Black Elsa @ Disneyland ?

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So now the clothes a person wears defines who they are?

I actually can't believe this is happening in 2016 on a Disney forum.

Guys... Walk away. It's not worth it.

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Looking for a honest and open discussion, if by all means the subject matter is to difficult for some there are plenty other threads which may be more enjoyable

one shouldn't try to insult the poster or encourage others interested in the topic from posting

I follow the rules posted if there are any infractions let me know
 
I didn't call into question whether you broke the rules, nor did I insult you, so please, don't try to imply I did to make yourself look like the poor innocent victim.

Don't start a thread discussing someone's race if you don't want it to be heated.
 
Here is the problem, if they start "color blind" casting, in the parks.

"Mommy why was Elsa white, like you, the last time we met her and today she was black, like Daddy?"
"Honey, how dare you notice."
 

I broke the rules. I insulted little Jimmy. I will own up to it because where I am from and how I was raised the color of your skin does not dictate what you can and can not do. This post may get deleted and I may get banned, but a forum about a show with five openly gay men should have a tad more class than allowing for discrimination on any level.

Yes I am angry, I was last night when I saw this and still am today. there is no room in this world for discrimination.
 
I broke the rules. I insulted little Jimmy. I will own up to it because where I am from and how I was raised the color of your skin does not dictate what you can and can not do. This post may get deleted and I may get banned, but a forum about a show with five openly gay men should have a tad more class than allowing for discrimination on any level.

Yes I am angry, I was last night when I saw this and still am today. there is no room in this world for discrimination.
I admire your passion and tolerance Pete. You're a good dude :)
 
I think the big difference people are missing is this is a stage show and not people portraying themselves as Anna and Elsa. The face character meet a d greets are never going to change. In the stage shows it is about suspention of disbelief and knowikg those are people playing those roles.

Also I do believe the people they cast are the best for the role and not just some PC stunt.

I'm excited to see the show and might just have to youtube it since I won't be at DL until next year.
 
I think the big difference people are missing is this is a stage show and not people portraying themselves as Anna and Elsa. The face character meet a d greets are never going to change. In the stage shows it is about suspention of disbelief and knowikg those are people playing those roles.

Also I do believe the people they cast are the best for the role and not just some PC stunt.

I'm excited to see the show and might just have to youtube it since I won't be at DL until next year.
I think most of us are picking up what you're putting down ;)
 
Would it be OK if they had a show with Tiana and she was portrayed by a blonde haired white person?

And how do you explain to your 5 year old that the white character they have obsessed over in the movie and the character meet and greet looks nothing like the Elsa in the show?
 
I thank you Bob, you always were the wise one. Here is what I was doing while working and reading this sewage.

HOW TO PLAY BRIDGE

Overview

Bridge is played with four people sitting at a card table using a standard deck of 52 cards (no jokers). The players across from each other form partnerships as North‑South and East‑West.

Each deal consists of three parts – the auction, where the four players bid in a clockwise rotation describing their hands, the play, where the side that wins the bidding auction tries to take the tricks necessary to fulfill their contract and scoring.

Bidding is the language of bridge. Its purpose is to relay information about the strengths and weaknesses of each player’s hand to his partner. A bid consists of a number and a suit (spades (♠), hearts (♥), diamonds (♦), clubs (♣) or notrump (NT), a designation indicating no trump suit). The suits are assigned value with notrump the highest and clubs the lowest. A one heart bid means the pair intends to take six tricks plus one, or seven tricks total, with hearts as trump.

In the bidding phase, the dealer makes the first call, either a pass or a bid, and the auction proceeds clockwise until it is ended by three successive players saying “Pass.” The final bid becomes the “contract.” This means that one pair has contracted to make a certain number of tricks (six plus the number indicated in the bid) in a particular suit or in notrump.

The first player to name the suit of the final contract – or the first to bid notrump, if that is the case – becomes the “declarer.” The person to the left of the declarer makes the opening lead, and the declarer’s partner, the “dummy,” places his hand face up on the table. At this point, the “dummy” becomes an observer while his partner, the “declarer,” plays the cards from his own and the “dummy” hand.

A pair fulfills its contract by winning tricks equal to or more than the number bid. A trick consists of four cards, one from each player’s hand, played in clockwise order. When a pair does not make its contract – does not take the tricks required by the level of the bid – there is a penalty.

