bringing gas prices down!!!!

[magiccouple2004]

i dont know if this is where to post this but this was sent to me and thought i should share with everyone and lets help bring the prices down:

Let's fight back with the only thing they understand - $$$$$!
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> >> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
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> >>
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> >> This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola
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> >> executive It came from one of his engineer buddies
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> >> who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your
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> >> consideration.
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> >>
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> >> Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit
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> >> close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might
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> >> go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We
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> >> need to take some intelligent, united action.
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> >>
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> >> Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes
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> >> MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain
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> >> day" campaign that was going around last April or May!
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> >> The oil companies just laughed at that because they
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> >> knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by
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> >> refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience
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> >> to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever
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> >> thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
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> >> really work. Please read on and join with us!
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> >>
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> >> By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at
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> >> about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently
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> >> $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the
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> >> oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
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> >> to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at
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> >> $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to
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> >> teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not
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> >> sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
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> >> day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we
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> >> are going to see the price of gas come down is if we
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> >> hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their
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> >> gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
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> >> How?
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> >>
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> >> Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop
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> >> buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if
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> >> we all act together to force a price war.
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> >>
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> >> Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T
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> >> purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies
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> >> (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not
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> >> selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their
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> >> prices. If they reduce their prices, the other
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> >> companies will have to follow suit. But to have an
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> >> impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
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> >> and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now,
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> >> don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and
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> >> I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of
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> >> people!!
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> >>
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> >> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us
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> >> send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and
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> >> those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 =
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> >> 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches
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> >> the sixth group of people, we will have reached over
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> >> THREE MILLION consumers.
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> >>
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> >> If those three million get excited and pass this on to
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> >> ten friends each, then 30 million people will have
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> >> been contacted! If it goes one level further, you
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> >> guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
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> >>
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> >> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
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> >> That's all!
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> >> (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million
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> >> and all you have to do is send this to 10 people....
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> >> Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician.
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> >> But I am, so trust me on this one.)
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> >>
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> >> How long would all that take? If each of us sends this
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> >> e-mail out to ten more people within one day of
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> >> receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be
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> >> contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you
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> >> didn't think you and I had that much potential, did
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> >> you! Acting together we can make a difference.
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> >>
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> >> If this makes sense to you, please pass this message
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> >> on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL
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> >> THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP
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> >> THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK!


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[Rella Bella]

I always check this site about any topic before passing it on...
here's the link for the Exxon Mobil idea.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/e/exxon-mobil-boycott.htm

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I got this in an email a couple of weeks ago. I don't buy gas from Exxan or Mobil anyway, so not sure it applies to me. One thing's for sure, the fat cat from Exxon who retired with the $400 million bonus made my stomach churn.

 

[magiccouple2004]

didnt know that there was such a site but to be honest i think it would make a difference if people actually do it. gas prices are soaring and we all see it in different states and maybe we should actually do something about it

 

[DawnCt1]

I got this in an email a couple of weeks ago. I don't buy gas from Exxan or Mobil anyway, so not sure it applies to me. One thing's for sure, the fat cat from Exxon who retired with the $400 million bonus made my stomach churn.

Whether he made $400 million or $400.00 would not change the price that you pay for gas. World demand is at an all time high. The industrialization of China and their demand for oil is having a serious impact. The issue of Iran. Then the problems in Africa. Mexico can drill in the Gulf of Mexico but the environmentalists block any attempts by the US to do so. We can drill very cleanly in ANWR but that is blocked. The NIMBYs, along with the nuts that control OPEC are driving the price of oil. It won't matter who you buy it from. BTW, Sandy Weil retired with a huge package from Aetna. Now everyone needs car insurance, health insurance and homeowners insurance. Was anyone upset about that??

 

[Free4Life11]

Impractical idea. If people are that concerned they should change their driving habits or buy fuel efficient cars. There's no way people are just going to stop buying from Exxon or Mobil. And if they do what's to say that Shell and other stations wouldn't raise their prices? They would have less competition so they could actually raise prices.

 

[Snow Brite]

I have not bought one drop of gas from Exxon or any of their companies since Good Friday 1989 when they destroyed my beautiful Prince William Sound with the Exxon Valdez spill.

 

[Sleepy]

World demand is at an all time high.

That's just it. World demand. Exxon is everywhere. Here, it is called Esso. The other major company is AGIP and I am not sure what company that one is in comparison. Around here, gas stations are not just on every corner, so people have to fill up whenever they need it.

