Calling all nurses! (Or nurses-to-be)

Well first, it's 9:50, I'm trying to study for my test on Monday, and my neighbors 8 houses down & across the street are blasting the music. I called the po-po, we'll see how they respond.

So my 1st clinical was this week. The pt I spent the most time with this week is a new dialysis patient, had sepsis, and MRSA positive. She was too weak to lift her arms, but was very alert & feisty (told me she'd spank me if I asked her her name/location/date again! :laughing:) I was helping her get cleaned up, and while I was brushing her partial, she told me she was embarrassed, and never thought she'd see the day she couldn't brush her own teeth & hair.

O. M. G.

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I cried like a baby when I got home. Ugh.

:hug:
It's okay. I was 14, on chemo, had little to no electrolytes, a rash from an allergy, and I had staph in my port. I was sobbing when my nurse had to come in an wipe my rear after a BM. :sick: I wanted to die. But, if it weren't for my nurse I would've been up a creek. She did it, and did it with a smile on her face, and told me she'd seen worse. :rotfl:
Thank you. :hug:

OK OK I know what you're talking about now. Uh yeah, not exactly the same thing. Maybe they'll take a hemodialysis pt's BP over their fistula next.
Oh I don't doubt it. I only go to that hospital for a broken bone. If I am in a true emergency, I'll request they airlift me to the giant hospital 1 hour away with a great pediatric ward and trauma centre.
 
I was shocked. Add in the fact that most ports are only single lumens (one needle), mine was a double lumen (two needles). The only difference between a port and a PICC is a PICC is in the arm while my port was right below my collarbone. And that a port goes to the subclavian and jugular veins.

Actually PICCS and ports often go to the exact same place, they are both types of central lines. And i think accessing something implanted under the skin is a lot more complicated than a PICC, many ER nurses would have never had a chance to do so.
Just a piece of advice, I bet those nurses could titrate drips, and run ACLS codes without breaking a sweat....a little humility might be good instead of judging them for a pretty obscure skill that truly does not reflect their overall skill set. Also nursing is much more about thinking than doing.We have enough people that are willing to run down other nurses , I don't think we need to be part of the problem.
 
Actually PICCS and ports often go to the exact same place, they are both types of central lines. And i think accessing something implanted under the skin is a lot more complicated than a PICC, many ER nurses would have never had a chance to do so.
Just a piece of advice, I bet those nurses could titrate drips, and run ACLS codes without breaking a sweat....a little humility might be good instead of judging them for a pretty obscure skill that truly does not reflect their overall skill set. Also nursing is much more about thinking than doing.We have enough people that are willing to run down other nurses , I don't think we need to be part of the problem.

Not at my hospital. Ports go in your chest, PICCS go in your arm. Very rarely do ports go in your arm. I just think that a hospital that prides itself in its cancer center should be prepared for everything, even in the ER. They clearly were not. And I don't get where you think I'm running down other nurses? You have great hospitals and you have poor hospitals, this just happens to be a poor one.
 
Ports CAN go in the arm as a PICC does, but most commonly they are in the chest. and they both go to the same place , central venous circulation

I agree with Judy, nursing is about thinking, we can all learn skills, and if we do them daily we know them, we all master the area we work in, and the skill set we have from working in that area.
doesn't mean one nurse is more knowledgeable or better than another.
the ER nurse won't be on top of her game if she is floated up to oncology for the shift, just as the oncology nurse won't be either if she is sent to the ER and has to run an acls code
 

:hug:
It's okay. I was 14, on chemo, had little to no electrolytes, a rash from an allergy, and I had staph in my port. I was sobbing when my nurse had to come in an wipe my rear after a BM. :sick: I wanted to die. But, if it weren't for my nurse I would've been up a creek. She did it, and did it with a smile on her face, and told me she'd seen worse. :rotfl:
Thank you. :hug:


Oh I don't doubt it. I only go to that hospital for a broken bone. If I am in a true emergency, I'll request they airlift me to the giant hospital 1 hour away with a great pediatric ward and trauma centre.

