Breaking Disney News 3 Major Expansions

This.

Rumors are fine, but have a little integrity and report them as such.

Unattributed "confirmation" is not confirmation. If you can't cite a source, your reporting is not "verified." As a reader, I'm entitled to consider the source of the information when deciding how much credence to give an article. And if you don't cite the source, than as far as I know YOU'RE the source, and you might just be getting your jollies making the whole thing up. Or you may be reading something extra into the same things we've all seen/heard reported by the Jim Hills of the world (you know, people who have actually spent a journalistic career cultivating sources, and how are STILL unable to predict outcomes more than 25% of the time).

(Note: "your" and "you" do not refer to the quoted post, but to the blogger who wrote the original article).


That's one way of looking at it. The other way. What is being confirmed isn't the actual construction plans but rather the existence of a rumor.:) I can post something which is nothing more then speculation. Enough confirmations and we can upgrade my speculation to rumor.
 
Rumor--A guest who is staying a week or so will probably elect to skip or or 2 Disney parks in order to have time to visit Universal. Add new attractions to the parks customers are skipping, DHS and AK, and Disney might reduce the number.

Universal might benefit Disney. How many people who are planning a trip to see HP or Transformers will also take the time to visit WDW?

Universal is definitely an option for many families. In all our trips we went to Universal only for 1 day. Reasons why not going to Universal include:
1- Additional costs
2- Staying on property (no car)
3- When we have had a car, would rather not drive.
4- Just being Disney nuts/biased and enjoying the walk to EPCOT from the Boardwalk Resort.
5- Enjoy staying at two Disney hotels in one vacation and don't want to take the time to go off property

I will say I have heard more and more friends who go to Universal and talk about going to Disney for the day which to me was shocking. Of course I never understood why people would go to Orlando and instead of going to Disney go to a off-site safari attraction or gatorland or some other local attraction. The same goes for some of the "Dinner Shows" that are in the area.

With all that being said, everyone vacations differently and whatever works for others is fine.
 
One other thing on this I'll say is that until Potterland Phase 1, you'd struggle to find a packaged trip from the UK just to Universal.

Now its common to see adverts for such trips from some of the major travel companies, as well as seeing Universal advertising their parks on UK TV and printed press.

So, it seems to me that universal is now considered a viable complete trip alternative to Disney rather than an addition to.
 

Some may be from guests who are taking a non-Disney Orlando vacation. You could easily occupy a week with the 2 Universal parks, SW, Aquatica, WetnWild, BGT, Kennedy Center...

So what you're saying is that you could spend a whole week criss-crossing Central Florida, bouncing from Universal to the Space Center (60miles to the east) to Busch Gardens (140 miles in the opposite direction)?

Well, yes.

Not sure I would. And I have had family living south of Tampa for 35 years and myself have visited every year since I was 2. (That's 33 years.) So far, none of that has ever seemed like a good idea.

My point remains. MOST of your AVERAGE Orlando vacationers are there because of WDW, might have a fleeting interest in Universal, but Disney makes it much cheaper NOT to leave. The idea that Disney is quaking in their boots about Universal scratching its way out of obscurity is juvenile.
 
My point remains. MOST of your AVERAGE Orlando vacationers are there because of WDW, might have a fleeting interest in Universal, but Disney makes it much cheaper NOT to leave. The idea that Disney is quaking in their boots about Universal scratching its way out of obscurity is juvenile.

Disagree 100% with this.

Right now Universal has stuff to talk about, Disney doesnt. Look at everything Universal has added in the last few years and the range of target visitors it covers. From despicable me, transformers, simpsons land, potterland phase 1 and very soon 2 with more to come in the short term from possible terminator and ET replacements.

Disney has added what? more capacity to dumbo, little mermade, and eventually Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, some seed and mulch at downtown disney and a whole load of empty promises/rumours about long term stuff. None of which adds real appeal to anyone other than < 10yr old girls who were already quite well catered for anyway.
 
Disagree 100% with this.

