Breaking Disney News 3 Major Expansions

Last night in the Q3 Earnings Webcast call, Iger said that Avatar was "a couple of years away" so it seems Disney are still committed to the project.

I don't know how much Disney would be willing to divulge at the Expo, but I don't see it them discussing attractions at this stage.

When he said "a couple of years ago" I wonder if he meant starting the project :lmao:
Seriously with nothing new at D23 I think Disney's given up trying to compete with Universal's expansions. It seems to have realised that all they need to do is carry out the occasional (cheap) ride renovation, while they spread their costs over longer term (5+ years) small to mid-scale park updates like Star Wars and Avatar.

It looks like Disney's all spent out investing in Magic Band (which will generate significant new revenue streams, since its all about increasing per guest spend) and their China parks.

I'll be amazed if any of the Disney Parks has anything genuinely new and exciting by 2018
 
When he said "a couple of years ago" I wonder if he meant starting the project :lmao:
Seriously with nothing new at D23 I think Disney's given up trying to compete with Universal's expansions. It seems to have realised that all they need to do is carry out the occasional (cheap) ride renovation, while they spread their costs over longer term (5+ years) small to mid-scale park updates like Star Wars and Avatar.

It looks like Disney's all spent out investing in Magic Band (which will generate significant new revenue streams, since its all about increasing per guest spend) and their China parks.

I'll be amazed if any of the Disney Parks has anything genuinely new and exciting by 2018

Boom!

I think i just found my soulmate...you stole your post from my mind.

Though i don't think its because of the cost of their radio network and jelly bracelets...i think that huge capital investment in orlando has limited profit potential....they already make a boatload and see that the average traveler is content to show up a week, take their dining plan, buy really bad quality stuff in World of Disney, and go on whatever rides happen to be there.

New stuff aint gonna change that fundamentally...i think alot of the pure fans that remain here think that "Disney Pride" is gonna deliver a full scale world of star wars or five new pixar rides or two new lands in Animal Kingdom...hence all the mentions of Universal "catching up" and other such nonsense.

That is not the economic reality...they are not anywhere close to being threatened in that market...the only thing that matters, attendance and earnings, indicate that.

Any huge renovation is at their whim...not from a necessity standpoint. IF they want to try to be the big dog of construction again and expand or renovate...great for us. But we don't make them do it....we actually hurt ourselves.

They ripped downtown to shreds five years ago and just didn't bother to continue...the place should have been a ghost town...was it?
Nope...just a mental block on PI and more people squeezed into the marketplace and west side.
Repayment on a lack of investment.

Fantasyland is underwhelming...a cute addition but on the scale of Chester and Hesters more or less...and we should take it for what its worth and move on to the next thing...

But no...that is not what will happen. They will beat that thing into marketing submission for five years and right now...i guarantee they are booking trips from people across the world because of that more than anything else...without merit.

Such is life on the thrown.

You know who the champion of WDW is right now? Brian Roberts
...not the second baseman for the Orioles...the CEO of comcast.

a guy who doesn't fear disney AT ALL and has the bank from the largest "screw you" cable company in the country, a major network, and Universal's parks to play with...a guy who likes to shove it in your face.

He might get our star wars land built....
what would disney do if they don't have to worry about it? character meals, special ticketed events, and new repurposed giftshops...
 
I don't understand all of the 'underwhelming' Fantasyland talk. Generally, people don't go to Disney because of the rides, which is why you don't see a ton of new rides all of the time. Most people go to WDW to be a part of the experience, to see the characters and places they love. New Fantasyland does exactly that. Puts you right into the movies with Prince Eric's Castle, its going to put you right into the Snow White movie with the theming of the Mine Train, it let's you eat inside Beast's castle and meet Belle inside the castle library.

It's moments such as these, and meeting princesses inside a castle hall, that create great memories for families, and get them coming back. What do you think a family is going to remember from their vacation... meeting Mickey Mouse (or Woody or Cinderella, etc) or riding Toy Story Midway Mania (or Star Tours or Jungle Cruise, etc)?

The memories I have with my kids that we enjoy the most are of them meeting the characters at character meals, or interacting with the different characters in the parks, and watching them have fun with the characters in the Move It Shake It parade, seeing how much they enjoyed the live shows like FotLK, Nemo, BatB, Disney Jr, etc. Yes, my daughter loved going on Splash Mountain, but her memories of that pale in comparison to all of the other stuff I mentioned above. That is why Disney will continue to be the number 1 destination for vacationing families.

