Can this briefly be answered without getting political?

C.Ann

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I was at the drug store this morning - sitting at the counter waiting for my scripts to be filled.. Meanwhile an elderly gentleman was called up to the counter to get his script and pay for it and I literally thought he was going to have a heart attack right on the spot.. $277 for 30 pills!!! :eek:

So he proceeds to talk to the pharmacist - and me - at the same time - about how this can't possibly be.. The pharmacist informs him that he has fallen into the "Medicare donut hole".. :confused3

It's something I won't have to deal with for 6 years or so down the road - and my late DH didn't have issues because his medications were through the VA..

So - just exactly what is this Medicare donut hole? This poor man was so shaken up (he couldn't pay for it and had to leave without it), if I had the extra cash I think I wouldn have paid for it for him.. :(

Can someone explain this to me?

Thanks..
 
I personally do not have answers, but I found a lot of info when I looked it up.

http://healthinsurance.about.com/od/medicare/a/understanding_part_d.htm


The donut hole, or coverage gap, is one of the most controversial parts of the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit and of concern to many people who have joined a Part D drug plan.

Although all prescription drug plans must explain the coverage gap in their literature and advertising, the donut hole comes as a shock to many enrollees when they go abruptly from making copayments for their drugs to paying 100% of the cost.

How the Donut Hole Works in 2010

This is the standard Part D drug prescription plan for 2010 required by Medicare.

If you join a Medicare prescription drug plan, you may have to pay up to the first $310 of your drug costs. This is known as the deductible.
During the initial coverage phase, your drug plan pays 75% of the covered prescription drug costs after your deductible is met, and you pay 25% until the total drug costs (including your deductible) reach $2,830.
Once you reach $2,830 in total drug costs, you will be in the donut hole and you must pay the full cost of prescription drugs until your total out-of-pocket cost reaches $4,550. This annual out-of-pocket spending amount includes your yearly deductible and copay amounts.
When you spend more than $4,550 out-of-pocket, the coverage gap ends and your drug plan pays most of the costs of your covered drugs for the remainder of the year. You will be responsible for a copay of $2.40 for each generic drug and $6.00 for other drugs (or 5%, whichever is higher). This is known as catastrophic coverage.
The expenses outlined above only include the cost of prescription medications. It does not include the monthly premium that you pay to the prescription drug plan.

It is important to understand that your Part D prescription drug plan may differ from the standard Medicare plan only if the plan offers you a better benefit. For example, your plan can eliminate or lower the amount of the deductible. And, your plan can pay for generic or brand name medications in the coverage gap.

Health Reform and Medicare Part D

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act signed into law on March 23, 2010 makes several changes to Medicare Part D to reduce your out-of-pocket costs when you reach the donut hole, including:

In 2010, if you have expenses in the coverage gap, you will receive a $250 rebate from Medicare.
Beginning in 2011, if you reach the donut hole, you will be given a 50% discount on the total cost of brand name drugs while in the gap.
Medicare will phase in additional discounts on the cost of both brand name and generic drugs.
By 2020, these changes will effectively close the coverage gap and rather than paying 100% of the costs, your responsibility will be 25% of the costs.

Donut Hole Examples

Charley Smith
Charley Smith takes three medications to treat his high blood pressure and high cholesterol. These medications will cost him about $1,200 in 2010. Charley is switching to a Medicare prescription drug plan that has a low premium and offers the standard Medicare drug benefit, including a deductible and no drug coverage in the donut hole.

This is what his prescription medications will cost in the plan he has selected:

Charley will pay a deductible of $310
He will then pay 25% of the remaining $890 cost of his medications ($1200 - $310 = $890). His out-of-pocket cost during this initial coverage period will be $223 ($890 X 25% = $223)
Since Charley did not reach the $2830 initial coverage limit, he will not enter the donut hole.
Charley’s total estimated annual out-of-pocket prescription drug cost with his Medicare Part D plan will be $310 + $223 = $533 (plus his monthly premiums for the Medicare Part D plan).

