Bush picks conservative Sam Alito for Supreme Court

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Opinions? Takes? Needlessly provocative? With Republican governors asking the President to please not help them campaign, does Bush have enough political capital left to get this choice pushed through?
 
I am starting to think Bush should just step back and let a Dem choose the next Justice. It seems, no matter WHO he picks, they will fight it.

Sorry, but popular or unpopular, he IS the President of the United States.
 
So far I am pleased. Having said that, I don't have all the infor on Alito. But just knowing Kennedy and Schumer are ticked is already a big bonus. :rotfl2:

I do think Bush has enough clout to get him through. It might be ugly, but I think he will get it through.
 
Disney1fan2002 said:
I am starting to think Bush should just step back and let a Dem choose the next Justice. It seems, no matter WHO he picks, they will fight it.

Sorry, but popular or unpopular, he IS the President of the United States.
So then what was wrong with Meirs? I mean, he IS the President of the United States, and all...

I can see it now...the Dems will be cast as the "bad guys" for fighting Bush's pick, but didn't the Conservatives just do the same thing about 2 minutes ago?
 

Laugh O. Grams said:
So then what was wrong with Meirs? I mean, he IS the President of the United States, and all...

I can see it now...the Dems will be cast as the "bad guys" for fighting Bush's pick, but didn't the Conservatives just do the same thing about 2 minutes ago?
It sounds like the prevailing opinion is that the Democrats should have NO say-so in any decisions. So much for having a Republican form of government.
 
Bush has proven once again that he is not the president of all the people, only the far right. I could cry.
 
Disney1fan2002 said:
I am starting to think Bush should just step back and let a Dem choose the next Justice. It seems, no matter WHO he picks, they will fight it.

Sorry, but popular or unpopular, he IS the President of the United States.
Let's see, the President has nominated three individuals so far. The only one that was sunk was due to opposition from the Right. Yet, Dems remain the bogeyman? How does that make sense?
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
So then what was wrong with Meirs? I mean, he IS the President of the United States, and all...

I can see it now...the Dems will be cast as the "bad guys" for fighting Bush's pick, but didn't the Conservatives just do the same thing about 2 minutes ago?
Exactly - they never stop and think about whether the talking points actually make sense. We are back to the "deference to the President" argument from the far right. In related news, Sadaam shows newfound appreciation for due process
 
So Republicans shouldn't have fought against Meirs' nomination since "he IS the President of the United States" ?

Or is it only wrong when Democrats take issue with something?
 
Tigger_Magic said:
Can you say "filibuster?" I knew you could. ;)
hey you said the same thing when i posted bush was picking him at like 730 this am
LOL
well atleast your consistent
lol :rotfl2: :rotfl2:
 
Well, now at least we have the answer to who was president during the Harriet Miers debacle..........James Sponge Dob(son).

Alito thought it was a great idea requiring married women to inform their husband's before they got an abortion. What's next......require the wearing of veils and male relative's permission to travel?

My guess............Bush just pooped in his own punchbowl again. Now he loses the Republican middle and the soccer Moms.
 
Tigger_Magic said:
Can you say "filibuster?" I knew you could. ;)

Oh, that's a given, based on Alito's record. How in the world does the President suppose that he has any chance of getting the 5 or 6 Dems to cross the aisle and vote in favor of Alito?

Hmmmmm...maybe the Republicans plan on using the Dems "obstruction" of a "good man" to be a focal point of the 2006 campaign? I guess when you've let your party down on sweeping Social Security reform, the unpopular war in Iraq, the Republican indictments that have popped up lately, the Harriet Meirs pick, etc., you've got to come up with something!!
 
LadyDay said:
Alito thought it was a great idea requiring married women to inform their husband's before they got an abortion. What's next......require the wearing of veils and male relative's permission to travel?

Not exactly:

Judge Alito’s 1991 opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part in the panel majority’s ruling in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 947 F.2d 682 (3rd Cir. 1991):

1. Of the five provisions of Pennsylvania abortion law that Planned Parenthood challenged, the entire panel agreed that, under applicable Supreme Court precedent, four — relating to informed consent, parental consent, reporting requirements, and public disclosure of clinic reports—were constitutional. The pro-abortion groups, of course, maintain that all such provisions are somehow unconstitutional.

2. The narrow divide between the majority and Alito concerned how recent Supreme Court precedent applied to the spousal-notice provision. Subject to several exceptions, that provision required that a physician performing an abortion on a married woman obtain from her a signed statement that she had notified her spouse that she was about to undergo an abortion. Such notice was not required where the woman states that (a) her spouse is not the father of the child; (b) her spouse cannot be located; (c) the pregnancy resulted from spousal sexual assault that had been reported; or (d) that she has reason to believe that furnishing notice would likely result in the infliction of bodily injury on her (by her spouse or by any other person). Notice was also not required in the event of a medical emergency.

3. All members of the panel agreed that the relevant question was whether the spousal-notice provision constituted an “undue burden” under the analysis that had been set forth in O’Connor’s opinions (which all agreed provided the governing legal standard).