Right now Universal has stuff to talk about, Disney doesnt. Look at everything Universal has added in the last few years and the range of target visitors it covers. From despicable me, transformers, simpsons land, potterland phase 1 and very soon 2 with more to come in the short term from possible terminator and ET replacements.

Disney has added what? more capacity to dumbo, little mermade, and eventually Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, some seed and mulch at downtown disney and a whole load of empty promises/rumours about long term stuff. None of which adds real appeal to anyone other than < 10yr old girls who were already quite well catered for anyway.

In the last 4 years, here is what WDW has added:
1. Bay Lake Tower DVC resort
2. Treehouse Villas at Saratoga Springs
3. New Fantasyland
4. Art of Animation resort
5. Villas at Grand Floridian

This leads me to believe that they must think attendance is declining and will continue to decline in the future...only 3 new resorts built in 4 years?!? Yep, they're slipping.

As a PP mentioned, WDW is a whole-encompassing experience. Universal may have a few more new rides, but the original arguments were:
A. Disney feels pressure from Universal and must make changes...OR ELSE!
B. Universal is threatening to become a 5-day destination.

I call BS on both.

WDW built NFL, which frankly is nice enough that I actually head back there now. Previously, I avoided Mickey's Toontown like the plague! I actually like the new stuff..and 7DMT will probably be a huge hit and another E-ticket. And it will do what Disney does best: provide another ride that the WHOLE family can go on together.

Even people who like Universal admit there's not really much there past 2 days.
 
In the last 4 years, here is what WDW has added:
1. Bay Lake Tower DVC resort
2. Treehouse Villas at Saratoga Springs
3. New Fantasyland
4. Art of Animation resort
5. Villas at Grand Floridian

This leads me to believe that they must think attendance is declining and will continue to decline in the future...only 3 new resorts built in 4 years?!? Yep, they're slipping.

As a PP mentioned, WDW is a whole-encompassing experience. Universal may have a few more new rides, but the original arguments were:
A. Disney feels pressure from Universal and must make changes...OR ELSE!
B. Universal is threatening to become a 5-day destination.

I call BS on both.

WDW built NFL, which frankly is nice enough that I actually head back there now. Previously, I avoided Mickey's Toontown like the plague! I actually like the new stuff..and 7DMT will probably be a huge hit and another E-ticket. And it will do what Disney does best: provide another ride that the WHOLE family can go on together.

Even people who like Universal admit there's not really much there past 2 days.

I thought everyone knew the only way for DVC to be financially viable for Disney was for them to keep building to keep the initial buy ins flowing ;)

I dont think many people consider Universal on its own a 5 day resort yet. Before potterland, we could fill 2 days there. We havent been back to orlando since potterland opened, but I'd imagine its maybe 2.5 days currently and will be at least 3 days once the current projects are complete.

However, with wet and wild a cheap option, along with Seaworld, Aquatica and Discovery Cove all very close by, I could easily occupy 5 days across all of those. Probably more like 6 or 7 actually.

7DMT will be popular im sure, however its clearly seems to be aimed at 10 and under age accompanied by parents. From the virtual POV ride I saw its so tame it makes BTTM look scary ;) It seems kinda Casey Jr at DLRP kind of targeted. I'm really not getting the "whole family" feel from it so far.
 
The average WDW visitor, not on Disboards, is not going to spend the $$. Everything Disney is doing is to encourage longer stays and no defection (Magic your way tickets, FP+ reservations...) And if you're a DVC member, you're not an average visitor. And if you're a DVC member who doesn't visit the parks, you basically have a timeshare condo in greater Orlando.

I do have a timeshare, so what better reason than to use it to see the rest of FLA? I've been taking the same vacation at WDW for 10 years, over and over, seeing and doing the same things. It's time for a change. Specifically because there isn't, and won't be anything new at WDW for a long time. NFL doesn't count as something I'd fly across the country to see.
 
I think it's hard to forget about the huge update at Cal. Ad. Just because it didn't happen in FL doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
My Favorite part of the Original post...

"THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST EXPANSION IN WDW HISTORY!!"