I've had great nurses, and nurses who didn't touch me after I had an epidural/spinal, and let me lay there all day. Not sure if that's what she was suppose to do, but she didn't call the doctor after I asked her every time she came in the room if she would.

I don't mind wiping a butt at all. I do it every day with my 10 month old. Poop is poop.
 
Ports CAN go in the arm as a PICC does, but most commonly they are in the chest. and they both go to the same place , central venous circulation

I agree with Judy, nursing is about thinking, we can all learn skills, and if we do them daily we know them, we all master the area we work in, and the skill set we have from working in that area.
doesn't mean one nurse is more knowledgeable or better than another.
the ER nurse won't be on top of her game if she is floated up to oncology for the shift, just as the oncology nurse won't be either if she is sent to the ER and has to run an acls code

Thanks for the calrification on Picc/ports. If two similar things start with the same letter, then I can't keep it straight. I'm in trouble for Monday, we're testing over type 1 & 2 DM, ESRD, & lab values. :scared1:

Actually PICCS and ports often go to the exact same place, they are both types of central lines. And i think accessing something implanted under the skin is a lot more complicated than a PICC, many ER nurses would have never had a chance to do so.
Just a piece of advice, I bet those nurses could titrate drips, and run ACLS codes without breaking a sweat....a little humility might be good instead of judging them for a pretty obscure skill that truly does not reflect their overall skill set. Also nursing is much more about thinking than doing.We have enough people that are willing to run down other nurses , I don't think we need to be part of the problem.

ER nurses have to be able to deal with a lot being thrown at them, and for that, they're awesome! I know I couldn't do it! That being said, the nurses at the tiny hospital near my parent's house didn't have a clue what to do for my dad in hypertensive crisis. Mom had to call the nurse that works for her cardiologists to meet her at the hospital, and she directed the staff in how to care for Dad. She's awesome! I guess it's a matter of what you see & what you don't, & how react when you see something new.
 
Do you keep up your certification as an NP? are you certified thru ancc? just curious because working in the field is one of the requirements for recert along with a gazillian ceu's. LOL. just wondering how you keep the cert up not working in the field as an NP? its the only reason I keep minimal per diem hours going right now so when recert comes up I don't have to retest! LOL

Yes, I do :)

It's a royal PITA, but there's NO WAY I'm taking that certification exam again - lol - and someday I will want to practice.

I worked for 9 years as a staff nurse after I got my MSN, and people were so shocked that I didn't go right away in to an MSN-type position, but I was happy with my job and felt challenged. So then they'd ask why I bothered to get my MSN in the first place. Well, I knew that the day would come when I wanted something different, and I wanted to be able to jump when that time came, without having to go back to school at a time when it would be harder for me to do so. And sure enough, that day came. My current position requires a MSN, and I was offered the job, even though I said I didn't want it, but they made me an offer I couldn't refuse - lol, and here I am :)

Some day I have a feeling that will happen with an NP job too. SOmething will come open that I want, and I'll be able to jump :)

I am certified by NAPNAP. I think their name is something shorter now - lol - oh yes, the Pediatric Nursing Certification Board. Since I don't have actual hours of experience, I have to do LOTS of CEUs.
 
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Thank you so so so much Laurie! This post helped me so much. Can you maybe elaborate a little bit more on the nurse clincan, administration, and NP thing? I'm a little bit familiar with the NP, but not too much, and the others I've never heard of.
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I do agree with the hope personified thing. My nurse had the same exact thing, literally down to the same exact treatment at the same exact time. It was freaky, but she was my hope. I was in a very, very rough spot with depression, and then I met her and everything got better. I want to be able to do that for someone, to make them feel like everything will be okay.


Our uniforms are very boring. We have to where maroon tops, navy blue pants, and a white or navy jacket is optional. Good thing is that we get to pick the style, which as you know is oh so important! Which leads to my next question, what are "nursing shoes" exactly? Our requirement says "White nursing shoes only" (White sneakers are acceptable if need be).
Do Crocs count as nursing shoes? I love my crocs, and I'm assuming it'd have to be the closed top ones?