Mike Jones
Mike Jones takes five medications to treat his type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. These medications will cost him about $3,800 in 2010. Mike is planning to join a Medicare prescription drug plan that offers the standard Medicare drug benefit, including a deductible and no drug coverage in the donut hole.

This is what his prescription medications will cost in the plan he has selected:

Mike will pay a deductible of $310
He will then pay 25% of the cost of his medications for the next $2520, until he reaches the coverage gap. His out-of-pocket cost during this initial coverage period will be $630 ($2520 X 25% = $630)
He will then enter the donut hole and be 100% responsible for the remaining cost of $970
Mike’s total estimated annual out-of-pocket prescription drug cost with his Medicare Part D plan will be $310 + $630 + $970 = $1,910 (plus his monthly premiums for the Medicare Part D plan).

Sarah Golden
Sarah takes two expensive brand name medications to treat her rheumatoid arthritis and asthma. These medications will cost her about $8400 in 2010. Sarah has selected a Medicare prescription drug plan that has no deductible and no drug coverage in the donut hole.

This is what her prescription medications will cost in the plan she selected:

Since Sarah has no deductible, she will pay 25% of the cost of her medications during the initial coverage period of $2830. Her out-of-pocket cost will be $708 ($2830 X 25% = $708)
She will then enter the donut hole and be responsible for 100% of the cost of her medication until she reaches an out-of-pocket limit of $4,550
Since she has already spent $708 out-of-pocket, she will be responsible for an additional $3,842 while in the donut hole ($4,550 - $708 = 3,842)
At this point, the total amount that Sarah and her health plan have paid for her drugs is $6,672 ($2,830 during the initial coverage period + 3,842 during the donut hole = $6,672)
Since the total amount of her drug costs is $8400, there is still an additional $1,728 that needs to be paid ($8,400 - $6,672 = $1,728)
Sarah will only have to pay about 5% of the remaining drug costs, or $86.40; her drug plan will pay the remaining amount ($1,728 X 5% = $86.40)
Sarah’s total estimated annual out-of-pocket prescription drug cost with her Medicare Part D plan will be $708 + $3,842 + $86.40 = $4,636.40 (plus her monthly premiums for the Medicare Part D plan).
 
I personally do not have answers, but I found a lot of info when I looked it up.

http://healthinsurance.about.com/od/medicare/a/understanding_part_d.htm


The donut hole, or coverage gap, is one of the most controversial parts of the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit and of concern to many people who have joined a Part D drug plan.

Although all prescription drug plans must explain the coverage gap in their literature and advertising, the donut hole comes as a shock to many enrollees when they go abruptly from making copayments for their drugs to paying 100% of the cost.

How the Donut Hole Works in 2010

This is the standard Part D drug prescription plan for 2010 required by Medicare.

If you join a Medicare prescription drug plan, you may have to pay up to the first $310 of your drug costs. This is known as the deductible.
During the initial coverage phase, your drug plan pays 75% of the covered prescription drug costs after your deductible is met, and you pay 25% until the total drug costs (including your deductible) reach $2,830.
Once you reach $2,830 in total drug costs, you will be in the donut hole and you must pay the full cost of prescription drugs until your total out-of-pocket cost reaches $4,550. This annual out-of-pocket spending amount includes your yearly deductible and copay amounts.
When you spend more than $4,550 out-of-pocket, the coverage gap ends and your drug plan pays most of the costs of your covered drugs for the remainder of the year. You will be responsible for a copay of $2.40 for each generic drug and $6.00 for other drugs (or 5%, whichever is higher). This is known as catastrophic coverage.
The expenses outlined above only include the cost of prescription medications. It does not include the monthly premium that you pay to the prescription drug plan.

It is important to understand that your Part D prescription drug plan may differ from the standard Medicare plan only if the plan offers you a better benefit. For example, your plan can eliminate or lower the amount of the deductible. And, your plan can pay for generic or brand name medications in the coverage gap.

