Bush at 36%, how low can he go?

Planogirl said:
Stay with me here. What if they decided that they didn't want any form of representative government, at least not one that is elected. Better? :rolleyes:


Now stay with me here; If they didn't want it, how did it get elected??? Or do you really foolishly believe that everyone wants to live under a totalitarian regime just because its what they are used to.
 
DawnCt1 said:
Thank you for your kind words. It's easy to defend the current policy because it is the correct one. Time will bear that out. The Saddam papers are already bearing out the presence of Al Queda in Iraq as early as 1999 and 2002.

Exactly!

Saddamm was a terrorist supporter for Palestinian suicide bombers and Al Queda. :sad2: He supported those who purposely killed innocents and was a terrorist himself as he did the same.
 
LuvDuke said:
It's called a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites. Again, you can label it anything you want, but it does not make it so. And our military has been put in a no-win postiion as target practice for both of them.

Wrong again.

The terrorists are stirring the pot. The vast majority of Iraqi's want peace and a democratic form of government. They do not support a civil war.
 
punkin said:
It is a civil war. They are fighting with each other because we toppled Saddam and created a power vacuum. The religious and ethnic sects ini Iraq cannot develop a democracy because they have hated each other since time immemorial. Only a tyrant who tramples on civil liberties can make them get along.

So is this a vote to return Sadaam to power?
 

LuvDuke said:
So is it your position we should be there forever?



Attack Iraq for what?



There were no Democrats in the WH while Saddam Hussein was considered a friend to this country.

But while you have your crystal ball working as to what Democrats would've done regarding Saddam Hussein, maybe your crystal ball can tell me the numbers for tomorrow night's lottery. Thanks in advance.

There were Dems in Congress at the time. Did they say they were confused again? Iraq was fighting our enemy Iran.

When Saddam later became the enemy, plenty of Dems spoke out against Saddam and for the need to take real action against him for many years. And now suddenly many Dems and their supporters can't recall this now that GW is President. :sad2:
 
punkin said:
You are so wrong. First you have to define the "mission" I personally would love to have Iraq be a democratic country, but I think invading them and killing Iraqis is not the way to achieve that "mission"

Is our mission there to find wmds? Well that's already failed so let's bring the troops back; is it to toppple Sadam? Well, we've done that so let's bring the troops back. What exactly is the "mission" we do not want to succeed? Getting our troops killed for no apparent reason whatsoever? Yeah, I'm against that.

If you want them to have a democracy, did you think Saddam might not get "elected" again??

We are fighting terrorists. Iraq is a big part of the war on terror. We will leave ONLY when the Iraqi's can handle the terrorists on their own.
 
TnKrBeLlA012 said:
I have not read much of the thread but my thoughts are I don't believe Bush cares what polls say. I think he does not let poll numbers dictate his policies. I voted for Bush and I believe in the choices he makes for the country. The biggest problem is the hate the media has for the man. I have to use my own mind and not be swayed by what I see on tv. I would always hope the President of our country would not dictate policies based on what is going to give him high poll numbers. His job is to do what is right for the country based on information he has. I'm sure there is alot we don't know. I have faith in our President.

Beautifully said! ITA. :thumbsup2 :goodvibes
 
I have not read much of the thread but my thoughts are I don't believe Bush cares what polls say

I agree with you 100% there, Bush (and his masters and toadies) doesn't give a rats behind what anything or anybody says.
 
What the Heck said:
They fought a war for 8 years in the 80's (remember the talking point from the left that the Republicans were responsible for Hussein?) that in some peoples minds is still going on. They hate each other.

Why the hell would Iran invade Iraq when they have friends running the country?

Here's where you just don't get it. They don't hate each other.
The 8-year war was not fought between Iran and Iraq, but between Iran and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Courtesy of George Bush, Saddam Hussein is gone and when the people of Iraq used their new democratic powers, they elected a Shiite-led pro-Iranian government. The only thing Bush did was hand a gift to Iran by getting rid of Iran's biggest enemy. The big winner in all of this is Iran.

The obvious is staring you in the face and no amount of talking points is going to change that.

Bringing it back to the thread topic of Bush's support, this entire discussion proves one thing: Bush's support is down to the delusional, the rich, the "woman, sit down, shut up, I'm controlling your ovaries crowd, and the ones too afraid to accept that the emperor Bush has no clothes.
 
TnKrBeLlA012 said:
I applaud you Dawn. You defend and stick to your believes even if it's not popular opinion on this board. You don't back down from any argument and you always have facts to back it up. You are a prime example of what good leadership is all about. Defend what you believe is right. When things are not always going in a favorible direction you don't loose sight of what you consider to be the right path.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

There's a joke in here somewhere.
 
LuvDuke said:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

There's a joke in here somewhere.


Really? You'd rather have a leader that sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before making a decision?

You would have LOVED Kerry.
 
LuvDuke said:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

There's a joke in here somewhere.