I feel so silly writing here because I'm only a high school student practicing to be a CNA, while you guys are all at least have LPNs/RNs/BSNs/MSNs.

First off, do NOT feel silly! Nurses should not "eat their young" but I've seen it happen. We all were students once :thumbsup2

As for shoes, if you go into any uniform store, they will know what nursing shoes are. We used to have to wear them. They are ugly - be warned! LOL!
Just google "nursing shoes" and you will see what I mean. Everyone where I work wears Crocs now, because they are so much more comfortable. We actually got the dress code changed to allow them. They were intitally verboten, but everyone wore them anyway - lol. My DD10 laughed and (in a kidding way) asked, "What, were they afraid blood would get in the little holes?" and I replied yes, and she started ROTF, saying she was just kidding about that, she had no idea that was the real reason, but it was. They decided that the risk wasn't big enough to warrant forbidding Crocs. :goodvibes

Now for the bolded question. I've been trying to think of a short way to explain it, and I don't think I'm going to do so well - lol.



A Nurse Clinician, also called a Clinical Nurse Specialist (CNS) is a Master's prepared RN who works with a specific population of patients, usually in collaboration with a physician. Ooh, here's a great description!

http://www.allnursingschools.com/faqs/cns.php

A Nurse Practitioner also requires a MSN, and works more with health promotion and wellness. Think of things an MD does on a well visit. NPs do these things, along with education, and they can diagnose and treat illesses as well. In the hospital, NPs function almost as residents, doing rounds, assessments, writing orders, and doing case management of patients not just while in the hospital, but throughout the course of their illness.

An MSN is also usually required to teach nursing, or to move up in administration. Some places don't require a head nurse (a unit director) to have an MSN, but some do. To go above that, nearly everyplace will require an MSN, or an MBA. Our administrative ladder works like this. Each nursing unit has a boss. The old name for them was "head nurse" but most are called Department Directors, or something similar now. Then there is a Divisional Director that is the boss of all the head nurses in a division (such as critical care). Then there is a Chief Nursing Executive (old name - Director of Nursing or DON for short) who is the boss of all of them. Where I work, she is also an Senior Vice President. Only the CEO outranks her.

Is that all clear as mud? LOL :)
 
Not at my hospital. Ports go in your chest, PICCS go in your arm. Very rarely do ports go in your arm. I just think that a hospital that prides itself in its cancer center should be prepared for everything, even in the ER. They clearly were not. And I don't get where you think I'm running down other nurses? You have great hospitals and you have poor hospitals, this just happens to be a poor one.

What Judy meant (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, Judy) is that they wind up at the same place.

And I understand what she means about humility. You will all see someday when you are nurses yourself, or a little farther into your practice. We all need to respect eachother and our individual experiences. You never know what someone's background is or what the policies are where they work, etc. But regardless of where they've been, their experiences are just as valid as anyone else's. If we don't respect eachother, how can we expect anyone else to respect us? Nurses have enough grief as it is.

We've all worked with people who think they know everything, or know all the answers to everything, or criticize others to pieces. It gets old really fast and pretty soon nobody wants to work with them. Humility means listening and learning from those around you. Respecting what they know and where they've been. Sharing your own experiences but being open to others', ie respecting the knowledge and experiences that others have, too. This goes not only for work with colleagues, but patients as well. And I say this with the deepest respect for all of you. (Just trying to expand on the humility point, which is a really good one and something all of you will come across; not trying to single anyone out or criticize, I hope it's not taken that way.)

One thing I've learned from discussing nursing with others here is that everywhere is a little different. Some things are regional, as well.

Many, if not most, hospitals have policies in place that are unit specific. That means that you must have training and demonstrate yearly competence to do something; work a certain piece of equipment; run certain drips, etc. For instance, on my unit, I can draw off a PICC line, but I cannot access a portacath. I am neither "trained" nor "competent" to do so, even though I certainly know what to do. My practice would be in jeopardy if I did it as I would not be following policy. See? I would not necessarily expect ER nurses to be competent to access portacaths, though I'm sure we'll have many here who say they do. I can say that at my hospital, they cannot. We have IV Therapy nurses whose job it is to do that - throughout the hospital, with the exception of the oncology units and maybe one or two others. So just because someone couldn't or didn't do something, we shouldn't assume that nurse was a dolt. ;)

Welcome to nursing, guys. It'll be the hardest job you ever love. In many ways. People skills are as big a part of it as any technical skill is, if not more so. And yes, critical thinking skills are what the RN is all about.
 