I get that people always want the biggest and best thrill rides imaginable, and want more of them... but if it was just about rides, people would go to their closest amusement park (whether its a Six Flags or Cedar Point or Knotts Berry Farm or whatever) and ride roller coasters and thrill rides more thrilling than anything Disney or Universal has to offer.
 
The above is why CarsLand is so successful, it puts you right in the movie and gives you a great experience. Radiator Springs may be a great ride, but that alone would not be the draw that CarsLand is in totality, which is why they won't (and shouldn't) just do a RSR in DHS without the entire land around it.
 

mvk,

you make great points...and i can only counter with where i'm coming from.

I'm not clamouring for thrill rides or billion dollar high tech interactive fantasies on wheels (what universal is trying to do and has had alot of success doing)...

part of the history of disney's parks since july 1955 has been to innovate and recreate the experiences in them...you've no doubt seen the quotes from walt disney about that.

they did that in florida...particularly in EPCOT and a little bit of a failure but attempt in animal kingdom...

What i ask is that they continue to try to do that. it doesn't matter what they're building...but they used to operate on the premise to do it with no sacrifice of quality and to push the envelope whenever possible. that doesn't mean G forces or ride systems...it has taken many forms.

the utilidor system under MK was ingenious...the water control system across the property...the trash collection and recycling system...electrical control of animatronics and computer integration...ride systems that arent necessarily for thrills...the aquaculture at the land and research at the living seas and at AK...

THAT is as much of the tradition and purpose of the parks as the photos they take with Aurora and sell at Akershus.

its not about replicating the Hulk Coaster from IOA...its about disney leading, not following.

That's what I, as the worlds most paradoxical purist, want.

And fantasyland...lets face it...was pumped as an expansive 5 year project at huge expense that comes off as neither 5 years worth nor a huge expense. rethemed toontown and building ontop of the 20K lagoon.

It just doesn't add to the aura or the tradition...and that is more what i'm personally critical of...

And i got to be honest...the "you go for the memories" is a shield they use against criticism. If that is what youre going for...great and i appreciate that and get much of it myself. but its also a standard excuse for them to use against us. They care about your wallet...not your memory...and if you accept that they are after your wallet...they should have to earn it. Sometimes that has to be with steel, mortar, and bricks....not fuzzy character heads.

again...just my perspective...not trying to judge or insult any others.
 
What's Avatar got to do with Disney?

Same thing Star Wars and Indy Jones did prior to them buying LucasFilms just last year. Same thing Twilight Zone (Tower of Terror) does. Same thing CasaBlanca, Aliens, Wizard of Oz, etc (Great Movie Ride) do.

What's Harrry Potter got to do with Universal? What's Marvel got to do with Universal? What's Transformers got to do with Universal?
 
And i got to be honest...the "you go for the memories" is a shield they use against criticism. If that is what youre going for...great and i appreciate that and get much of it myself. but its also a standard excuse for them to use against us. They care about your wallet...not your memory...and if you accept that they are after your wallet...they should have to earn it. Sometimes that has to be with steel, mortar, and bricks....not fuzzy character heads.

again...just my perspective...not trying to judge or insult any others.

You mentioned the infrastructure (and the like) items like water control, utilidors, etc., I think they've kept that up with things such as Fastpass, Photopass, and what they are developing now in the MagicBand and FP+. People mock the MagicBand and FP+ but I'm guessing, just like with FP, that in 5-10 years, we wouldn't want to go without it.

The DDP might be something to ensure you eat on property, and has limited the variety a bit, but it has made things very convenient for guests, and that is a plus.

I don't think there is any question that I have gotten value from my Disney vacations the past few years. And I understand that they as a company don't care as much about your memories as they do making money, but they do a really good job at creating memories nonetheless, with their products, services, attractions, and experiences.
 
I don't understand all of the 'underwhelming' Fantasyland talk. Generally, people don't go to Disney because of the rides, which is why you don't see a ton of new rides all of the time. Most people go to WDW to be a part of the experience, to see the characters and places they love. New Fantasyland does exactly that. Puts you right into the movies with Prince Eric's Castle, its going to put you right into the Snow White movie with the theming of the Mine Train, it let's you eat inside Beast's castle and meet Belle inside the castle library.