So it'll be bigger than Everest? Or Sunset Blvd at the Studios? Or Norway/Wonders of Life? The West Side? Pleasure Island? Or Splash Mountain? Big Thunder Mountain? Carribean Plaza? How about Mickey's Birthdayland? New Fantasyland? Or even the Mid 70's Tomorrowland expansion that brought us Space Mountain, The WEDWay, and Carousel of Progress?

I guess we won't include the obvious much larger expansions that have happened in WDW History.... You know... Animal Kingdom, Disney-MGM Studios, EPCOT Center, Typhoon Lagoon, Blizzard Beach, Or you know.... The tens (hundreds?) of thousands of hotel rooms added to the Walt Disney World Resort since it opened with Fort Wilderness, The Contemporary, the Golf Inn, and the Polynesian Villiage....


In the last 4 years, here is what WDW has added:
1. Bay Lake Tower DVC resort
2. Treehouse Villas at Saratoga Springs
3. New Fantasyland
4. Art of Animation resort
5. Villas at Grand Floridian

This leads me to believe that they must think attendance is declining and will continue to decline in the future...only 3 new resorts built in 4 years?!? Yep, they're slipping.

Let's see.... 3 new DVC Properties which they have been selling at ever increasingly inflated prices, 1 regular "value" resort that they started building with a slightly different theme over 10 years ago, and a very modest addition and retheme to one of the most gridlocked sections of the Magic Kingdom. I wouldn't really call that a slam dunk win for Disney.

First off... with the DVC construction, they don't really care, at least short term, if it impacts attendance. Disney gets a HUGE payday just knowing they can sell those points. all the construction costs are guaranteed to be paid back in short order from people buying into the resort and they get a huge profit off those points. On top of that, with the Maintenance fees, The ongoing costs are pretty much covered and disney gets a little profit from them as well due to the management fees. Best of all... it's all locked in money.

Next... Art of Animation. the site was cleared, and several of the buildings were began over a decade ago... and then left abandoned as a ghost town eyesore for YEARS [which we know Disney no longer has issues with if you look at all the empty buildings with the parks]. They ultimately completed the construction of it, with a new theme, in large part to address the 1 type of room which they actually had a legitimate lack of...The Family suites. Again, I wouldn't call this a easy win. Because of Disney's high pricing, and the lack of available accommodations onsite that could hold a family larger than 4, They were starting to lose more and more potential families to offsite options. It just wasn't economical for these families of 5+ to rent 2 value rooms, or bump up to a multi-room DVC villa at rack rates. So they were ultimately able to regain some face by cleaning up and finishing the abandoned construction across the lake from the completed section of the Pop... and retool the original plans to increase the number of family suites so they could try and recapture some of the larger families they were losing to offsite options.

New Fantasyland? Again... It added some capacity to what was already the busiest Park (and section of that park)... in part so they can cram more people in there during the busy times of year when this park routinely reaches capacity.....and they added a tableservice restaurant since the park was really lacking in tableservice options.....something that really started to become apparent as they've pushed the DDP on everyone. It's a cute little addition to the park, but it really isn't anything groundbreaking... and REALLY doesn't live up to the hype which Disney built up about their new addition. [Honestly.... the years of hype meant that this one section of the park was almost going to need to be the equivalent of the NY Worlds Fair attractions as far as groundbreaking technology, storytelling, and accessability in order to have any chance of living up to the hype...and with today's Jaded public, I doubt anything would live up to that standard].


Either way.... I really wouldn't consider any of the examples you provided as a sure-fire testament to Disney's expectation to continue to grow their attendence at the parks.

If anything, Rising prices, the FP+/NextGen initiative, and the addition of more added-cost extras being offered with the likes of merchandise, tours, etc... Is Disney starting to admit that their ability to further their profit growth by simply increasing the raw attendence numbers is either declining or starting to approach the point of declining. Therefor Disney is starting to take the steps needed so that they can continue their profit growth not by increasing the raw numbers of guests, but by increasing the profit extracted from each guest. (AKA... Going from the less $ from more people approach, to the more $ from less people approach)




As a PP mentioned, WDW is a whole-encompassing experience. Universal may have a few more new rides, but the original arguments were:
A. Disney feels pressure from Universal and must make changes...OR ELSE!
B. Universal is threatening to become a 5-day destination.

