Canon mirrorless

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Where did you see it for $250 if you don't mind?

Re: the kit 14-42 on a MFT system....

Do I have it correct that this the equivalent of 28-84mm on a full frame and then about 18-53mm on a 1.6 crop?

so basically if I want to know how a MFT lens measures against a crop I can multiply the MFT mm by 1.25 or divide the crop by .8.

so much math.

 

[zackiedawg]

Something about Canon's mirrorless screams niche (photo enthusiast). You don't see too many consumer cameras without a built in flash. Are they counting on accessory sales or taking a chance?

It's not too unusual in the mirrorless camera market to not have a built-in flash. Many M4:3 models, Sony NEX models, Samsung NX models, and Nikon 1 models don't have built-ins either...I think they are all going for maximum compactness with a larger sensor, so the flash is the first to go.

The only difference is that all of those companies include a compact, special-made flash in the box with the camera, whereas Canon seems to see it as an opportunity at least in the states to churn a little more profit by selling it separately (it seems in other countries including Canada, a speedlight flash will be included with it...just not in the U.S.).

 

[webshark3]

Ah! You're right! I forgot about a lot of those models. And they were successful. I rarely use a flash even with my s95, but I will say that when I need it, I really need it.

 

[webshark3]

Where did you see it for $250 if you don't mind?

Re: the kit 14-42 on a MFT system....

Do I have it correct that this the equivalent of 28-84mm on a full frame and then about 18-53mm on a 1.6 crop?

so basically if I want to know how a MFT lens measures against a crop I can multiply the MFT mm by 1.25 or divide the crop by .8.

so much math.

Don't quote me but I thought m4/3 was a 2x crop. Canon is 1.6x and Nikon/Sony are usually 1.5x. But it's been awhile so doublecheck my facts. Butm4/3 is smaller than Canon's.

I'm looking for where I saw it for $250. I know it was a technology deal on 1saleaday.com recently and maybe even on Woot.com. I'm checking my buy.com emails as I thought I saw it there too. I see it's currently $290 on Amazon.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Olympus 4:3 and Micro 4:3 have a 2X crop factor.

If anyone's thinking of purchasing the Oly E-PL1, I recommend trying to find it with the two Zuiko kit lenses 14-42 and 50-150. I have this set up and it gives you a good range to start. The lenses are quite small, and the 14-42 lens is even retractable, which makes it fairly small and portable. I agree, even though it's an older model it doesn't mean it's not a good one. We just got it last Fall. BTW it does have a built in flash.

 

[webshark3]

Olympus 4:3 and Micro 4:3 have a 2X crop factor.

If anyone's thinking of purchasing the Oly E-PL1, I recommend trying to find it with the two Zuiko kit lenses 14-42 and 50-150. I have this set up and it gives you a good range to start. The lenses are quite small, and the 14-42 lens is even retractable, which makes it fairly small and portable. I agree, even though it's an older model it doesn't mean it's not a good one. We just got it last Fall. BTW it does have a built in flash.

That sounds like a nice setup. I remember the PL1 as being one of the first to have nice wizards to assist "newbies" who just wanted a blurred background, etc. It seems like a camera your could grow and learn with. Start with the wizards; then as you learn, move to Tv, Av, M, etc..
and a built-in flash.

 

[Pugrpooh]

That sounds like a nice setup. I remember the PL1 as being one of the first to have nice wizards to assist "newbies" who just wanted a blurred background, etc. It seems like a camera your could grow and learn with. Start with the wizards; then as you learn, move to Tv, Av, M, etc..
and a built-in flash.

If the built-in flash is the same as the one on the E-PL2, it's hinged so it can be bounced which is a nice feature. Cameta, http://www.cameta.com/Olympus-PEN-E-PL1-Micro-4-3-Digital-Camera-14-42mm-Lens-Black-Black-Factory-Demo-52477.cfm has a refurbished E-PL1 with the 14-42mm lens for $189.95 and also features a one year warranty.

They also have the 40-150mm lens refurbished for $149.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I can't find any information on the EF adapter. Has anybody seen anything about whether it supports auto-focus and are EF-S lenses fully supported or are they partially crippled and manual?

I can't believe they didn't put an optional viewfinder and an articulating screen on this camera. Oh well, wait some more I guess.

Thanks!

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Well, I just found an Asian site that says they reviewed it and it offers FULL functionality with EF-S lenses, a definite plus for the adapter.

I didn't really expect anything different but it's nice to know that it's this way.

 

[webshark3]

I can't find any information on the EF adapter. Has anybody seen anything about whether it supports auto-focus and are EF-S lenses fully supported or are they partially crippled and manual?

I can't believe they didn't put an optional viewfinder and an articulating screen on this camera. Oh well, wait some more I guess.

Thanks!

Is there a Canon adapter? I only saw news of a 3rd party aftermarket one being made.

No OVF shouldn't come as a surprise. The last prosumer models to include them are the G series, and they're so small they're practically useless. I know some people like them, but compared to what a OVF "should" be, the ones that have been built-in haven't been of much use (IMO as always ).

 

[webshark3]

Well, I just found an Asian site that says they reviewed it and it offers FULL functionality with EF-S lenses, a definite plus for the adapter.

I didn't really expect anything different but it's nice to know that it's this way.

Thx. I'll have to look at that. Although adapters kinda defeat the purpose of slimming down the body by making it mirrorless. But I guess it's still a great option to have if you have a huge lens investment and want to use them with the new system.

 

[bob100]

Well, I just found an Asian site that says they reviewed it and it offers FULL functionality with EF-S lenses, a definite plus for the adapter.

I didn't really expect anything different but it's nice to know that it's this way.

the new Canon mirrorless looks interesting, I'll wait and see the reviews and hope the price comes down