Buying new vs. buying resale

justKim

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Help! New potential DVCer here. We have just gotten the tour and talk at DVC for SSR. Looks great, but we are not excited about the location. We have two small kids that stick pretty close to the MK. We would prefer to have VWL as our home resort. But, I have to say, that I am feeling kind of bird in the hand here. We have a 10% off offer to get our points at SSR, but we have until midnight (honestly, it sounds like an evil magical deal from the wicked witch with the midnight business...) to decide to opt with the SSR deal. I am a bit leery of tossing aside this offer to go with the potential of buying a resale when it is a Sunday and there is no one to talk with to get a firm deal going on a resale contract. I am less than pleased that kindly DVC agent could only give us the weekend to go over this when he and everyone else is unavailable to answer questions. So, I turn to the disboards for HELP.


Any advice from you DVC veterans?


Thanks
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The top three resale agents are.... The timeshare store (DIS sponser link above) www.atimeshare.com (jaki is wonderful) and (edited to add one other that the DIS isnt letting me post here for some reason). You can also find listings on TUG.

If you go the resale route you will need to provide your own financing.... IE pay in full. Points via Disney can be financed.

SSR offers 10 more years than the others... not sure if that will be a factor for you....

And I am sorry your guide seemed pushy.... Once one take sthe tour, they have a limited time to take the offer....

Keep us posted on how your search is going! Good luck!
 
We have refused to take the tour so far, due to the limited time offer that starts when yhe tour is taken... 72 hours I think?

Anyways, with SSR you'd get 12 more years and financing.... I don't know what else they might offer.

On a resale, you'd get your resort of choice. I think VWL is the smallest - 136 units, so the 11 month booking window might become very important in the future as SSR (828 units) fills up and those folks wanna try other resorts at the 7 month window.

Resale would probably be cheaper on a larger contract of 150 or more, but might not be cheaper on a small contract due to closing costs.

But then again, resale is the only way to go if you want less than 150 points to start with... or if you want the aforementioned booking privileges at a sold out resort like VWL.

You might get banked points on a resale, or you might find a stripped contract at a better price.

The Timehare Store has a few 150 to 170 VWL right now at $77 or $78 per point. I think I saw a 78 point contract last week, but it's gone now. You need to talk to them and get on their list.... and call back every few weeks.

I talked to Jerry earlier this year and never heard back. I called him again in Nov. and he said if I was really interested to keep in touch, and that he'd move me back up on his list. When we got back from WDW earlier this month, he called and had a VERY desireable small contract available. We snapped it up and are awaiting the ROFR to go thru. A lot of the small ones listed on their site are pretty much sold when they get it... they just have to make a few calls...

Good Luck

PS. we financed thru home equity line of credit, so it's deductible.
 
Thanks Laura!

Our guide wasn't pushy, just bad timing with our 3 day decision time falling over Christmas.

We have a long day of reading ahead of us. Thanks for the links.
 

arcruiser said:
We have refused to take the tour so far, due to the limited time offer that starts when yhe tour is taken... 72 hours I think?

And where were you on Wednesday to tell us this?! :rolleyes:

But, the tour was good, and the guide was nice for a real estate-type (no offense meant to all of you fine real estate-type Dis'ers out there)

You have pricked up my DH's ears with the term "deductible"! Thanks for the great info.

Thank you
 
General advice is to buy where you plan to stay the most. Reason: it is easy to get what you want at home resort with the 11 month reservation window; it can sometimes be difficult to do so at a non-home resort with the 7 month reservation window.

Whether you purchase resale or from DVC, you will be treated exactly the same once you are an owner. The resale process is really fairly painless if you deal through a broker that specializes in DVC like the Timeshare Store that sponsors this site. In resale, the price is a negotiable item. Also, there are issues you have in the resale market that you need to be aware of and be prepared to deal with:

1. Financing: Disney makes the acquisition of financing easy by using its own financing company. In the resale market, you will have to get financing if you cannot pay cash. If you can do a home equity loan on existing home that would be one of the best ways to go because the rate will be lower than Disney's. If you have to go through the timeshare financing market, what you will find is rates that are higher than Disney's.

2. Closing Costs: Disney's price includes closing costs. For resale, the buyer is presumed to pay them unless negoitated otherwise. Those can run anywhere from $300 to $500 depending on the closing company the broker usually uses and have to be paid at closing.

