. I'm guessing that's what the prosecution thinks, since they mentioned duct tape as the murder weapon.

This will never make sense - maybe only to Casey, but we know how crazy that is.

 

[horseshowmom]

I've got a stepdaughter like this. She'll be 32 next month. Everything is everybody else's fault. We never do anything for her. We favor her younger half sister and treat her like crap.

Before, I might have believed the Casey Anthony defense. Now, after dealing with someone that continually manipulates the truth for her own interest, I don't believe a word that comes out of Anthony defense team. Way too many lies already.

As I mentioned before, I also know someone like this. I knew them from childhood through adulthood. Like this poster, I probably might have been more believing before meeting this individual. Like Casey, they lied at the drop of a hat and included lots of authentic sounding details. They were incredibly manipulative and made their family look really bad to other extended family members who felt soooo sorry for them - right up until pretty much all of those extended family members eventually got burned through the years (resulting in some apologies to the individual's parents).

Unless you deal with someone like this, it's really hard to believe just how conniving they can be - even at a young age. As others have said, nothing is ever THEIR fault, and it is astonishing the lies they will tell.

As I've said before, I was a victim of molestation and would be likely to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she has made that impossible for me.

ETA: That diary entry just days later that talks about being happier than she's ever been and looking forward to things getting even better and then states that hopefully the end would justify the means is pretty telling.

 

[Dee77]

There appears to be different theories of the timeline and testimony given so far, one where Casey left in the heat of the moment after a fight with her mother. I believe that if that was the case, then there would be numerous calls and messages left by Cindy, George and Lee asking her to come back and apologies etc.

Next theory, accidental drowning:
If we believe George that he last saw Casey and Caylee leave their house at 12:50, then why are we still saying that Caylee drowned? Are we supposed to believe that Casey came back after George left for work, went swimming, the "swimming accident" happened, she went inside changed Caylee out of her swimsuit, (a shirt and shorts were found with the bones, not a swimsuit) and made ALL of the phone calls that she made, she hid the body and got out of there before Cindy came home.

As for Casey drugging Caylee all along, how did she not kill her before June 16, 2008? It is a very fine line where giving medicine to a child can be safe and where the slightest extra amount can be lethal, I just can't imagine that Casey was "safely" using Xanax for a long period of time to knock Caylee out and there was no witnesses or other information to back this up. I personally think she may have been using something, ex Xanax or chloroform for a week or two before the child's death but not much longer than that.

 

[sorcerormickey]

Casey had worked for a company that contracted to provide photo services at Universal. So she did work, at one time, on Universal property although she was employed by another company. She was fired because she simply stopped showing up at work.

The man she named as having introduced her to Zanny (darn, I've forgotten his name) was someone she had known for many years. However, when police found him, it turned out that he has NO children and doesn't know anyone called Zanny. I think Casey responded to this by saying, no, it was a different guy with the same name but a different middle name. He's never been found. (Because I am pretty sure he was imaginary.)



Teresa

Just a couple of additions to the post above. CA worked for Kodak at Universal and was fired for not showing up as was stated - looonnnggg beforehand.

The guy's name was Jeffrey (or maybe Jeff) - there was no son Zach. He used to work at Universal but barely knew Casey. He certainly didn't recommend the non-existant nanny and didn't drug his non-existant son.

Thanks for the info...sounds like just more of Casey's games.

 

[joviroxx]

Y'all have been busy on here! I started quoting people than gave up.. Too much to comment on LOL

There is still a long way to go with the prosecution. They haven't even gotten to so much yet. They have the 911 calls, Lee, Amy Huizenga, forensics, cell phone records, police and the infamous interviews and so on and so on. Then we get the lovely pleasure of listening to Baez put on his case. Still trying to figure out if Baez believes this story from Casey or if he's just going with it because Casey says so.

This certainly will be interesting to see. Even though I have pretty much seen most of the evidence in the previous years, there are still things that can surprise.

I have found myself going back and forth , believing different things about the Cindy and George, but one thing that remains constant is that I still believe this was Casey's doing, all on her own.