Canon mirrorless

[photo_chick]

http://www.slrlounge.com/hot-off-the-press-canon-mirrorless-eos-m-revealed

Here we go....

 

[BillyBuff]

http://www.slrlounge.com/hot-off-the-press-canon-mirrorless-eos-m-revealed

I was going to post this but was 10 seconds late...yay! lol

 

[photo_chick]

That 22mm f/2 pancake is enticing. If it's APS-C, has similar IQ to the current 7D/Rebel T#i sensor, and can use EF lenses with an adapter I can see getting one.

 

[Shutterbug]

Maybe this is why Adorama's ebay site was selling the S100 last Saturday for $299.99. Maybe trying to clear up space.
At that price I couldnt pass it up as I had been wanting a small P&S. I guess I should have tried harder. "Face-palm'!!!!

 

[DizzyV6P]

Sadly, the lack of more controls and no EVF will make this Canon DOA. I feel much better leaving my Canon DSLR system and jumping to the Olympus OM-D E-M5 m4/3 system now. Hopefully more lenses will be released with the launch, otherwise it'll die a slow death like the Nikon 1 cameras are doing right now.

 

[Shutterbug]

Sadly, the lack of more controls and no EVF will make this Canon DOA. I feel much better leaving my Canon DSLR system and jumping to the Olympus OM-D E-M5 m4/3 system now. Hopefully more lenses will be released with the launch, otherwise it'll die a slow death like the Nikon 1 cameras are doing right now.

Depends on the price point and target audience. The M5 you mentioned is DSLR range money wise. I am not going to spend $1,000 just to go mirrorless and smaller and start all over again.

 

[webshark3]

Sadly, the lack of more controls and no EVF will make this Canon DOA. I feel much better leaving my Canon DSLR system and jumping to the Olympus OM-D E-M5 m4/3 system now. Hopefully more lenses will be released with the launch, otherwise it'll die a slow death like the Nikon 1 cameras are doing right now.

The Nikon 1 is a small sensor and a pretty hefty price. Canon's should be APS-C.
In this target audience, people aren't looking for integrated EVFs or a lot of buttons. The dedicated movie button is probably the biggest crowd-pleaser. From the reviews, the Oly OM-D evf doesn't perform well in bright light (dpreview), but I never tried it myself. I assume it works well for you?

I agree it needs lenses. But fortunately, Canon is known for that.

 

[photo_chick]

Sadly, the lack of more controls and no EVF will make this Canon DOA. I feel much better leaving my Canon DSLR system and jumping to the Olympus OM-D E-M5 m4/3 system now. Hopefully more lenses will be released with the launch, otherwise it'll die a slow death like the Nikon 1 cameras are doing right now.

Rumor has it that there is another version that will be released for those of us who are feature hungry and like EVF. We'll know what's what when Canon announces it.

 

[HPS3]

I'm a huge fan of mirrorless. I shoot with a Nex 7. How can Canon build a mirrorless camera with no EVF or articulating screen? Besides size, I think that is what hurts the K01. After using the OLED Sony EVF, it would be hard to try another. The OLED is just so darn good.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Rumor has it that there is another version that will be released for those of us who are feature hungry and like EVF. We'll know what's what when Canon announces it.

Yep. It will be their version of the Nikon "K". That's the one I'm holding out for.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

The Nikon 1 is a small sensor and a pretty hefty price.

Supposedly, though, it's a very good sensor. I've seen some very pleasing pictures taken with it.

In this target audience, people aren't looking for integrated EVFs or a lot of buttons.

My opinion only, but I think initially, they were targeted toward novices coming from point and shoot cameras. As they've evolved, that's changed somewhat. The E-M5 is clearly marketed toward the serious enthusiast.

I think many are a bit surprised at the number of shooters who've dumped their dSLR set ups for smaller, lighter - yet capable - mirrorless systems. Others, like myself, have added one to their setup and have a nice system ready to roll on those days you prefer something simpler.

 

[HPS3]

Right now my only camera is a Nex 7 since I have sold my D5100. I'm in the process of picking up another camera to add to my arsenal (tired of changing lenses on the run and want IBIS ). Tonight I went to Best Buy to grab a memory card. While I was there, I decided to play with the DSLR's. After using the Nex 7 for 4 months, the DSLR's seem like large bricks. It's going to be hard to go back to carrying a big camera. I think as mirrorless cameras get better, they will begin to take the place of DSLR's.