3. Combination of Above: The key to evaluating the true price of your resale is factoring in the above two items. If you are paying closing costs and you are getting financing at a higher than Disney rate, then you need to do the calculations to determine whether your actual price (sales price plus closing costs plus impact of higher financing rate) is really less than what you would pay through Disney, i.e., that sale price that is 15% less than Disney's may not actually be much of a bargain once you factor in closing costs and financing rates.

4. Points Available: This can be another factor that affects price and future use. When considering a resale look closely to actual points currently available. If the seller has used all current use year points and borrowed and used all next use year's points, you have an issue that you may not even be able to use the contract for almost two years (of course, that contract should cost less than others with their full complement of current points).

5. Dues. Disney begins charging you dues from date of contract sale. If you buy in June, you will pay about 6 months worth of dues, in January about 12 months, because dues are always calculated on a calendar year basis not a use year basis. In resale they usually pro-rate dues also from the time of closing but the difference is you need to pay for the entire rest of the calendar year at time of closing whereas, with a Disney contract, you can pay it monthly through the rest of the year. Also, who pays what percentage of dues are negotiable in resale and this is another area to make sure you raise the issue and negotiate if you have to -- for example you shouldn't have to pay any dues for the year in which the sale occurrs if the seller doesn't have any points to use during that year.

6. Right of First Refusal. On all resales Disney has a ROFR and can purchase the property at the price and terms offered by the buyer. In most case, Disney waives that right after it sees the contract, but it has, in many instances, exercised that right when it believes the contract price is too low--in other words that super-bargain sale price you might see that is significantly lower than usual resale market price may not be something that will get through ROFR.
 
It's my understanding that there will be 2629 units available in all of the DVC properties after SSR is filled up. The 136 at VWL represents only 5% of the available units in the system, or 6.5% of the units available at WDW. And we all know that a lot of the HH and VB folks go to WDW at times. ...lots of folks think those rooms are gonna be hard to get at the 7 month window.

From the anuual report I got these figures on numbers of rooms at each resort:
HH 102
VB 441

VWL 136
BCV 208
BWV 383
OKW 531
SSR 828

GOOD LUCK!!!
 
And where were you on Wednesday to tell us this?!

EEK! Sorry.... I'd heard about it here at DIS.

We have taken two unnoficial tours, via renting points and staying at BCV and OKW. We loved both for various different reasons. On both trips we ended up at DTD almost every nite, so I think SSR would be good for us also.

She really wanted to stay at BWV the year we stayed at BCV, so we still gotta do that. And "The Little Man" is only 2, so I'd imagine he'd like VWL and being close to MK. On our recent trip we went to Fort Wilderness to the petting area and the pony ride, etc... he had a big time.

Gee, I guess I can't say there's a bad one in the bunch!
 
justKim said:
Help! New potential DVCer here. We have just gotten the tour and talk at DVC for SSR. Looks great, but we are not excited about the location. We have two small kids that stick pretty close to the MK. We would prefer to have VWL as our home resort. [...]
Don't forget that DVC is a long-term proposition; either 37 or 49 years. Your children will be "small" for a short part of your DVC ownership; there will come a time when they won't "stick close to the MK" and DTD / DQ will beckon. Also, although it might seem far away, there will be a time when most of your DVC trips will be without children.

Just don't let a short-term situation dictate a long-term choice.

Be well!
 
I had been looking at DVC for a number of years before buying resale. My parents are members and bought new plus several add-ons. However, my reasons for buying resale were:
1) resort. We wanted our home resort to be something other than SSR. For us VWL was the prime spot.
2) price. We not only bought the points for around $72pp, but our costs went way down because the prior owner banked points which we were able to rent out to effectively reduce out overall cost to $60pp with closing costs, etc.

I do regret that the points only have about 37 more years on them, but I don't really see myself going that much at that point in my life. Plus, I am not betting on it, but if they're smart they'll have some program to sell extensions, etc. at that time since it's cheaper to keep a customer than to recruit new ones.

While DVC is not pushy about purchasing... they really are. The 72 hour enticement is very pushy (passive, aggressive) without being in your face. Though it is a smart selling technique.
-Joe
 
Where you wnatto stay is the big issue and IHMO the only issue.

We bought BWV back when disney sold it form Disney and have added points form the Time Share store and via TUG.

We like BWV for Epcot/MGM access. Your milage may vary. Good luck.

Good points above by drusba.
 
justKim said:
And where were you on Wednesday to tell us this?! :rolleyes:

But, the tour was good, and the guide was nice for a real estate-type (no offense meant to all of you fine real estate-type Dis'ers out there)

You have pricked up my DH's ears with the term "deductible"! Thanks for the great info.