4. Alito explained at length why the analysis that O’Connor had offered in her opinions established that the spousal-notice provision did not constitue an “undue burden”.

It is of course true that, in the subsequent Supreme Court appeal, O’Connor ruled that the spousal-notice provision did constitute an undue burden. But Alito’s opinion compellingly demonstrates that the body of O’Connor’s writings that was then available to him supported the opposite conclusion.

So a fair summary of Alito’s opinion is that he read O’Connor’s opinions to indicate that a spousal-notice provision that had all sorts of exceptions did not constitute an undue burden. No one should present the case as having anything to do with spousal consent rather than notice, no one should misrepresent the scope of the exceptions, and no one should read the case as expressing Alito’s own constitutional or policy views (as opposed to his reading of Supreme Court precedent) on any aspect of abortion.
 
sodaseller said:
Exactly - they never stop and think about whether the talking points actually make sense.
And somehow...Terror alert!!!...they figure out...Code Orange!!!...how to...Smoking gun/mushroom cloud!!!...keep getting...Axis of evil!!!...elected!! I wonder how?!?! :rolleyes:
 
LadyDay said:
Now he loses the Republican middle and the soccer Moms.
With a 39% approval rating...that ship sailed a long time ago. The Right's only chance is to shore up the party extremists or lose contol of Congess in '06. I wonder in how many states they can put gay marriage back on the ballot?
 
Galahad said:
Not exactly:

If this isn't an undue burden, what is?

"Subject to several exceptions, that provision required that a physician performing an abortion on a married woman obtain from her a signed statement that she had notified her spouse that she was about to undergo an abortion. Such notice was not required where the woman states that (a) her spouse is not the father of the child; (b) her spouse cannot be located; (c) the pregnancy resulted from spousal sexual assault that had been reported; or (d) that she has reason to believe that furnishing notice would likely result in the infliction of bodily injury on her (by her spouse or by any other person)."

This is an undue burden, an invasion of privacy, and further indication that the Republicans are just paying lip service to "getting government out of your life".

Picture the scene: You're in a doctor's office and want a medical procedure. The doctor informs you that he/she can't perform that medical procedure until you sign a paper stating that you informed your spouse.

I think I'd be safe saying "that dog just won't hunt" with most men and shouldn't be required for women.
 
LadyDay said:
If this isn't an undue burden, what is?

"Subject to several exceptions, that provision required that a physician performing an abortion on a married woman obtain from her a signed statement that she had notified her spouse that she was about to undergo an abortion. Such notice was not required where the woman states that (a) her spouse is not the father of the child; (b) her spouse cannot be located; (c) the pregnancy resulted from spousal sexual assault that had been reported; or (d) that she has reason to believe that furnishing notice would likely result in the infliction of bodily injury on her (by her spouse or by any other person)."

This is an undue burden, an invasion of privacy, and further indication that the Republicans are just paying lip service to "getting government out of your life".

Picture the scene: You're in a doctor's office and want a medical procedure. The doctor informs you that he/she can't perform that medical procedure until you sign a paper stating that you informed your spouse.

I think I'd be safe saying "that dog just won't hunt" with most men and shouldn't be required for women.

No. You said he thought it was "a good idea". He offered no opinion on that. He interpreted the rulings of the higher court. He did not state his preference and as the last paragraph said:

So a fair summary of Alito’s opinion is that he read O’Connor’s opinions to indicate that a spousal-notice provision that had all sorts of exceptions did not constitute an undue burden. No one should present the case as having anything to do with spousal consent rather than notice, no one should misrepresent the scope of the exceptions, and no one should read the case as expressing Alito’s own constitutional or policy views (as opposed to his reading of Supreme Court precedent) on any aspect of abortion.

I just think his opposition are going to have to pick something else to get breathless about.
 
Galahad said:
No. You said he thought it was "a good idea". He offered no opinion on that. He interpreted the rulings of the higher court. He did not state his preference and as the last paragraph said:



I just think his opposition are going to have to pick something else to get breathless about.
Your points are perfectly valid, but remember that judges can disguise results-oriented jurisprudence as merely following dictates that may be far less clear (or even contrary to) the way they are portrayed in the opinion. That's not to say that there are no principled examples of judicial restraint. . .i.e. "while not my preference, I am constrained to rule that. . ." . But's its not restraint just because it is labeled as such. It is ultimately a subjective determination as to which is which, I'm just flagging that there is often more to the issue than just looking at what the opinion says
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
So then what was wrong with Meirs? I mean, he IS the President of the United States, and all...

I can see it now...the Dems will be cast as the "bad guys" for fighting Bush's pick, but didn't the Conservatives just do the same thing about 2 minutes ago?

We'll get the standard reply answer "But that was different"! And if they can work Clinton into this somehow, they will. I don't know much about Alito and will have to read up. The fact that Pat Robertson was positively giddy, tells me a lot already. I smell a filibuster. W, yet again, missed the chance to "unite" us.
 


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