Yes, I do :)

It's a royal PITA, but there's NO WAY I'm taking that certification exam again - lol - and someday I will want to practice.

I worked for 9 years as a staff nurse after I got my MSN, and people were so shocked that I didn't go right away in to an MSN-type position, but I was happy with my job and felt challenged. So then they'd ask why I bothered to get my MSN in the first place. Well, I knew that the day would come when I wanted something different, and I wanted to be able to jump when that time came, without having to go back to school at a time when it would be harder for me to do so. And sure enough, that day came. My current position requires a MSN, and I was offered the job, even though I said I didn't want it, but they made me an offer I couldn't refuse - lol, and here I am :)

Some day I have a feeling that will happen with an NP job too. SOmething will come open that I want, and I'll be able to jump :)

I am certified by NAPNAP. I think their name is something shorter now - lol - oh yes, the Pediatric Nursing Certification Board. Since I don't have actual hours of experience, I have to do LOTS of CEUs.

I thought those were 2 different groups? that napnap is a professional association, not a certification board?
anywho.........you don't have to have any clinical hours in the field?? I have to do 1000 hours, over the 5 year certification period, its not too bad. then i have to have a boatload of ceu's to boot!
You will be a brave one to jump into a pedi NP job after being out of school so long and never working in the field! brave brave brave!!
 
What Judy meant (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, Judy) is that they wind up at the same place.

For instance, on my unit, I can draw off a PICC line, but I cannot access a portacath. I am neither "trained" nor "competent" to do so, even though I certainly know what to do. My practice would be in jeopardy if I did it as I would not be following policy. See? I would not necessarily expect ER nurses to be competent to access portacaths, though I'm sure we'll have many here who say they do. I can say that at my hospital, they cannot. We have IV Therapy nurses whose job it is to do that - throughout the hospital, with the exception of the oncology units and maybe one or two others. So just because someone couldn't or didn't do something, we shouldn't assume that nurse was a dolt. ;)

Welcome to nursing, guys. It'll be the hardest job you ever love. In many ways. People skills are as big a part of it as any technical skill is, if not more so. And yes, critical thinking skills are what the RN is all about.

Really? I'd never heard of not being trained for both considering they're very similar, although they have differences.
I didn't really care about them not knowing how to access my port, what stunned me was not knowing WHAT a port was. I thought that was pretty much one of the things you learn when you begin nursing school - the different types of intravenous catheters. I could really care less if a nurse could or could not access a port, because there's always someone in the hospital who can. But to not even know what a port was, even when described in full? Eh, maybe it's just my small-town tiny hospital.
 
I thought those were 2 different groups? that napnap is a professional association, not a certification board?
anywho.........you don't have to have any clinical hours in the field?? I have to do 1000 hours, over the 5 year certification period, its not too bad. then i have to have a boatload of ceu's to boot!
You will be a brave one to jump into a pedi NP job after being out of school so long and never working in the field! brave brave brave!!

You are correct. I thought that the PNBC was the certifying arm of NAPNAP, but maybe not.

I have to recertify every year. However, if I did jump into a PNP job, I would expect a decent orientation, and despite never working as an NP, I have 21 years of pediatric experience so surely that counts for something :) I'd be at least as qualified as someone just out of grad school at any rate. I have a fair amount of direct patient contact in my current position, and so it's not like I'd be going in totally cold. :goodvibes


imabrat - thanks for clarifying about ports. There's a big difference in not being competent to access one and not knowing what one is. Our ED is one of the top ten busiest pediatric EDs in the country, yet our ED nurses are not used to seeing ports. Most patients with chronic illness don't get admitted through the ED, although some do, of course. Most ED nurses here do not know how to access ports, although they certainly know what they are.