I agree with Free4life11. Trying to kill the big companies will only make the smaller ones more powerful. It's all about the dollar. You keep trying to kill off the big ones thinking the little ones will make things better is not going to solve a thing because each time a big one is knocked off, that kills more competition and eventually you will end up with a monopoly. Think of what that would create as far as gas prices.

 

[dazeddaisy]

*groan* here we go again. Basic economics ...

from snopes -
Oil companies can manipulate their prices somewhat by controlling how much gasoline they produce and where they sell it, but they can't alter the basics of supply and demand: prices go down when people buy less of a good, prices go up when people buy more of a good, and prices go way up when demand outstrips available supply. The "gas out" schemes that propose to alter the demand side of the equation by shunning one or two specific brands of gasoline for a while won't work, however, because they're based on the misconception that an oil company's only outlet for gasoline is its own branded service stations. That isn't the case: gasoline is a fungible commodity, so if one oil company's product isn't being bought up in one particular market or outlet, it will simply sell its output to (or through) other outlets:

Economics Prof. Pat Welch of St. Louis University says any boycott of "bad guy" gasoline in favor of "good guy" brands would have some unintended (and unhappy) results. Welch says the law of supply and demand is set in stone. "To meet the sudden demand," he says, "the good guys would have to buy gasoline wholesale from the bad guys, who are suddenly stuck with unwanted gasoline."

So motorists would end up . . . paying more for it, because they'd be buying it at fewer stations.

And yes, oil companies do buy and sell from one another. Mike Right of AAA Missouri says, "If a company has a station that can be served more economically by a competitor's refinery, they'll do it."

Right adds, "In some cases, gasoline retailers have no refinery at all. Some convenience-store chains sell a lot of gasoline — and buy it all from somebody else's refinery."
A boycott of a couple of brands of gasoline won't result in lower overall prices. Prices at all the non-boycotted outlets would rise due to the temporarily limited supply and increased demand, making the original prices look cheap by comparison. The shunned outlets could then make a killing by offering gasoline at its "normal" (i.e., pre-boycott) price or by selling off their output to the non-boycotted companies, who will need the extra supply to meet demand. The only person who really gets hurt in this proposed scheme is the service station operator, who has almost no control over the price of gasoline.

The only practical way of reducing gasoline prices is through the straightforward means of buying less gasoline, not through a simple and painless scheme of just shifting where we buy it. The inconvenience of driving less is a hardship too many people apparently aren't willing to endure, however.

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

Whether he made $400 million or $400.00 would not change the price that you pay for gas. World demand is at an all time high. The industrialization of China and their demand for oil is having a serious impact. The issue of Iran. Then the problems in Africa. Mexico can drill in the Gulf of Mexico but the environmentalists block any attempts by the US to do so. We can drill very cleanly in ANWR but that is blocked. The NIMBYs, along with the nuts that control OPEC are driving the price of oil. It won't matter who you buy it from. BTW, Sandy Weil retired with a huge package from Aetna. Now everyone needs car insurance, health insurance and homeowners insurance. Was anyone upset about that??

Excellent post. ITA with everything except Sandy Weill just retired from Citigroup not Aetna. Sandy used to run Travelers that merged with Citibank, forming Citigroup. Travelers was the insurance company. I think they got spun off eventually. Can't keep track. But Mr. Weill did turn down some benefits. He was offered access to the company fleet for the rest of his life but he turned it down and will only accept it for the next 10 years. Personally I hate flying commercial, I'd have kept that perk!

 

[Viking]

*groan* here we go again. Basic economics ...

from snopes -
Oil companies can manipulate their prices somewhat by controlling how much gasoline they produce and where they sell it, but they can't alter the basics of supply and demand: prices go down when people buy less of a good, prices go up when people buy more of a good, and prices go way up when demand outstrips available supply. The "gas out" schemes that propose to alter the demand side of the equation by shunning one or two specific brands of gasoline for a while won't work, however, because they're based on the misconception that an oil company's only outlet for gasoline is its own branded service stations. That isn't the case: gasoline is a fungible commodity, so if one oil company's product isn't being bought up in one particular market or outlet, it will simply sell its output to (or through) other outlets:

Economics Prof. Pat Welch of St. Louis University says any boycott of "bad guy" gasoline in favor of "good guy" brands would have some unintended (and unhappy) results. Welch says the law of supply and demand is set in stone. "To meet the sudden demand," he says, "the good guys would have to buy gasoline wholesale from the bad guys, who are suddenly stuck with unwanted gasoline."

So motorists would end up . . . paying more for it, because they'd be buying it at fewer stations.