I call BS on both.

WDW built NFL, which frankly is nice enough that I actually head back there now. Previously, I avoided Mickey's Toontown like the plague! I actually like the new stuff..and 7DMT will probably be a huge hit and another E-ticket. And it will do what Disney does best: provide another ride that the WHOLE family can go on together.

Even people who like Universal admit there's not really much there past 2 days.

There really is a difference between saying "You can do everything in 2 days", and "There isn't much to do past 2 days". One of the nicest things about the Universal resort is the ability to just relax, take your time, and enjoy a relaxing theme park vacation without needing to run around all commando like the entire stay.

Beyond that.... I will say that Universal has dramatically upped their Game. Is Disney feeling the pressure? honestly.... I'd say yes. Due to the sheer size of the respective resorts, It's obviously not the type pressure where Disney suddenly has to fight for their life. But I would say it is the pressure in seeing how people's vacationing habits are starting to change and they could easily see their total per guest revenue numbers starting to decline as those guests (who are now spending a day or two over at Universal) start spending more of their vacation $$ across town.

Remember on Wall Street, A relatively small change, like a "per share revenue" decrease of less than a nickle could be the different between a huge stock price increase (and bonus's galore) and a massive sell off and stock price plummet (and execs getting fired).

If you look at Disney's stated goals behind the Fast Pass Plus program, with the reserving fastpasses, They mention that one of the goals is to get more of their resort visitors to plan out their entire vacation on the Disney Resort.... The reason being that these guests will then be less tempted to venture off property when they become exposed to advertising in the area for other attractions in the Orlando area.

If you look beyond this a bit... I honestly am not seeing a lot of Disney guests who planned a Disney Vacation being tempted to Visit the Fun Spot, Wonderworks, or Ripley's by seeing an advertisement in the airport or a local coupon book. The hassle and cost just aren't tempting enough for someone planning an onsite Disney vacation. The Temptations are going to come from the Universal resort, Sea World, Discovery Cove, and Aquatica. Those are the "area attractions" which based off their advertising and offerings would be tempting enough to make someone deal with the hassle and expense of transportation off Disney property to go to a non disney Park.

Universal is reminding a lot of People these days what a quality destination can really do when they put their mind and resources behind the effort. It used to be in decades past that Disney was always the one leading the way, but now you just don't see the same type of vision, conviction, or imagination coming out of Disney as you once did. (Seriously.... Look at the amount of groundbreaking and amazing experiences the Disney company brought us in Walt's era.... Or thru the mid-late 70's and Early 80's... Or even thru the early 90's before Frank Well's untimely Death. then look at what they've brought us in the past 15-20 years... when technology has been getting cheaper and more powerful on a daily basis)
 
I thought everyone knew the only way for DVC to be financially viable for Disney was for them to keep building to keep the initial buy ins flowing ;)

I dont think many people consider Universal on its own a 5 day resort yet. Before potterland, we could fill 2 days there. We havent been back to orlando since potterland opened, but I'd imagine its maybe 2.5 days currently and will be at least 3 days once the current projects are complete.

However, with wet and wild a cheap option, along with Seaworld, Aquatica and Discovery Cove all very close by, I could easily occupy 5 days across all of those. Probably more like 6 or 7 actually.

I;m just not sure that a majority or even significant minority of the average Orlando vacationer is going to choose what you mentioned above over 5-7 nights at WDW. Again, if you live within driving distance and you go several times a year, or if you're from the UK and stay for 14 days, then yes. But if you're from Kansas City and your family goes once every 5-10 years, you're going to go all the way there and NOT go to WDW at all? If you do, and you choose to go to Universal as well, you're not taking advantage of either of the length-of-stay perks available through both sites. And if you're rolling in cash, you're taking your family to the south of France anyway...