(Only mocking laughter, no debate points, we win again!)

The terrorists are counting on America's knees to buckle, but our President, our troops, our allies, and the Iraqi people remain strong. I salute them. :thumbsup2
 
DawnCt1 said:
It's easy to defend the current policy because it is the correct one. Time will bear that out. The Saddam papers are already bearing out the presence of Al Queda in Iraq as early as 1999 and 2002.

I'd venture to guess Al Queda cells have been alive and well on U.S. soil earlier than that.
 
from MSNBC: (the tagline is Invasion Iraq)

Cost of Iraq war could surpass $1 trillion

One thing is certain about the Iraq war: It has cost a lot more than advertised. In fact, the tab grows by at least $200 million each and every day.

In the months leading up to the launch of the war three years ago, few Bush administration officials were willing to comment publicly on the potential costs to the United States. After all, no cost would have been too high if the United States faced an imminent threat from an Iraq armed with weapons of mass destruction, the war's stated justification.

those are the people that tried to kill his daddy.
 
White House Debuts Iraq War Infomercial

WASHINGTON, DC—In an attempt to gain support among idle and sleepless Americans, the Bush Administration made its case for the continuing war in Iraq in a one-hour paid program that premiered early Tuesday morning.

A scene from the paid program.

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The infomercial, cohosted by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former Dynasty star Linda Evans, was shot in a Burbank, CA studio before an audience of approximately 60 tourists and college-age Republicans.

Produced by the White House Communications Office in collaboration with Excelsior Direct Marketing International, the infomercial was characterized by White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan as "an effort by the administration to show the public that the occupation of Iraq is an unbelievable success, and if they don't understand that, they are missing out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."

The paid program, called Amazing Policies, opened with a splashy title sequence, then cut to the audience greeting Rumsfeld and Evans with applause.

"From what you've heard about foreign wars, I bet you all think freedom in Iraq costs about $500 trillion and 2 million civilian casualties," Rumsfeld said. "Well, you're wrong. Try $238 billion and some 30,000 casualties!"

"I don't know," a skeptical Evans responded. "That insurgency looks pretty ground in. I don't think you'll ever get something like that out."

"Think again, Linda," Rumsfeld said. "If you'll just put on these goggles and look into that screen, you can see for yourself!"

"Whoa!" Evans said, after gutting an underground bunker with a remote-controlled cluster bomb. "It's so easy."

The infomercial was interspersed with glowing pretaped testimonials from coalition partners, American soldiers, and Iraqi business leaders. Australian Prime Minister John Howard was particularly kinetic in his endorsement of the Iraq war plan.

"Don and Linda, I'm here to let you in on the world's best-kept secret," said a wide-eyed, floral-shirted Howard from the beautiful Dunk Island resort off the coast of Cairns, Australia. "The strategy for victory in Iraq is working! Last January, Iraqis went to the polls and elected leaders for a transitional government and drafted a working constitution establishing unheard-of rights for the people of Iraq! And in December, they elected representatives to the National Assembly!"


In a scene from the infomercial, Ahmed Chalabi, Vice President Cheney, and friends talk policy.

"Amazing!" Howard added, arms outstretched.

Ibrahim Ja'lal, a newly elected Iraqi Assembly member, also delivered a ringing endorsement.

"Before Bush's unilateral decision to invade, we Iraqis weren't looking so hot," Ja'lal said, pointing toward a video montage of "before" photos of Iraqi corpses, starving children, and chemical-weapons victims. "But now look at these images from 'after'! They're dancing in the discos!"

The montage of "after" photos included an image of a scantily clad belly dancer, which prompted Rumsfeld to quip, "Ooh-la-Allah."

Evans expressed trepidation about the likelihood of establishing an entirely new way of life in a country we don't fully understand.

"Linda, I hear you—you're worried about the complexity of implementing our plan for victory in Iraq," Rumsfeld said. "But that's the beauty of it. The U.S. government has a team of expert strategists and war planners standing by to make all those difficult decisions for you! And a military that is standing by to answer the call of duty."

"You know, I wasn't sure at first," Evans said. "But now that I've heard the facts about Operation Iraqi Freedom, I can't deny that your argument is airtight!"

"As airtight as this inflatable mattress," said Rumsfeld, gesturing toward a blow-up bed being stomped by two sumo wrestlers. "They can't punch any holes in that air bed, and the naysayers can't punch any holes in our justifications for occupying Iraq with military force."

The commercial is scheduled to air on local network and cable stations across the country through February 2012.
 
Today marks the third anniversery of our attack on Iraq. Ask God to forgive, not just bless, America.
 
Charade said:
Really? You'd rather have a leader that sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before making a decision?

You would have LOVED Kerry.

Nah, too easy. ;)
 
LakeAriel said:
Today marks the third anniversery of our attack on Iraq. Ask God to forgive, not just bless, America.

Our liberation of the Iraqi's, and they and God thank us and bless us. :sunny:
 



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