Thank you

Didn't the guide tell you, as well as give you an offer sheet, that states you have 3 days from the end of your vacation to call and get the incentives?

If you are still in that time frame and are still on the fence, go ahead and make the call. They will charge your CC $500 and send you a contract. You have 60 DAYS to sign before they will cancel. Plus after you sign, you have 15 more days to back out. Also, you can adjust the total points up or down (150 min) and still get the incentive on all the points you buy. If you don't buy, you'll get your $ back.

While you have the contract in hand, look around at resales and decide whether you want a sold out resort or SSR. With resale, you'll save $, but you'll have 12 less years on the contract, won't have that easy Disney financing and have the contract submitted to Disney fo right of first refusal.

If it's too late to get the incentive, I wouldn't recommend buying SSR for $95.
 
DrTomorrow said:
Just don't let a short-term situation dictate a long-term choice.

I totally agree.

Not trying to talk you out of VLW--if that's what's right for you, then go for it. But remember those "small" kiddies today may not be caught dead in the Magic Kingdom in another 10-15 years. Meanwhile you'll still have 25-40 years of ownership left.

Look at all of the resorts objectively and try to decide which is best for you in the long term. SSR is obviously the easiest purchase to make, and it has the longest contract. For the others you'll need to go resale, which will consume time and energy. The trade off with a resale is that you can save a few bucks per point if you find the right contract.

Good luck!
 
C-o-M has a good idea.... that way you lock in the deal, but have time to look around.


Another tip... When we were looking to add on at BWV, I called Jaki (atimeshare.com) and told her what we were looking for as far as numbers of points/UY?price per point etc.... 2 weeks later (waiting is the hardest part in resale) The lovely BWV resale she called me about NEVER made it to the website, it came across her desk and I was the first person she called. Jaki is on the ball... but you can call ALL the brokers with your wish list.... and see what happens over the next month or two.

And lastly, I feel a need to pitch SSR....

Right now your kids are little, but that wont always be the case (duh) and the location of SSR is wonderful for the preteen-adult sections of life.... The location of OKW is off the beaten path, but we find it idea for a WDW trip... nice to come home to a lazy place, after a hectic day at the parks. Although VWL is closest to MK, other resorts are not far from it.... And now the pitch turns to BCV and BWV, these two resorts are walking distance from two parks..... little kids love walking around the Boardwalk the pools are a lot of fun (Scary clown slide at BWV and SAB and BCV)

I guess what I am saying.... all DVC resorts have their plus's and minus and the DVC contract is for 40-50 years.... Dont just buy VWL for it's proximity to MK, dont just buy SSR for the extra years, mull them all over...
 
having done both i would alawys opt for the resale if you dont need disney to finanace...........if you do need them your choice should be easy..........as for SSR..........i would plan on buying just a starter lot...........ie 150 points and add on smaller contracts at the resorts you want like a 50 pointer at VWL ............but the extra 10 yrs at SSR is big for you in the future.....especially if you have young kids............they will get to use it those last 10-15 yrs where you will have to rebuy if you go at VWL on a resale............also there are SSR resales.............call the TTS and ask them to call you as soon as they have one ..............but remember you have to finance it all yourself
 
Did you speak with your guide about buying a different resort from DVC now? Even though current projects are the focus and carry the incentives, when there is availability DVC will sell a new member, and finance if that's an issue, other resorts that are "sold-out".
 
resales at SSR can be had between 75 and 79 a point based upon contract.............most are coming with banked points too............people who are a serious financial crunch who have to get out fast usually will bargain bigtime in my experience
 
Thanks for all of the great advice. I guess I just wasn't excited about the SSR location. BCV and VWL appeal more to me, not just because of the kids.

And, cruise-o-matic, we did get the 3 day warning, just was inconvenienced by having it fall over Christmas weekend.


We want to buy where we want to stay, and I am less and less interested at buying at SSR. Even if we buy points at other resorts, I don't know that having the SSR points through this deal would be worth it.

Thanks for giving me some more insight into our decision making process. :D
 
JustKim,

Buy where you love it. You won't regret it. We own at VWL, BCV, and BWV. I love a hotel feel (interior hallways, etc.). I would not have been satisifed with SSR or OKW because of this.

If you feel more comfortable buying from Disney, tell your guide how you feel about BCV and VWL and see what he/she can come up with. Disney pays all the closing costs and the points aren't stripped like a lot of resales are (missing the 2005 points - which on a 150 point contract I value that at $1,500). Of course, if you find a resale priced right with banked points and all current points that could really be a deal :flower1:

Good luck!
 



















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