The three most popular forms of contract bridge are rubber, duplicate and Chicago. Rubber bridge, the original and still most popular form of contract bridge, is played for points. In duplicate bridge, the same hands are played more than once, thereby eliminating much of the luck of the deal. Chicago, limited to four deals, is a faster rubber bridge game popular in clubs and homes.


Getting Started
Draw cards to select the person to deal the cards (the dealer). This person distributes the cards face down, in clockwise rotation one at a time, until each player at the table has a hand consisting of 13 cards. After the play of each deal is completed, the opportunity to deal moves around the table clockwise so that each person has a turn to deal out the cards.


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Aim of the Game
Each partnership tries to win (or take) as many tricks as possible.


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Hand Valuation
In bridge the strength of your hand comes from two main sources: high-card points and long suits.

High-card points (HCP):

Ace = 4; king = 3; queen = 2; jack = 1.

Length:

Five-card suit = 1; a six-card suit = 2; a seven-card suit = 3; and an eight-card suit = 4.

Once you have valued your hand, the next step is to bid according to its strength and shape.


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Bidding
The dealer has the first chance to bid. If the dealer has at least 12 high card points in the hand and a preference for one suit over another (usually decided by the length of the suit), dealer makes a bid to let his partner know which suit he prefers. If the dealer doesn’t have many high cards and doesn’t want to make a bid, he says “pass.”

Bids must be made according to the hierarchy of suits: clubs, diamonds, hearts, spades and finally notrump. Thus, if 1♣ is the opening bid, the next hand to bid must bid at least 1♦, the next hand at least 1♥ and so on. If declarer were to open 1♠, the next bid would have to be 1NT or 2♣, 2♦or 2♥.

After the dealer makes a decision, each player in turn has an opportunity to either bid or pass. At the end of the bidding, each partnership will have decided on the suit it wants to name as trumps and if it has enough strength (high cards) to bid for the privilege of naming trumps. Or one partnership will have passed, letting the opponents pick the trump suit in return for committing to winning a certain number of tricks. The bidding ends when three players in succession say “pass.”


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Guidelines for Opening the Bidding
With 0 to 12 points, pass.

With 13 or more points, open the bidding with one of your longest suits.

With 15 to 17 high-card points and a balanced hand (one where all suits are represented with at least two or more cards), open 1NT (notrump).


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The Role of the Responder
The partners on a bridge team have certain roles to play. The opening bidder describes his hand to his partner. The partner becomes the captain and assumes the role of deciding on the best denomination and the best level for the final contract. The partner of the opening bidder knows more about the combined strength of the two hands after hearing the opening bid and looking at his own hand.

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Contracts
The bidding will lead to a variety of final contracts (a number and a suit or notrump). They are not equal in value since you score more for bidding and making certain contracts. They can be slams, game contracts, or part-game or partscore contracts. They can be major suit (spades or hearts) contracts or minor suit (diamonds or clubs) contracts.

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Declarer, Opening Leader and Dummy
The Declarer is the player who first mentions the suit or notrump that becomes the final contract.
The Opening Leader is the player to the left of the declarer who starts the play by making the opening lead, playing a card face-up on the table.
The Dummy is declarer’s partner. After the opening lead, the dummy places his hand face-up on the table, and declarer calls the cards during the play for both hands.

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Guidelines for Making the Opening Lead
Against notrump contracts, it is a good idea to lead your longest suit because that could be your best source of extra tricks. With a sequence, three or more cards in a row, lead the top card of the sequence. If you don’t have a sequence, lead low.

Against trump contracts, you can still lead the top of a sequence, but you no longer need to lead your longest suit. Your opponents have a trump suit and can usually prevent you from taking tricks in your long suit. They can trump in and win the trick. Sometimes it is a good idea to lead a short suit if it isn’t the trump suit. Your partnership wants to take tricks as quickly as possible.


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Taking Tricks in Notrump
A trick contains four cards, one contributed by each player. One player starts by leading a card, placing it face up on the table. In clockwise rotation, each player has to follow suit, by playing a card of the same suit as the one led. If a heart is led, for example, each player must play a heart if possible. Only if a player doesn’t have a heart can that person discard (i.e., play a card of another suit). The highest card in the suit led wins the trick for the player who played it. This is called playing in notrump.


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Taking Tricks with a Trump Suit
Having a trump suit is something like having one suit wild. The rules of the game still require that if a player can follow suit, the player must. When a player can no longer follow suit, however, a trump can be played, and the trump is higher and more powerful than any card in the suit led.


