Buying Direct or Resale?

except OKW, where they are resold as extended when ROFRd or reacquired by other means.
Yes but you can also buy extended contracts on the resale market. You will get the same number of years as the extended contracts from Disney but for a lower price.

You can also find non-extended contracts on the resale market so you have to pay attention to the details so you know what you are buying.
 
I guess my analogy more works with buying the newest resort on the market that DVC is generally selling (like the Grand Floridian right now unless you are one of those people looking for add-ons at an older resort).

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with buying resale. But in the end, there will be people that buy new or resale just because they will regardless of the spin that Disney or resellers put on it, or the extra fluff you do or do not get.

Glenndon
 
I guess my analogy more works with buying the newest resort on the market that DVC is generally selling (like the Grand Floridian right now unless you are one of those people looking for add-ons at an older resort). Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with buying resale. But in the end, there will be people that buy new or resale just because they will regardless of the spin that Disney or resellers put on it, or the extra fluff you do or do not get. Glenndon

You can buy grand floridian for cheaper then direct as well I had seen one sell for 130 recently. And I know a few are listed in 130-140 range

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I find it interesting that DVC is the only timeshare that has people that consider buying direct form the developer sensible. It's not a debate anywhere else...

I attribute the 'belief' in buying direct to a misunderstanding of what people are truly buying: the right to use a condominium at a specific Disney developed timeshare resort. Everything else can change throughout the life of the contract.

There's also some who believe that they will be more 'protected' should DVC decide to change its inter-resort trading system. The notion out there seems to be that people who bought directly from the developer will have more choices. This again is a misunderstanding of owning/leasing a timeshare. The bad-old days of timeshares, and the laws and regulations that the original bad-seed deceptive developers inspired, assure timeshare buyers that they are real property that can't be stripped of usage/value.

So I agree that there will always be a debate, but only because Disney is excellent at spin and people don't always understand what they are buying in to.

You're right. I've wondered about that too. Disney causes people to think irrationally. I.e. where else would people find it's permissible to treat 10 year olds as adults in restaurants? By buying direct, they feel they're being loyal to God and country.
 

You're right. I've wondered about that too. Disney causes people to think irrationally. I.e. where else would people find it's permissible to treat 10 year olds as adults in restaurants? By buying direct, they feel they're being loyal to God and country.

We have 3 contracts - the first 2 we bought before there was a resale market for either resort, the 3rd contract we bought direct because we wanted a very small contract (55pts). The one really big plus to buying direct is no waiting and you always get the full amount no matter if you buy 1 day out of your UY.

The biggest plus to purchasing direct is when no resale market exists and the SPEED of the acquisition. Basically, you're paying for time.
 
By definition they aren't the same thing when you say 'other than.' Used cars are the same as new cars in that they will get you from point A to point B the same way, but without the frou-frou options that the new car dealer may give you (that may be totally unrequired), plus the fact that the used car already has mileage on it (or in our case less years until the contract expires). :-) I see the pros and cons of both sides, and this debate will go on to the end of time...

Glenndon
Maybe a better example would have been a used car from the dealership vs the same used car from a used car lot at a much higher price.

I guess my analogy more works with buying the newest resort on the market that DVC is generally selling (like the Grand Floridian right now unless you are one of those people looking for add-ons at an older resort).

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with buying resale. But in the end, there will be people that buy new or resale just because they will regardless of the spin that Disney or resellers put on it, or the extra fluff you do or do not get.

Glenndon
One of my main qualifications is that we're talking resorts that are routinely available on the open market at around half the price and that we're talking a full sized contract. So VGC or VGF would not be applicable to the discussion. They're simply more expensive and one has to decide whether to buy them or not. Buying SSR, etc retail vs resale is only different in the context of the restrictions which do not remove anything of value IMO, it's basically logic vs emotion. Actually DVC did knowledgeable members a service by adding the restrictions because it drove prices down somewhat. The issue isn't whether there will be retail vs resale buyers but rather the reasonableness of doing so. There are always buyers who aren't fully informed and make emotional decisions. I have a friend who I sent on a free trip a few years ago (non DVC timeshare) but I didn't warn him off on the timeshare sales. He bought retail and even though I made sure he was aware he could get the same points for a few hundred $$$ vs the 5 digits he paid, he didn't cancel and kept it. I felt I'd done all I could do because it was his decision to make. If buying DVC retail is the worst financial decision any of us make, we're in pretty good shape but the fact remains it's a poor decision in the situation I qualified. Also, the idea that $5-10K difference up front doesn't move the needle long term is simply wrong, IMO.
 
"He bought resale and even though I made sure he was aware"

I believe you mean retail.
 
I am thinking about buying into DVC. We go 1-2 times a year and stay at moderate or deluxe resort for 4-6 days. We also do dining plan. There are 3-4 of us that go.

Is it better to buy for less at Vero Beach and then reserve at Disneyworld?

I would need some financing, but not sure if I want to pay the huge cost by buying direct.

This year would require a lot of points. We want to go in May for a few days and my son is getting married and wants to go to Disneyworld on his honeymoon with some of the wedding party. We would want at least a 1 bedroom plus a studio. He wants to stay at VGF. I know it is a lot of points for a week in December.

Thanks for any help.
 
I am thinking about buying into DVC. We go 1-2 times a year and stay at moderate or deluxe resort for 4-6 days. We also do dining plan. There are 3-4 of us that go.

Is it better to buy for less at Vero Beach and then reserve at Disneyworld?

I would need some financing, but not sure if I want to pay the huge cost by buying direct.

This year would require a lot of points. We want to go in May for a few days and my son is getting married and wants to go to Disneyworld on his honeymoon with some of the wedding party. We would want at least a 1 bedroom plus a studio. He wants to stay at VGF. I know it is a lot of points for a week in December.