 

[webshark3]

I think many are a bit surprised at the number of shooters who've dumped their dSLR set ups for smaller, lighter - yet capable - mirrorless systems. Others, like myself, have added one to their setup and have a nice system ready to roll on those days you prefer something simpler.

My last trip to Disney was the first time I left my DSLR at home. I even left my beloved Sigma DP1 home. What surprised even me was I skipped the mirrorless "tier." I always ment to pick up a mirrorless (other than my DP1 which is a niche camera), but needed a P&S to replace a Fuji F100fd. I picked up the Canon s95. I was so pleased with it that is was the only camera I took last trip (and will again in 3 weeks). I even left my Canon HD camcorder at home.

I'm still really tempted by the mirrorless, just to get the extra IQ in lower light back. But the overall speed, IQ, and portability just make the s95 great for Disney. Now tempted by the S100.

 

[boBQuincy]

My opinion only, but I think initially, they were targeted toward novices coming from point and shoot cameras. As they've evolved, that's changed somewhat. The E-M5 is clearly marketed toward the serious enthusiast.

I think many are a bit surprised at the number of shooters who've dumped their dSLR set ups for smaller, lighter - yet capable - mirrorless systems.

My opinion also, and the path I have taken with a micro 4/3 camera and a full range of lenses. Haven't picked up the Canon for months.

I'm a huge fan of mirrorless. I shoot with a Nex 7. How can Canon build a mirrorless camera with no EVF or articulating screen?

It looks like a mistake on Canon's part. Lenses is where the extra profit is and P&S owners moving up into mirrorless (without EVF) are likely to stick with the kit lens and *maybe* a low end telephoto. Previous DSLR owners will want some sort of viewfinder and these are the people who will spend $1000 on a lens. Panasonic's 7-14 and 12-35, as well s Olympus' 75 f/1.8 are the kind of high end lenses that will sell to those who are moving from dSLR to mirrorless (but only with an EVF).
Perhaps Canon designed their camera a few years ago and did not see where mirrorless has been trending since then?

 

[HPS3]

Well put Bob! The shots you post from m4/3 are awesome.

Talking about viewfinders, tonight when I was playing around with the D60 and D7000 I felt like I was looking through a tiny window. The EVF on the Nex looks huge and bright. I didn't think I would like the transition from OVF to EVF, but now I'm spoiled. I even get to see the live histogram in the EVF along with every other setting . I've never even noticed any problems with the refresh rate.

 

[webshark3]

Perhaps Canon designed their camera a few years ago and did not see where mirrorless has been trending since then?

From what I understand, they knew fully. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place. I know they were building a new sensor factory at the time which would affect their capabilities. They also didn't want to rush out a mirrorless, as it would be difficult to do without cannibalizing their very successful "prosumer" P&S and their successful consumer DSLR, as it would cut into both. IMO, we'll see the G series transition to mirrorless now.

 

[Shutterbug]

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-m/

At $799 I will pass for now. If it was around 600 maybe.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

The EVF is the part you put your eye to when taking a photo right?

Why is that so important to so many?

Before I got my T2i I only owned p&s cameras and I don't think I used the viewfinder once.....

 

[webshark3]

The EVF is the part you put your eye to when taking a photo right?

Why is that so important to so many?

Before I got my T2i I only owned p&s cameras and I don't think I used the viewfinder once.....

I actually spent over $150 on a nice optical one for one of my cameras.
Essentially, part of it is using your camera, like a real camera. Many people are more comfortable using a viewfinder, because they always had one. Other than that, there's some practical uses:

- Bright sunlight washes out most LCDs. OVF/EVF are easier to view.
- Less battery drain if you can disable your primary LCD
- Some people can stablile their cameras better when using a EVF. With the camera pressed against you, you add a little more stability.

I really like the idea of a OVF/EVF, but for me, it just worked out that I rarely used them. For other people though, it's critical.

 

[mom2rtk]

The EVF is the part you put your eye to when taking a photo right?

Why is that so important to so many?

Before I got my T2i I only owned p&s cameras and I don't think I used the viewfinder once.....

I would be very hesitant to buy a camera withou an EVF. It drives me nuts to use a point and shoot out in the sun. I feel like I just can't see what's in my shot like I do with my DSLR. I certainly can't make out details. But maybe that's my rapidly aging eyes. I love my EVF!