It's moments such as these, and meeting princesses inside a castle hall, that create great memories for families, and get them coming back. What do you think a family is going to remember from their vacation... meeting Mickey Mouse (or Woody or Cinderella, etc) or riding Toy Story Midway Mania (or Star Tours or Jungle Cruise, etc)?

The memories I have with my kids that we enjoy the most are of them meeting the characters at character meals, or interacting with the different characters in the parks, and watching them have fun with the characters in the Move It Shake It parade, seeing how much they enjoyed the live shows like FotLK, Nemo, BatB, Disney Jr, etc. Yes, my daughter loved going on Splash Mountain, but her memories of that pale in comparison to all of the other stuff I mentioned above. That is why Disney will continue to be the number 1 destination for vacationing families.

I get that people always want the biggest and best thrill rides imaginable, and want more of them... but if it was just about rides, people would go to their closest amusement park (whether its a Six Flags or Cedar Point or Knotts Berry Farm or whatever) and ride roller coasters and thrill rides more thrilling than anything Disney or Universal has to offer.

Here's my 2 cents on this as someone who grew up going to Disney...

My love for Disney wasn't because they had the most exciting attractions, or the best meet and greets. I'll freely admit that my love of Disney came from the overall experience I had when I was a kid.

The problem is that Disney has diluted and changed that experience to the point that I'm not sure people today can really get that same type of memory generating experience that I had growing up.

Growing up, as LockedOut mentioned, Disney was always at the forefront with their attractions. They were unique. They were exciting. They put me into new and exciting places and really stuck with me. meeting a character was a cool little thing that could happen, but it was a lot more spontaneous when you saw them around the park.

But now? Many of those attractions that were totaly unique Disney have lost the magic, or disappeared (at least, outside of the "untouchable" attractions in the MK). I've come to realize over the past several years that EPCOT Center was probably my favorite park when I was younger, and there is NOTHING left there today which I loved as a kid.

The spontaneous character interactions you used to get have been replaced with paid character meals or long waits for a structured meet and greet. The crowds at the park, combined with society's general degredation into a very selfish me-centered outlook have almost necessitated this since they can't have a popular character just show up on mainstreet anymore and expect people to behave in a rational and orderly fashion, unless are forced to wait their turn. But the end result.... It's not quite as magical when you are paying $50 for a "eh" quality meal and the chance to see a character for a few minutes.... or waiting in another queue line for 30min+ to get your 2minutes with a character.

The Unique Disney attractions which really stuck with me and are the core of my memories? Watered down, closed, or completely rethemed to be a sad shell of it's former glory, all in the name of "synergy" and bringing in the characters from movies which can sell more merchandise. The unique humor, storytelling, and experiences that you could only get a Disney park has all but disappeared in the name of bringing you more Pixar attractions. And Good luck getting Disney to actually build a new, original, and unique attraction today that doesn't use some already popular character or story as a crutch.

So for me.... when I weigh New Fantasyland against what Disney used to bring us.... It falls short. It's nice, and the theming is great and better then anything you will ever find at a local SixFlags or Cedar Faire type park.... But ultimately it's window dressing for ANOTHER couple structured meet and greets, and a ride which just tells you the Little Mermaid story you are already familiar with because of the movie. (and another needed tableservice restaurant).

Compare this with the attraction that used to be located on that land....20k Leagues. That was an attraction that yes, was based off a film based off a Jules Verne story...But the experience was unique and told it's own story. Even though it ultimately was a 1/2 submerged bus riding around a track with scenery on either side, to those who rode it you were experiencing something totally unique. You actually felt and thought you were diving to the depths of the ocean and seeing things you couldn't see anywhere else. It was based around the Verne Story and movie, but you didn't need to be familiar with it because it told a completely self contained story within the attraction that did not require or assume you already knew the source material. With Mermaid however, It's another omnimover (which I have no problems with) that takes you past key scenes of a movie with the assumption you know what's going on in the story. If you don't know the story and movie already, It can be very confusing since it jumps around from scene to scene without anything to really fill in those gaps.


So for me, personally..... I could care less if we got another major thrill attraction. What I would like though is for Disney to once again give us something that catches that unique Disney essence thru their ability to tell a new and unique story in it's entirety in the attraction..... without relying on knowing or being familiar with some sort of Disney source material from another media.