Health Reform and Medicare Part D

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act signed into law on March 23, 2010 makes several changes to Medicare Part D to reduce your out-of-pocket costs when you reach the donut hole, including:

In 2010, if you have expenses in the coverage gap, you will receive a $250 rebate from Medicare.
Beginning in 2011, if you reach the donut hole, you will be given a 50% discount on the total cost of brand name drugs while in the gap.
Medicare will phase in additional discounts on the cost of both brand name and generic drugs.
By 2020, these changes will effectively close the coverage gap and rather than paying 100% of the costs, your responsibility will be 25% of the costs.

Donut Hole Examples

Charley Smith
Charley Smith takes three medications to treat his high blood pressure and high cholesterol. These medications will cost him about $1,200 in 2010. Charley is switching to a Medicare prescription drug plan that has a low premium and offers the standard Medicare drug benefit, including a deductible and no drug coverage in the donut hole.

This is what his prescription medications will cost in the plan he has selected:

Charley will pay a deductible of $310
He will then pay 25% of the remaining $890 cost of his medications ($1200 - $310 = $890). His out-of-pocket cost during this initial coverage period will be $223 ($890 X 25% = $223)
Since Charley did not reach the $2830 initial coverage limit, he will not enter the donut hole.
Charley’s total estimated annual out-of-pocket prescription drug cost with his Medicare Part D plan will be $310 + $223 = $533 (plus his monthly premiums for the Medicare Part D plan).

Mike Jones
Mike Jones takes five medications to treat his type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. These medications will cost him about $3,800 in 2010. Mike is planning to join a Medicare prescription drug plan that offers the standard Medicare drug benefit, including a deductible and no drug coverage in the donut hole.

This is what his prescription medications will cost in the plan he has selected:

Mike will pay a deductible of $310
He will then pay 25% of the cost of his medications for the next $2520, until he reaches the coverage gap. His out-of-pocket cost during this initial coverage period will be $630 ($2520 X 25% = $630)
He will then enter the donut hole and be 100% responsible for the remaining cost of $970
Mike’s total estimated annual out-of-pocket prescription drug cost with his Medicare Part D plan will be $310 + $630 + $970 = $1,910 (plus his monthly premiums for the Medicare Part D plan).

Sarah Golden
Sarah takes two expensive brand name medications to treat her rheumatoid arthritis and asthma. These medications will cost her about $8400 in 2010. Sarah has selected a Medicare prescription drug plan that has no deductible and no drug coverage in the donut hole.

This is what her prescription medications will cost in the plan she selected:

Since Sarah has no deductible, she will pay 25% of the cost of her medications during the initial coverage period of $2830. Her out-of-pocket cost will be $708 ($2830 X 25% = $708)
She will then enter the donut hole and be responsible for 100% of the cost of her medication until she reaches an out-of-pocket limit of $4,550
Since she has already spent $708 out-of-pocket, she will be responsible for an additional $3,842 while in the donut hole ($4,550 - $708 = 3,842)
At this point, the total amount that Sarah and her health plan have paid for her drugs is $6,672 ($2,830 during the initial coverage period + 3,842 during the donut hole = $6,672)
Since the total amount of her drug costs is $8400, there is still an additional $1,728 that needs to be paid ($8,400 - $6,672 = $1,728)
Sarah will only have to pay about 5% of the remaining drug costs, or $86.40; her drug plan will pay the remaining amount ($1,728 X 5% = $86.40)
Sarah’s total estimated annual out-of-pocket prescription drug cost with her Medicare Part D plan will be $708 + $3,842 + $86.40 = $4,636.40 (plus her monthly premiums for the Medicare Part D plan).