A PICC (Peripherally Inserted Central Catheter) is more like an IV (by which I mean, it can *look* like an IV - it has an external access), although it can do the same function as a traditional central line, which is inserted in the chest, while a Port is implanted under the skin and only accessed if it needs to be used. It's usually a surgical procedure to implant a port or a central line (although lines CAN be put in on the floor, and are commonly done at the bedside in ICUs) a PICC is easily done at the bedside. There are pros and cons for both types of lines, and it depends on why the patient needs access as to which is better for them.

One of the cool things about nursing is the amazing differences in different areas. Even within in-patient pediatrics, the difference between areas like one day surgery, ICU, burns, pulmonology, oncology, orthopedics, rehab, etc, are striking, and when you throw in outpatient situations like dialysis, school nursing, pediatricians' offices, etc, there is no limit to what your job might be like, and those are all jobs with direct patient care. There's still the teaching, administrative, and "desk" jobs, like chart review for insurance companies, or being an expert witness for a legal firm.

As a student, I thought I wanted to work in ICU for the fast-paced nature of the job. However, once I began to work I discovered two things about myself. One is that I preferred to interact more with the patients. In ICU, the patients are often unconscious or heavily sedated (not always, of course!), and second was that "floor nursing" is not the boring thing that TV medical dramas make it out to be. My life as a floor nurse was plenty exciting and challenging, I assure you!


Pea-n-Me is correct - nursing is the hardest job you'll ever love! :lovestruc
 
I still hope over time your viewpoint will widen to not only judge a nurse based on a specific skill set or memorised knowledge, but instead on the ability to make reasoned clinical judgments, and critically think. One piece of critical thinking is know what you do not know......it is never wrong to have to consult references (well maybe CPR :) )

and not to beat a dead horse (I will let this go now ;) ) Acessing a implanted port is a quite invasive procedure that requires a local anesthetic, and specialized non-coring needles.The pigtails and dressings can also be specialised....you cant just pull the normal central line kit. usually only the oncology unit would have these supplies at hand, and the documented competencies necessary to be "allowed" to access the port.

on a different note, I love Nap Nap ! They put on the best conferences. I am a pediatric CNS, and would try and go every other year when I was practicing.


a little out of order laurie beat me!
 
I still hope over time your viewpoint will widen to not only judge a nurse based on a specific skill set or memorised knowledge, but instead on the ability to make reasoned clinical judgments, and critically think. One piece of critical thinking is know what you do not know......it is never wrong to have to consult references (well maybe CPR :) )

and not to beat a dead horse (I will let this go now ;) ) Acessing a implanted port is a quite invasive procedure that requires a local anesthetic, and specialized non-coring needles.The pigtails and dressings can also be specialised....you cant just pull the normal central line kit. usually only the oncology unit would have these supplies at hand, and the documented competencies necessary to be "allowed" to access the port.

on a different note, I love Nap Nap ! They put on the best conferences. I am a pediatric CNS, and would try and go every other year when I was practicing.

I wasn't only talking about the nurses, the ER doc I had was pretty bad too. ;)

All hospitals are truly very different, and it most likely depends on the region. The two hospitals I went to were always prepared for oncology patients in the ER. Even my oncologist would tell us to go to the ER, and he would call ahead to the ER to make sure I could get in. For me, it was mostly for electrolytes and fluids - there's no real reason to be checked into a room for that in an already tight-fitting hospital. Too many people, not enough beds. Ah, the joys of an inner-city hospital. ;)
I had a really good ER nurse who accessed my port all the time, sadly she moved to the Bronx a few months later. I had my port accessed one (notice I said one!) time without an anesthetic. :scared1: I swear I would rather have my knee replaced again without narcotics than do that again. And I only had the 3/4 inch needles!
 
OT post

Judy, I see you're in Idaho so I have to share this.

My DD10 announced out of the blue the other day that when she grew up, she wanted to move to Idaho and live on a ranch.