(Think about the difference between new and old star tours. Star Tours v1 didn't require much knowledge of the Star Wars universe. It was a pretty self contained story of a space tour company with a malfunctioning pilot droid who ended up taking you to some areas you didn't need to be in. There was a tie in to the movies... but you ultimately didn't need to know anything about them in order to enjoy the attraction and know what was happening. Star tours V2? It's a lot more jumpy and relies a lot more on knowledge of the Star Wars Universe in order to appreciate or understand the different locations and situations you run into. TBH, It's almost like the whole "spy" storyline was an afterthought to tie the whole thing together.)



disneys been purchasing outside properties for their theme parks since 1987

Even before that if you factor in the Development time. Star Tours' official open was 1987, but it was in the works for several years before that.
 
The Unique Disney attractions which really stuck with me and are the core of my memories? Watered down, closed, or completely rethemed to be a sad shell of it's former glory, all in the name of "synergy" and bringing in the characters from movies which can sell more merchandise. The unique humor, storytelling, and experiences that you could only get a Disney park has all but disappeared in the name of bringing you more Pixar attractions. And Good luck getting Disney to actually build a new, original, and unique attraction today that doesn't use some already popular character or story as a crutch.

In the last 10-15 years, many of the major attractions they've built at WDW haven't had popular Disney character or story tie-ins.

Expedition Everest
Kali River Rapids
Countdown to Extinction (rethemed to Dinosaur, which really wasn't popular)
Test Track
Rock n Roller Coaster
Mission: Space
Soarin

Those are all pretty major attractions, as opposed to stuff like Monsters Inc Laugh Floor, The Seas with Nemo/Turtle Talk with Crush, etc. Yes, the stuff in new Fantasyland is character related, but all of Fantasyland always was, outside of It's a Small World.
 
In the last 10-15 years, many of the major attractions they've built at WDW haven't had popular Disney character or story tie-ins.

Expedition Everest
Kali River Rapids
Countdown to Extinction (rethemed to Dinosaur, which really wasn't popular)
Test Track
Rock n Roller Coaster
Mission: Space
Soarin

Those are all pretty major attractions, as opposed to stuff like Monsters Inc Laugh Floor, The Seas with Nemo/Turtle Talk with Crush, etc. Yes, the stuff in new Fantasyland is character related, but all of Fantasyland always was, outside of It's a Small World.


I'll also be willing to go on record to say that none of the attractions you mentioned are really on the same level of storytelling and pure timeless ability to generate memories that the Disney attractions of old did..... Spaceship Earth...Seabase Alpha (Living Seas)....Horizons....World of Motion.... The original Journey into Imagination.... Pirates of the Carribean... Haunted Mansion... Mission to Mars... etc.

You have a couple of Coasters with a slim (and ultimately not really needed or used) story wrapped around them......One of which has had it's major setpiece used to complete the story in a broken state since shortly after it opened.

A classic river-rapids type ride wrapped with a forgettable story (and being an almost forgettable example of a river rapids ride).

A cool little simulator / theater hybrid type attraction.... which basically doesn't have any real story to it as they just jump you from scene to scene.

And then a couple interesting and unique attractions.... but which again... the story has ultimately taken a backseat to the ride system.



Personally.... I miss the days when Disney designed attractions around the story, and the ride system was used as a tool to move the guest thru the story. Instead lately it's almost become more of a "We have a cool ride system..... what kinda story can we do around it?"



Hmmmm.... ya know.... now that I think about it, this has a LOT of similarities to the issues the Disney Studio when thru after Walt's Death.

When Walt was alive, the animation studios worked off the storyboards to create their films. Walt was heavily involved with the films and you ended up with a classic story and amazing visuals.

After Walt died.... The animation studios continued to work off the storyboards like they always did. But while the final result still had the same great look, the stories seemed to suffer.

It took a little while before someone realized that while they never worked off a screenplay/script in making the animated features, When Walt was around and involved he was so familiar with the story and was such a great storyteller that he was in essence filling the duty of the script/screenplay in keeping the story moving and paced correctly.

After that realization, Disney Animation started using a script for the story, which the storyboards where then set up based off of. The story quality in their films once again started to improve.


I'm wondering if we are starting to see the same type of issue within imagineering. As more and more of the "old school" imagineers have retired or left the company, I'm wondering if their overall vision and story driven approach to projects has been lost and replaced by the newer generation which tends to be focused more on the visual or technological approach to the projects. (Just look at Rodhe. The guy is an amazing artist, but when you look at his approach in projects like Maelstrom and Animal Kingdom, He appears to be much more focused on the small details, authenticity, and realism, within the settings and attractions than some of the other aspects that maybe he should focus more on (story...budget....etc))
 
Expedition Everest
Kali River Rapids
Countdown to Extinction (rethemed to Dinosaur, which really wasn't popular)
Test Track
Rock n Roller Coaster
Mission: Space
Soarin
.