Wow! Thanks for going to all of that trouble for me..:goodvibes

I think I understand it a little better now..;)
 

My grandmother and aunt wind up in this hole at the end of every year. Because they both take so many prescriptions, most twice daily, they reach their maximum limit sometime around august or september. After that they have to pay a 100% until the new year rolls around. But both of them are enrolled in Humana to pick up some of the costs in the beginning of the year, on top of Medicare. I don't think they ever reach their maximum out of pocket before the end of the year though.
 
I may be wrong, but I think helping folks with this problem is part of the new Health Care Law.
 
If you know of an individual in the donut hole who truly cannot afford their medications (low income and no assets to speak of) please suggest that they contact their local medication assistance program. They are often run through hospitals and they can help a lot! Also some of the drug companies (drugs that used to belong to Wyeth comes to mind) have direct programs.

My mother is a volunteer with a prescription assistant program and has been able to help some people. Since Medicare D began, they are no longer as able to just get one year coverage approved for drugs for low income seniors - they drug companies won't help with the Part D copays.

But it is definitely something work looking into. And not only for seniors, for anyone who cannot pay for their medication!
 
If you know of an individual in the donut hole who truly cannot afford their medications (low income and no assets to speak of) please suggest that they contact their local medication assistance program. They are often run through hospitals and they can help a lot! Also some of the drug companies (drugs that used to belong to Wyeth comes to mind) have direct programs.

My mother is a volunteer with a prescription assistant program and has been able to help some people. Since Medicare D began, they are no longer as able to just get one year coverage approved for drugs for low income seniors - they drug companies won't help with the Part D copays.

But it is definitely something work looking into. And not only for seniors, for anyone who cannot pay for their medication!

I will definitely keep that in mind - should I ever see an issue like this again at that pharmacy.. Acutally, I wish I had known about this ahead of time.. The town in question is extremely small and probably the majority of the senior residents (as well as others) are very low income.. Darn! Wish I had this info earlier..:headache:
 
If you know of an individual in the donut hole who truly cannot afford their medications (low income and no assets to speak of) please suggest that they contact their local medication assistance program. They are often run through hospitals and they can help a lot! Also some of the drug companies (drugs that used to belong to Wyeth comes to mind) have direct programs.

My mother is a volunteer with a prescription assistant program and has been able to help some people. Since Medicare D began, they are no longer as able to just get one year coverage approved for drugs for low income seniors - they drug companies won't help with the Part D copays.

But it is definitely something work looking into. And not only for seniors, for anyone who cannot pay for their medication!

MY Dh is POA for his Mother who is suffering from Alzheimer's disease and we handle all the financial aspects of her care. The medications for Alzheimer's disease are very expensive and we are now running into the donut hole earlier and earlier each year. She is paying almost $1000 per month for her medications until we reach the other side of the donut hole. The months that she pays the co-pays only, the cost is about $450. We researched the medications provided by the drug companies and were told that she is not eligible to participate because she has drug coverage. It is also important to know that even for those elderly that purchase private insurance, the insurance companies are prohibited from offering anything above and beyond the drug coverage offered by Medicare Part D. There is no good way around it.
 
If you know of an individual in the donut hole who truly cannot afford their medications (low income and no assets to speak of) please suggest that they contact their local medication assistance program. They are often run through hospitals and they can help a lot! Also some of the drug companies (drugs that used to belong to Wyeth comes to mind) have direct programs.

My mother is a volunteer with a prescription assistant program and has been able to help some people. Since Medicare D began, they are no longer as able to just get one year coverage approved for drugs for low income seniors - they drug companies won't help with the Part D copays.

But it is definitely something work looking into. And not only for seniors, for anyone who cannot pay for their medication!



yes it is. It also makes me wonder why the store did not offer him the generics or why he didn't get it else where for $4.00:sad1:
 
It's sad that he didn't know about this...I wonder how he didn't know. I live in a building with many senior citizens, and they are all quite intelligent and on top of things, and wouldn't be surprised by their insurance. I should ask MIL if she's dealing with that...I think she has a D plan through AARP and she hasn't complained about anything like that, but she has been more broke recently...wonder if she's just being quiet about it?

yes it is. It also makes me wonder why the store did not offer him the generics or why he didn't get it else where for $4.00:sad1:

Heck, it might have been generic, and whatever he was taking might not have been available at $4.