7DMT will be popular im sure, however its clearly seems to be aimed at 10 and under age accompanied by parents. From the virtual POV ride I saw its so tame it makes BTTM look scary ;) It seems kinda Casey Jr at DLRP kind of targeted. I'm really not getting the "whole family" feel from it so far.

Hmmm...have you seen the track? Probably not, seeing as you think Mermaid is spelled Mermade. (And I'm really not trying to be a jerk about that, but just pointing out that you are probably unfamiliar with the NFL area, as the word "Mermaid" is everywhere.) Anyway, the track implies that it will move a pretty good clip. Regardless, the point of WDW, and especially MK, is to create rides that everyone in the family can go on. What's the point if the ride is like the Mantis or Gatekeeper at Cedar Point... the under 10 crowd is too short to ride and most likely older family members will opt out, too. Walt wanted a FAMILY vacation spot...you know, where they actually do things together? Not just something that appeals to teenage boys (or teenage boys at heart, however old or female you may be...)

I just looked up POV videos for Despicable Me, Transformers and Spiderman. Despicable Me seems like you stay in one place and watch a show, but the platform moves to simulate real movement. And the Transformers/Spiderman cars are similar, but they DO actually move. But aren't all three essentially 3D motion simulators?

Can anyone fill me in on what these rides do that makes them so special?
 
I think it's hard to forget about the huge update at Cal. Ad. Just because it didn't happen in FL doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'll give some credit to DCA's recent update. They did an amazing job.

That being said.... It was in the high powered exec's backyard, and was impossible to hide the huge disappointment the park was to begin with. As a result, You actually saw the Disney company willing to throw a massive amount of money and resources into "correcting their mistake".


The big issue I see is that in Florida it's much easier for them to hide the glaring problems within the resort because of the shear number of people who go, and because of the front-loaded tickets and the way many people vacation, Even the sub-standard parks and attractions get millions of visitors annually and you don't end up with the jaring differences in attendance numbers as you did between DCA and DLR with it's mostly local repeat visitors.

(IE... a Local would've gone to DCA before... realized it sucked... and not go back. With a majority of WDW visitors being first time guests, They go to MGM or AK... Realize the park kinda stinks.... but they won't ever make it back in the near future for their "vote with their attendence" decision to not return to those parks to really register in the bigger scheme....... Or you end up with someone with a multiday ticket where towards the end of their long trip it only costs them $5-10/day to go to MGM / AK... and it's very easy to justify that cost for 1 or 2 attractions and a couple hours).


IMHO, With the DCA Revamp, Disney showed that they are capable of still doing amazing things if they are willing to put the resources behind that decision. The problem is they have shown a very strong lack of willingness to put even a fraction of that effort into fixing the issues in Florida and are happy with small patches, new paint or marketting tricks, and maybe throwing the occasional cloned California attraction into the Florida parks to show they are still adding things (Soarin, Little Mermaid, etc)
 
I do have a timeshare, so what better reason than to use it to see the rest of FLA? I've been taking the same vacation at WDW for 10 years, over and over, seeing and doing the same things. It's time for a change. Specifically because there isn't, and won't be anything new at WDW for a long time. NFL doesn't count as something I'd fly across the country to see.

Totally agree. This is why I make sure every time I go to WDW, I try NOT to do the same things over and over. Of course, as a DVC member, this means that I can stay at different resorts each time, go to different parks and/or try to see different shows each time I go...
 
Disagree 100% with this.

Right now Universal has stuff to talk about, Disney doesnt. Look at everything Universal has added in the last few years and the range of target visitors it covers. From despicable me, transformers, simpsons land, potterland phase 1 and very soon 2 with more to come in the short term from possible terminator and ET replacements.

Disney has added what? more capacity to dumbo, little mermade, and eventually Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, some seed and mulch at downtown disney and a whole load of empty promises/rumours about long term stuff. None of which adds real appeal to anyone other than < 10yr old girls who were already quite well catered for anyway.