So I asked her why. (there's nothing wrong with Idaho, except it's a really long way from here! Plus, we've never been there, so I wondered where that idea came from)

She replied matter-of-factly that she liked snow and she liked potatoes. So she was moving to Idaho. :rotfl2:

(I'm quite sure there is more to your state than those two things! but it's funny how kids see things)

And to get back on topic, yes, thinking is the most important part of nursing.:thumbsup2 You have to prioritize, put together small pieces of big puzzles, and know when to call the MD and INSIST they come NOW and when it's okay to watch and wait.
 
Well, I took my 1st test today in my Chronic Health Problems class - got an 82. Not bad, not great, but passing! I heard what 3 other girls got, and none of them passed.

Well, I gotta go wind down, I have clinicals all day tomorrow & Wednesday.
 
Well, I took my 1st test today in my Chronic Health Problems class - got an 82. Not bad, not great, but passing! I heard what 3 other girls got, and none of them passed.

Well, I gotta go wind down, I have clinicals all day tomorrow & Wednesday.


Congrats!!! An 82 is not bad at all!!! Especially when you think about the fact that those other girls didn't even pass! Good luck with clinicals!!!


Oh and I just scheduled my NCLEX exam!!! I take it July 1 at 2pm and I'm so nervous. But at least now it's scheduled and I have an end date in sight!!!
 
This is sort of a silly question, but I think you ladies (and gent ;)) would know!
Is respiratory therapy considered nursing? I have a friend going into that field and I havent a clue.
Thanks!
 
This is sort of a silly question, but I think you ladies (and gent ;)) would know!
Is respiratory therapy considered nursing? I have a friend going into that field and I havent a clue.
Thanks!

Nope, totally different :)

Just like physical therapy or occupational therapy are also two other totally different disciplines.

Respiratory therapists work in most areas of the hospital. They take care of ventilators and do aerosol (nebulizer) treatments and other such pulmonary treatments, they set up O2 and oximeters on patients. In a code, they are responsible for the airway and bag (breathe for) the patient. They also draw arterial blood gases and capillary blood gases. They don't draw venous gases (where I work, anyway. YMMV :) ) They can also do education, such as with asthma patients, although most asthma ed where I work is done by RNs, the RTs are an important part of the team :)
 
It's great to see this thread!

I've been an ADN since 1990. Surgery is my home and my comfort zone. I've worked in a Level 1 trauma center for the past 11 years. We get whatever comes through the door, so we never know what a shift is going to be like. I can't imagine working anywhere else. One case, I might be doing a bowel resection on a 23 week preemie, then the next might be a 46 year old motorcycle accident victim with fractured femur, tib/fib, and wrist, then maybe I'll finish my 12 hour shift with a kidney transplant.

I really couldn't ask for better working hours, either. I do three 12 hour shifts each week, and no call. My team actually works call hours, which means we do the weekends, nights and holidays. If you add that up, you'll notice I have 4 days off every week. I don't have child-care issues (my kids are grown), so it works great for me.

As for which degree, it wouldn't benefit me at all if I had a BS degree. The hospitals in this area have the same pay scale no matter the degree. A BSN is necessary for a management position, however.

Of course there are bad days. You know one of the biggest problems working in surgery can be the SURGEONS! :lmao: But I've found that once the docs get to know you, they know who they can count on. We actually have more problems with lower level residents than attendings. The residents come out of med school flush with their success, which is absolutely normal. They've put a lot into that degree. But it's not very long before they realize their education has just begun to begin.;)

Then there's the never-ending challenge of keeping up with technology. It seems like something new is coming out every other month! From sterilizers to instruments to computer programs to robots, there is always something new. We aren't bored very often:teacher:

One of the best parts of working OR is the teamwork. Every one of us is important in taking care of that patient, and we rely on each other so our patient has the best outcome.

Well I really didn't intend to write a book here!

To all the students...Good Luck in your studies! :grouphug:

My number one tip for getting through nursing school is to have a support system. Study groups are invaluable! And if you need a sympathetic ear, it looks like there's a big one right here on the DIS! :cool1:
 





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