Hubby takes cabergoline for a pituitary tumor, and it's $48 OOP for ONE pill. And that's the generic. And it's not on the cheapie list at Walgreens or Walmart or anywhere else I've checked. It's a drug also used for Parkinson's.
 
As part of the Health Reform, the donut hole will slowly disappear as change roll out over the next few years, and be gone by 2020. Seniors got checks for $250 this year in an attempt to help out while the new changes take effect.
 
As part of the Health Reform, the donut hole will slowly disappear as change roll out over the next few years, and be gone by 2020. Seniors got checks for $250 this year in an attempt to help out while the new changes take effect.

I think this is a totally false statement which shouldn't be made as if it were a fact. This is nothing more than an opinion and should be stated as such. It's curious how many opinions and theories get farmed off as facts these days.
 
I think this is a totally false statement which shouldn't be made as if it were a fact. This is nothing more than an opinion and should be stated as such. It's curious how many opinions and theories get farmed off as facts these days.
I thought I would look up what Wikipedia had to say, and Wikipedia pretty much says the same thing as the PP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Part_D_coverage_gap

I'd ask why you think it's a totally false statement, but then we'd likely careen way off topic, and I really don't want to go there. :)
 
I think this is a totally false statement which shouldn't be made as if it were a fact. This is nothing more than an opinion and should be stated as such. It's curious how many opinions and theories get farmed off as facts these days.

Well, I thought the same thing as the PP, too...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...alth-care-the-doughnut-hole-will-be-gone.html

The event today at the Holiday Park Multipurpose Senior Center in Wheaton, Maryland -- dubbed by the White House as a “national telephone-town hall meeting” -- was meant to mark the first mailing of the $250 “doughnut hole” rebate checks starting to be sent to seniors on Thursday.

The White House says this – within the Affordable Care Act -- will help more than 4 million seniors by the end of this year.

“Beginning next year, if you fall into the coverage gap, you'll get a 50-percent discount on the brand-name medicine that you need,” Obama touted, “And by 2020 -- it's being phased in, but by 2020, this law will close the doughnut hole completely. The doughnut hole will be gone. It will be gone.”
 
My mom got her $250 check last week.
 
If you see something like this again, I hope you or someone at the pharmacy will remind the patient to call his doctor and tell him/her that he couldn't get the medicine. The doctor may not have written the prescription to allow generics, OR may be able to substitute a cheaper medicine that will (may?) still work.

It could help and can't hurt! Some folks wont think to let the doc know, or may be too embarrassed to let them know. It sounds like it might be pretty common :sad2: and the doctor may be able to help. (by changing the scrip, etc)
 
If you see something like this again, I hope you or someone at the pharmacy will remind the patient to call his doctor and tell him/her that he couldn't get the medicine. The doctor may not have written the prescription to allow generics, OR may be able to substitute a cheaper medicine that will (may?) still work.

It could help and can't hurt! Some folks wont think to let the doc know, or may be too embarrassed to let them know. It sounds like it might be pretty common :sad2: and the doctor may be able to help. (by changing the scrip, etc)

I totally agree with this! (I would hope that the pharmacist would suggest this). Doctor's offices sometimes have samples that they can give a patient. Also, a doctor may be able to substitute a generic, which will suffice until January.
 
I think this is a totally false statement which shouldn't be made as if it were a fact. This is nothing more than an opinion and should be stated as such. It's curious how many opinions and theories get farmed off as facts these days.

No, not an opinion, the law. Please research before you call someone a liar. I with with Seniors every single day, and THEY know the new changes and how they will affect them.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/provisions/donuthole/donuthole.html
 


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