IMO you hit the nail on the head. We've just come back from our recent visit and we were VERY unimpressed with Disney. Having waited a few years for the "New Fantasyland" expansion, it was incredibly disappointing to see what they've actually achieved; a hammy BatB walkround and a Little Mermaid ride straight out the 1970's. In fact scratch that, in the 70's Disney built the wonderful PotC ride with its huge expansive arena's. My son said the Mermaid ride was "like you were going down a corridor - and where's the water?".

Im sure the Snow White ride will be fun - but four years?

It looks like Disney's spending most of its money on MagicBand and new hotels. Wow! Universal is spending theirs on theming and great new rides like Transformers, HP phase1, HP phase2, Rip Ride, Despicable Me, Simpsons.

I know what I'd rather have!
 
Eh, the problem is that Universal is an amusement park and Disney World is an experience. Universal is now trying to make itself someplace where people really want to go...what WDW accomplished in 1971. Only 42 years behind. And Disney knows that once they have you onsite, you're probably hitting 3 if not all 4 parks.

Furthermore, people might go to Universal for 2 days on the end of a WDW vacation, but it would be foolish financially to do so. Pay $150+ to go to Universal for two days ($180+ with Express or stay at on-site hotels for $250+ a night) or stay at WDW and your extra days worth of tickets are $20-10 more per day and where moderates are $180s a night, values even less.

The idea that your average Orlando-area vacation visitor (doesn't live in Florida, visits WDW maybe once every 5 years, not on the Disboards) is going to spend an extra $720 for a family of four (versus $160 to have two more days at WDW) for two park days at Universal isn't really a major concern for Disney. Most WDW visitors are not going to make that decision. Visitors from UK? Maybe...they're there for two weeks!! I'm talking about your average one week family. There's no way that even a significant minority of of those people are going to do a 5-day Universal trip!! Harry Potter expansion or not.

Whats is average ?, is average really the kind of guest that disney wants the most ?
I am one of those pesky folks from the UK, also DVC owner and come over for a 3 week stint every July/August. We sometimes come over for a shorter 1 week trip around the start of March too.

Even though we have DVC points we often go for a few days to Universal and always stay in their hotels, I wouldnt dream of not having their excellent fast pass. The extra cost is minimal given our airfare for just me and DW comes to about $6000 each time we come over as we always fly business. In recent years we have also started to go on a cruise for a week whilst over in florida.

This year we arrive on 12 Aug, leave on 18th Aug for a cruise, go to Universal on 25th Aug then back to Disney on 27th Aug until 1st Sept.

Years ago we would spend longer at Disney but TBH nothing much seems to be changed and little in the way of new attractions seem to appear so we found other things to do.

We buy 3 week disney hopper passes before we come over in they cost $860 for two, they are only available to the UK market as we tend to go on longer vacations.

We are thinking about another add on of DVC points whilst we are over this year at Grand Floridian as it is our favourite resort.

Universal are pushing in our market really hard these days, commercials are regularily on the TV

We wouldnt dream of cooking whilst on vacation so all meals are purchased either cash or DDP.

I try and avoid car hire as I don't particulairly like driving on the right/wrong side of the road, only two days of that misery to the ship and back this year.

So the question again, what is average ?, do disney want average ?
 
Whats is average ?, is average really the kind of guest that disney wants the most ?
I am one of those pesky folks from the UK, also DVC owner and come over for a 3 week stint every July/August. We sometimes come over for a shorter 1 week trip around the start of March too.

Even though we have DVC points we often go for a few days to Universal and always stay in their hotels, I wouldnt dream of not having their excellent fast pass. The extra cost is minimal given our airfare for just me and DW comes to about $6000 each time we come over as we always fly business. In recent years we have also started to go on a cruise for a week whilst over in florida.

This year we arrive on 12 Aug, leave on 18th Aug for a cruise, go to Universal on 25th Aug then back to Disney on 27th Aug until 1st Sept.

Years ago we would spend longer at Disney but TBH nothing much seems to be changed and little in the way of new attractions seem to appear so we found other things to do.