Thanks for any help.
If you can plan at least 7 months out and afford it, DVC is likely a good choice for you given your visit history. However, getting a contract through for a May trip is iffy at best. Also, you would not want to buy more points that you need long term just for a single larger trip this December. VB has MUCH higher fees so buying there is not reasonable mostly for WDW usage, same for HH. SSR is likely to be your best value ifyou decide to buy. If you can afford to go twice a year staying moderate and deluxe, I'd be surprised if you can scrape enough together to buy in for resale at say SSR. I would not recommend financing but there are a couple of companies that will do so plus you might check with your bank or CU.

For the wedding, that's a time of year when you might have availability issues even at SSR but you will not get VGF in all likelihood though you could rent privately subject to availability which might be a problem even reserving today. I would not suggest buying direct unless you're set on VGF most trips and it will be a lot more expensive, like almost triple SSR resale.
 
If you can plan at least 7 months out and afford it, DVC is likely a good choice for you given your visit history. However, getting a contract through for a May trip is iffy at best. Also, you would not want to buy more points that you need long term just for a single larger trip this December. VB has MUCH higher fees so buying there is not reasonable mostly for WDW usage, same for HH. SSR is likely to be your best value ifyou decide to buy. If you can afford to go twice a year staying moderate and deluxe, I'd be surprised if you can scrape enough together to buy in for resale at say SSR. I would not recommend financing but there are a couple of companies that will do so plus you might check with your bank or CU.

For the wedding, that's a time of year when you might have availability issues even at SSR but you will not get VGF in all likelihood though you could rent privately subject to availability which might be a problem even reserving today. I would not suggest buying direct unless you're set on VGF most trips and it will be a lot more expensive, like almost triple SSR resale.

Honestly, this is the only advice you need on this. Anything said after this will most likely just be noise.
 
Is it better to buy for less at Vero Beach and then reserve at Disneyworld?

IMO no. the VB pts are cheap for a reason. (but if you want to roll the dice, feel free.)

We want to go in May for a few days and my son is getting married and wants to go to Disneyworld on his honeymoon with some of the wedding party. We would want at least a 1 bedroom plus a studio. He wants to stay at VGF. I know it is a lot of points for a week in December.

if you are talking about booking VGF in december, you really need to own there and book at 11 months out. december is a peak period for booking at all DVC resorts.

you should have more options booking wdw resorts in May (not this year but generally), but VGF is still new and might be very tough to get.
 
We have been looking at purchasing into DVC as well. We currently are members of Hyatt Vacation Club and understand the points thing very well. We also feel buying on the resale market is a much better deal for us since we don't need the additional benefits.

With that said, we have been looking at VBC. We stayed there a few years ago when DVC was a part of Interval International and loved it. I have seen several people mention that there is a reason VBC is so cheap. Could someone give me some more insight on why. We typically plan our vacation far in advance and like staying at different resorts.

Thanks in advance for any feedback back.
 
We have been looking at purchasing into DVC as well. We currently are members of Hyatt Vacation Club and understand the points thing very well. We also feel buying on the resale market is a much better deal for us since we don't need the additional benefits.

With that said, we have been looking at VBC. We stayed there a few years ago when DVC was a part of Interval International and loved it. I have seen several people mention that there is a reason VBC is so cheap. Could someone give me some more insight on why. We typically plan our vacation far in advance and like staying at different resorts.

Thanks in advance for any feedback back.
Don't assume one points system works the same as another. I can't speak to Hyatt very well other than that when we looked at it a few years ago I seem to recall the banking/borrowing of Hyatt was fairly limited. Maybe there's someone here who owns both and can contrast them better for you. VB is cheap for 2 main reasons, it's not at a park and it has VERY high maint fees. You would pay more in 5 years for VB than for SSR or OKW, the same principles hold for HH but it'd take a little longer.
 
Honestly, this is the only advice you need on this. Anything said after this will most likely just be noise.

1. If you can't pay cash, you can't afford it.

2. Figure out how many points you think you need... Then run spreadsheets on how many you REALLY need. You'd be surprised on how many fewer points you can get away with and still vacation as you normally would... By banking/borrowing and/or adjusting the time of year you vacation, and/or possibly skipping 1 out of every 5 years or so... You might actually "need" a lot less than you think,

3. Remember... Maintenance fees will ultimately be your biggest investment over the life of the contract... I'd stay away from high MF resorts... But that's just me.

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3. Remember... Maintenance fees will ultimately be your biggest investment over the life of the contract... I'd stay away from high MF resorts... But that's just me.
While I agree that maint fees are likely to be the largest long term cost AND risk for most people, I'm not sure it's really as different as many think. It's certainly not as simple as taking the remaining RTU and dividing into the up front costs. You've really got to assume you took the up front costs and invested it. Even if you want to depreciate the up front amount using a portion plus the maint fees you would have paid if one owned for cash vacations, I'd say money market rates for half and long term investment rates for the other half are the worst case scenario. Over the life of a contract the numbers (up front "costs" and cumulative many fees) will not be nearly as different as one might think and for a property like VGF or BLT or even SSR (lower dues), the true cost up front will likely be larger than the fees over the life of the RTU depending on your assumptions of course.
 
How would one go about buying DVC via a resale?
One of the biggest DVC resale brokers (The Timeshare Store) is a board sponsor. Scroll up to the top of this page and you will see a row of "Sponsored Links" for TTS (DVC-Resales.com) including one that takes you straight to their current listings (DVC Resale Listings).

There are a few other reputable brokers as well but I've only had experience with TTS. There are many posts here about people's experience with the major DVC resale brokers.
 















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