Not to pile on...

But of those rides listed...only rock n roller coaster and soarin' get much praise for being successful without controversy or technical problems... Or in the case of Kali... Never ever mentioned at all.

And even the two aren't perfect... Rock n roller is an off the shelf built by vekoma...the kind of thing Disney purists revile...and soarin is a clone that is a pretty simple concept.

Ctx is a good ride...but it gets alot
Of grief for being a budget version of IJA in Disneyland...
 
Well, whether that is the case or not, the point remains that they have built attractions based on original concepts lately, they're not just putting rides together and slapping the latest Pixar franchise on it. Though that is what it seems what the general public wants - see calls for Monsters Inc Doors coaster and WDW version of CarsLand. I've seen desire for Wall-E attractions and Up attractions and the Incredibles attractions. Now, is that a bad thing? I don't think so - people want what they're familiar with, they want to be a part of the Disney Experience, which includes the beloved characters they know so well from the movies.

Is there a balance to be had between giving people what they want/know and designing something truly original? Sure, and I think they've done a good job doing so, though in the future it is looking like most of the stuff that is going to come down the pipeline will be character/movie driven - Avatar, Star Wars, Pixar (of some sort in DHS backlot, likely Cars), Marvel (out west, overseas, and on the seas/cruise ships), etc.

The small details, authenticity, realism, settings, etc. are more and more becoming the story - see what was done over at Universal with Harry Potter. They've been lauded for how authentic everything looks... and I'm guessing that is what WDW is going to be doing for Avatar and Star Wars... its what they've done with CarsLand, Expedition Everest, and new Fantasyland. Maybe it is part the dumbing down of society to not have the patience to learn/experience something new, maybe part of it is expecting the ever-growing non-English speaking guests from around the world not being able to comprehend non-characther driven attractions due to language barriers, maybe part of it is less talented imagineers. Whatever the case, these new attractions they are putting out are still great attractions, if not quite on the level of Splash, Big Thunder, Pirates, Haunted Mansion, etc.
 
Not to pile on...

But of those rides listed...only rock n roller coaster and soarin' get much praise for being successful without controversy or technical problems... Or in the case of Kali... Never ever mentioned at all.

And even the two aren't perfect... Rock n roller is an off the shelf built by vekoma...the kind of thing Disney purists revile...and soarin is a clone that is a pretty simple concept.

Ctx is a good ride...but it gets alot
Of grief for being a budget version of IJA in Disneyland...

Point remains, they were new attractions that weren't based upon Pixar characters, or any other established Disney characters, as the poster suggested was the only thing being built.
 
Well, whether that is the case or not, the point remains that they have built attractions based on original concepts lately, they're not just putting rides together and slapping the latest Pixar franchise on it. Though that is what it seems what the general public wants - see calls for Monsters Inc Doors coaster and WDW version of CarsLand. I've seen desire for Wall-E attractions and Up attractions and the Incredibles attractions. Now, is that a bad thing? I don't think so - people want what they're familiar with, they want to be a part of the Disney Experience, which includes the beloved characters they know so well from the movies.

Is there a balance to be had between giving people what they want/know and designing something truly original? Sure, and I think they've done a good job doing so, though in the future it is looking like most of the stuff that is going to come down the pipeline will be character/movie driven - Avatar, Star Wars, Pixar (of some sort in DHS backlot, likely Cars), Marvel (out west, overseas, and on the seas/cruise ships), etc.

The small details, authenticity, realism, settings, etc. are more and more becoming the story - see what was done over at Universal with Harry Potter. They've been lauded for how authentic everything looks... and I'm guessing that is what WDW is going to be doing for Avatar and Star Wars... its what they've done with CarsLand, Expedition Everest, and new Fantasyland. Maybe it is part the dumbing down of society to not have the patience to learn/experience something new, maybe part of it is expecting the ever-growing non-English speaking guests from around the world not being able to comprehend non-characther driven attractions due to language barriers, maybe part of it is less talented imagineers. Whatever the case, these new attractions they are putting out are still great attractions, if not quite on the level of Splash, Big Thunder, Pirates, Haunted Mansion, etc.