We buy 3 week disney hopper passes before we come over in they cost $860 for two, they are only available to the UK market as we tend to go on longer vacations.

We are thinking about another add on of DVC points whilst we are over this year at Grand Floridian as it is our favourite resort.

Universal are pushing in our market really hard these days, commercials are regularily on the TV

We wouldnt dream of cooking whilst on vacation so all meals are purchased either cash or DDP.

I try and avoid car hire as I don't particulairly like driving on the right/wrong side of the road, only two days of that misery to the ship and back this year.

So the question again, what is average ?, do disney want average ?

Exactly!!! MichiganDVC seems to only be considering the typical DVC/non-DVC owning AMERICANS who tend to do 5-7 day trips where Disney does currently have suitable ways to encourage you to stay on site.

However, what are the percentages of guests to ORLANDO who fit those parameters? I've no idea, but I suspect its declining.

All the time Universal is gaining the rewards from their investment with more and more people finding much more new exciting things to do there than at Disney.
 
Hmmm...have you seen the track? Probably not, seeing as you think Mermaid is spelled Mermade. (And I'm really not trying to be a jerk about that, but just pointing out that you are probably unfamiliar with the NFL area, as the word "Mermaid" is everywhere.) Anyway, the track implies that it will move a pretty good clip. Regardless, the point of WDW, and especially MK, is to create rides that everyone in the family can go on. What's the point if the ride is like the Mantis or Gatekeeper at Cedar Point... the under 10 crowd is too short to ride and most likely older family members will opt out, too. Walt wanted a FAMILY vacation spot...you know, where they actually do things together? Not just something that appeals to teenage boys (or teenage boys at heart, however old or female you may be...)

I just looked up POV videos for Despicable Me, Transformers and Spiderman. Despicable Me seems like you stay in one place and watch a show, but the platform moves to simulate real movement. And the Transformers/Spiderman cars are similar, but they DO actually move. But aren't all three essentially 3D motion simulators?

Can anyone fill me in on what these rides do that makes them so special?

Yeah they're called typo's.... Thanks for the insults though. Great way to put your argument across. :thumbsup2
 
Just to get this thread back on track: TheBestMagic.net posted another Star Wars Land rumor a couple of days ago. As always, take these things with a HUGE grain of salt. :)

TheBestMagic.net | Salvatore Tracanna

There are two plans that are being pushed for the construction of Star Wars Land. As of right now, here are some of the attractions and rides that are leading the pack.

For younger kids, there will get a X-wing type ride that is a spinner like Dumbo. The big difference is when you get on the ride, you enter it when the "door" opens and you close it and start flying. The area surrounding the ride will have props that makes it look like you are in the Star Wars universe.
One of the areas that may go, is Echo Lake. For one of the plans, Echo Lake, Indiana Jones, and all the way to Star Tours will be Star Wars land. We may get to see the Cantina where Echo lake is right now and the Backlot Express may be re themed into Star Wars themed eatery. The area will be mos eisley.
You will see the main attraction, speeder bike ride. It will be an intense ride . Another plan has Streets of America going away also, Osbourne lights going away.
What ever plans gets picked up, there is NO DOUBT, THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST AND MOST EXPANSIVE EXPANSION IN WDW HISTORY. I was given this information from a source with 100% reliability,. Its happening and during D23 Expo we will get more definitive information.
 
I have to say I'm really underwhelmed by the whole Avatar thing. If Disney Execs think Avatar can compete with Potter they are sadly mistaken. I watched 10 minutes of Avatar and left the room. Didn't even bother going to see it in the theater. Star Wars Land on the other hand could be exciting. I agree AK needs more big attractions but if I was in charge I'd probably bring the Indiana Jones ride from DL to AK and use the Indiana theater in DHS for Star Wars Land. Disney better wake up because we did the Transformer ride in Calif and its amazing. We are big Disney fans who never used to even consider going to US but now with Potter and Transformers US is getting a cut of what used to be Disney's. We cut down on our Disney stay and move to US for a few days. Hope Disney wakes up!
 




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