And yes, oil companies do buy and sell from one another. Mike Right of AAA Missouri says, "If a company has a station that can be served more economically by a competitor's refinery, they'll do it."

Right adds, "In some cases, gasoline retailers have no refinery at all. Some convenience-store chains sell a lot of gasoline — and buy it all from somebody else's refinery."
A boycott of a couple of brands of gasoline won't result in lower overall prices. Prices at all the non-boycotted outlets would rise due to the temporarily limited supply and increased demand, making the original prices look cheap by comparison. The shunned outlets could then make a killing by offering gasoline at its "normal" (i.e., pre-boycott) price or by selling off their output to the non-boycotted companies, who will need the extra supply to meet demand. The only person who really gets hurt in this proposed scheme is the service station operator, who has almost no control over the price of gasoline.

The only practical way of reducing gasoline prices is through the straightforward means of buying less gasoline, not through a simple and painless scheme of just shifting where we buy it. The inconvenience of driving less is a hardship too many people apparently aren't willing to endure, however.

Nice try, but this far too complicated for the right-wingers
Trying to convince them with logical chains that require more than two steps is futile

 

[AllyandJack]

Nice try, but this far too complicated for the right-wingers
Trying to convince them with logical chains that require more than two steps is futile

Yeah....because John Kerry doesn't own 5 SUVs, a yacht, and a private plane. It's just people who vote Republican. I must have missed that memo. Maybe if people like Liveshot didn't spend his summers touring around in a yacht or flying around in a private jet instead of flying commercial, gas prices would be lower. Maybe if he didn't own 4 homes that needed to be heated and lit, gas prices would be lower. Trying to blame it on people DRIVING is over-simplifying it. Flying, boating, heating, lighting....it's ALL part of the problem.

But, I'll just sink back into my right-wing idiocy.....ignore everything I said because, as long as it's a Democrat, he's exempt from the rules and HIS SUVs are OK and HIS yacht is OK and HIS private plane is OK. It's just me....driving to work....sorry, it's all my fault.

 

[Free4Life11]

Nice try, but this far too complicated for the right-wingers
Trying to convince them with logical chains that require more than two steps is futile

What does this have to do with right-wingers? Seems like it's the hip thing these days to complain about gas prices, whether you are left, right, or purple. If anything right-wingers would support business and capitalism and free markets, not bemoan them and whine when a for-profit company is making a profit.

 

[troy mcclure]

This same email has been around since at least 2000. I've seen different versions of it for other oil companies. In all that time, with all the alleged boycotts, it looks like it's had a real significant impact on gas prices at the pump. (NOT!)

 

[chesirechik]

Oh geez.....not this AGAIN!

 

[Brianne]

In fact, a similar one was just posted a couple days ago. *sigh*

The only thing you can do is to change your habits, your car or move closer to work/school/etc. Boycotting or whatever isn't going to do a darn thing.

 

[Chuck S]

There is nothing to stop a larger company from simply purchasing smaller competitor and changing their name...like SBC bought AT&T and is now known as the "new" at&t.

Same potential for Exxon/Mobil. If they sudeenly see a drop in sales, they could buy Valero or Phillips/Cononco and assume their name, or (purchasing phillips/conoco) assume the old Unocal 76 name*. Most folks would think that Exxon went out of business. Just like when Richfield and Atlantic merged and formed ARCO.

* While Chevron actually bought what was left of Unocal, another company that merged Phillips/Conoco already had the "marketing" rights to the 76 logo.

 

[sha_lyn]

Nice try, but this far too complicated for the right-wingers
Trying to convince them with logical chains that require more than two steps is futile

You mean left wingers right? I have friends on both sides, and not one single "right winger" has sent me the e-mail. All I have talked to, know it would not work.
However my "left winged" friends have been sending the email out all week, most adding their own paragraph at the top about how we must do this to get to our "oil rich ring winged president". How we have to do this to save our children etc. You know, the usual left winged rooted in emotion, not reality BS.
Honestly a couple of them have to be walked though how this will not work. They have to have the simple concept of supply and demand explained to them.

The smaller companies are not going to magically have unlimited access to fuel. When you eliminate the fuel sold by the big companies, the available supply will go way down. What happens when supply decreases? Prices go up, just as they are now. By voluntarily decreasing the supply even further, prices will go up at a higher rate. This would be in the short term. In the long term, the smaller companies would have to purchase fuel from the larger companies to keep up with the demand. The only people who would "hurt" from such action would be the consumers, buy paying even higher prices in the short term. Also the in the long term the "little man" employees of the big companies, IE the fuel delivery drivers, store clerks etc.