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Bonus Levels
SLAMS:
You score highest for bidding and making a grand slam of 7, 7,7,7 or 7NT (notrump) where you can lose no tricks to the opponents. To bid a grand slam, the partnership should have a total of 37 points. The next best score comes from bidding and making a small slam of 6, 6, 6, 6 or 6NT where you can lose only one trick to the opponents. To bid a small slam, the partnership needs a total of 33 to 36 points.

GAMES:
There are five game bonuses which are more attainable than a slam contract. 3NT requires that you bid for and make 9 tricks. 4 and 4 require that you bid and make 10 tricks. All three of these games can be bid when the partnership has a total of 26 points. 5 and 5 require that you bid and commit to making 11 tricks, and 29 points are suggested for a contract at this level. Experience has shown that if you and your partner have at least eight trump cards in your combined hands, you can usually take one more trick in a suit contract than you could in a notrump contract. That means that games in 3NT or 4 or 4 (if you have at least eight trumps) require about the same strength in high cards.

PARTSCORES:
In a partscore, the partnership receives points for every trick made. The partnership is not eligible, however, for the bonus it would get for bidding a game or a slam.
 
Would it be OK if they had a show with Tiana and she was portrayed by a blonde haired white person?

And how do you explain to your 5 year old that the white character they have obsessed over in the movie and the character meet and greet looks nothing like the Elsa in the show?

Elsa = race doesn't matter because race had 0 to do with her story. Yes it "historically" happens in one country but race does not make her struggle any more or less. Her struggle is about being different because of her powers.

Tiana = no as her race directly adds to her struggle. Her entire story is segregation south. Now in Princess and the Frog I think you could change Prince Naveen and it wouldn't be wrong for a stage production.

Simple to explain to children. Anna and Elsa in the meet and greet and parade = real Anna and Elsa. Anna and Elsa in the stage show are people playing pretend muh like they do so that we can see the show. Not thag hard to explain.

Edit to add stopping after this post because this whole thread reallly should go poof.
 
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Would it be OK if they had a show with Tiana and she was portrayed by a blonde haired white person?

And how do you explain to your 5 year old that the white character they have obsessed over in the movie and the character meet and greet looks nothing like the Elsa in the show?
This is not a meet and greet, it is a stage show, but here is my simple answer: thats the real Elsa

If you put a blonde haired blue eyed girl as Anna, would her eyes be larger than her hands. Reality sucks and life is reality. I would happily tell my kid that Anna is a made up cartoon, the easter bunny could possibly live this long, and santa, well there's only one fat man that gives out presents on Christmas and his name isn't Nick.
 
I don't see this as a race issue but rather one of character integrity. Disney promotes the idea that its fictional, animated characters are real and goes to great lengths to capitalize on it. This is why so many people are willing to wait hours to meet a minimum wage kid dressed up as a make believe character. I think if the image of that character in the parks doesn't match the image in the film, that jeopardizes the blending of fiction and fact that is the foundation of so much of what Disney does. Kids will no longer trust that they are really meeting Elsa or Mickey or anyone else. The whole illusion will be gone.
 
I don't see this as a race issue but rather one of character integrity. Disney promotes the idea that its fictional, animated characters are real and goes to great lengths to capitalize on it. This is why so many people are willing to wait hours to meet a minimum wage kid dressed up as a make believe character. I think if the image of that character in the parks doesn't match the image in the film, that jeopardizes the blending of fiction and fact that is the foundation of so much of what Disney does. Kids will no longer trust that they are really meeting Elsa or Mickey or anyone else. The whole illusion will be gone.

But yet they've used caucasian women to portray Pocahontas and Jasmine. Where's the character integrity in that?
 
I don't see this as a race issue but rather one of character integrity. Disney promotes the idea that its fictional, animated characters are real and goes to great lengths to capitalize on it. This is why so many people are willing to wait hours to meet a minimum wage kid dressed up as a make believe character. I think if the image of that character in the parks doesn't match the image in the film, that jeopardizes the blending of fiction and fact that is the foundation of so much of what Disney does. Kids will no longer trust that they are really meeting Elsa or Mickey or anyone else. The whole illusion will be gone.
And that's where parenting comes in
It's not a difficult discussion to have.
Just explain, as wilkeliza so eloquently put it, that the meet and greet character is the "real" Elsa and this is an actor.

Also... Why is it not an issue to explain to kids that frozen is totally cartoon but the Elsa they meet is a human?
But when they see Mickey, he's a cartoon and the meet and greet character looks like a cartoon.

They're kids! They don't give a crud
 
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