I'll be honest.... from what I've seen I think they did a great job with RSR at carsland. It's definitely better than anything they've done at WDW for awhile, even if it basically is the Test Track ride system with a new story wrapped around it. (At least it's a story). But it's also the reason I don't ever see them moving RSR to WDW.... It's the same ride as TestTrack with just a better story wrapper on it. It's one thing to have multiple omnimover based attractions where Attraction is the draw and the omnimover just a way to move you thru it.... It's another to have multiple Test Track style attractions where the Test Track/Cars/Speed loop is the Attraction, and the story [Design Center/Testing center/ Radiator Springs race] is just the setting.

And I think, if you are using the WWoHP as your example on how the details come above the story, it's a REALLY bad example to pick. True, the WWoHP is getting a ton of praise for it's level of detail, but honestly I think that is in part because so many of the people around here tended to look at Universal as just a glorified Six Flags before Harry Potter opened. They never bothered to see what they did with their Jurrasic Park or Lost Continent and the level of detail in the surroundings in those areas. When they see the detail in the WWoHP they were surprised and were much more surprised that someone outside of Disney could actually do something like that. (Honestly, the Dueling Dragon's LOST a good deal of it's theming when they redid the queue)

Disney has also always been good at the theming of the environment. It's nothing new over there either. Just look at the level of detail along Main Street, or in Frontierland, or Liberty Square... or even the Carribean Plaza or Sunshine Terrace area.

The headline attraction within the WWoHP is forbidden Journey. It's a prime example of what Disney USED to do. This is an attraction which has a self contained and fun story. The story is set up within the Queue [Disney used to do this a lot... but the introduction of the fastpass ruined the effect as they reworked the queues and fastpass lines end up skipping over large parts of the original imagineer's design].... before you set off on your journey. Universal then put together a new innovative and unique ride system to help tell the story.... (or even to "plus" it using Disney's terms). True, they used a licensed property, but how different is that to what Disney has done?

I don't have a problem with using an existing property within an attraction. I DO have a problem with using that existing property as an excuse to be lazy an skip any sort of story development on the attraction.



Point remains, they were new attractions that weren't based upon Pixar characters, or any other established Disney characters, as the poster suggested was the only thing being built.

Eh... If I suggested that was the only thing being built, It was not exactly my intention. My intention was that Disney has just stopped bothering developing any attractions which create a new and unique story that doesn't really require good existing familiarity with the property.

As I mentioned in my reply, Most of the attractions you listed have a very flimsy story wrapped around them, to the point that the story was practically an afterthought on how to bring the ride system into the parks.


Again, using the WWoHP as an example, Even if you aren't a Harry Potter fan, the core of the story is still Wizards and dragons, and as long as you understand that, You will be able to understand and follow along with the story they give you in the attraction. New Fantasyland? If you don't know the story of the Little Mermaid, You won't know much about what's going on... who the octopus lady is, why ariel is sitting in a boat with that guy... etc. The scenes within the attraction just jump between key scenes within the movie.
 
experiences that you could only get a Disney park has all but disappeared in the name of bringing you more Pixar attractions.

I get tired of hearing people bag on Pixar. My kids have grown up on Pixar movies and characters and for them Pixar is bigger than Disney. John Lassiter is the Walt Disney for my kids generation. For my kids, the more Pixar there is in a park the better. I guess being older we don't see that.
 
I get tired of hearing people bag on Pixar. My kids have grown up on Pixar movies and characters and for them Pixar is bigger than Disney. John Lassiter is the Walt Disney for my kids generation. For my kids, the more Pixar there is in a park the better. I guess being older we don't see that.

Very well put.
 
I feel it needs to be remembered here that Disney and Pixar has worked together for many years and of course, Pixar is now owned by Disney. I am sure the creative people work and review everything as a team.:thumbsup2

AKK
 
Very well put.

I second this. Being someone of the generation between pre-Pixar and post, I'm happy with where Disney is moving to. Yes, I love Peter Pan and wake up in the morning singing Bonjour, but Pixar is amazing and I do really find joy in it. I look to my nephews and they absolute love it and want as much as they can have. The fact of the matter is, most of us are here on DisBoards because we are a little strange in our love for that that is Disney and have all accepted that fact, but we also need to remember that Disney is ultimately about the imagination of our children.
 




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