Bistro de Paris - No Kids?

[JimmyV]

How is depriving yours child's experience any more valuable than depriving an adult's experience of wanting to enjoy a grown up and adult meal?

Lost me there. How is "access for all" depriving anyone of anything. Quite the opposite. Everyone would get a chance to dine. No depriving of anyone.

One question about your time restrictions: are you saying to only have 2 seating times? A 5pm seating for children & a 7pm seating for adults? I would be fine with that as well. If it is not only two seating times though, it would not work.

It could work either way. 2 seatings might be easiest, but it is not necessary. Without it, if you are making an ADR by phone and request a time after, say, 6:15 or 6:30, the reservationist simply asks if there are any children under 8 in the party. (They ask already ask about children. They can simply ask about a specific age). If the answer is yes, the guest is told of the policy. If making the ADR on line, the on-line page will note the age restriction same as V&A.

Is WDW the only vacation spot (or area) that offers fine dining restaurants??? Sorry, I'm not OK with your little one working out the kinks of learning how to behave in a fine dining restaurant while I'm trying to enjoy a romantic and grown up meal with my DF.

I'll turn this around on you. You are right. WDW is not the only place for fine dining. But it is the place with the SINGLE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF CHILDREN. If you insist on a "romantic and grown up meal", you can go elsewhere. It is easy to say: "go elsewhere". You can say it to people with kids, and people with kids can say it to you. It's a tie. But ultimately, there is no need for anyone to go elsewhere. I simply have no sympathy for your argument if you are trying to have a "romantic and grown up meal" at 5:30 or 6:00. But I will cut you plenty of slack if you are trying to do so at 8:00. 5:30 at WDW is the PERFECT PLACE AND TIME to work out the kinks in a fine dining restaurant. Sure beats trying to do it in Manhattan or San Francisco.

 

[nytimez]

Lost me there. How is "access for all" depriving anyone of anything. Quite the opposite. Everyone would get a chance to dine. No depriving of anyone.



It could work either way. 2 seatings might be easiest, but it is not necessary. Without it, if you are making an ADR by phone and request a time after, say, 6:15 or 6:30, the reservationist simply asks if there are any children under 8 in the party. (They ask already ask about children. They can simply ask about a specific age). If the answer is yes, the guest is told of the policy. If making the ADR on line, the on-line page will note the age restriction same as V&A.



I'll turn this around on you. You are right. WDW is not the only place for fine dining. But it is the place with the SINGLE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF CHILDREN. If you insist on a "romantic and grown up meal", you can go elsewhere. It is easy to say: "go elsewhere". You can say it to people with kids, and people with kids can say it to you. It's a tie. But ultimately, there is need for anyone to go elsewhere. I simply have no sympathy for your argument if you are trying to have a "romantic and grown up meal" at 5:30 or 6:00. But I will cut you plenty of slack if you are trying to do so at 8:00. 5:30 at WDW is the PERFECT PLACE AND TIME to work out the kinks in a fine dining restaurant. Sure beats trying to do it in Manhattan or San Francisco.

Your comments represent a wise and reasonable compromise. I fully expect you to be attacked over them.

 

[photo_chick]

Funny, I thought the parks were supposed to be a place that parents could go have a good time with their kids.

If they want an adult only time perhaps they should do like a local bowling alley by me does. After 9pm kids are not allowed in. So the kids have a chance to go there, they just have to go earlier and those who want a kid free experience can go later.

 

[poohbear227]

Lost me there. How is "access for all" depriving anyone of anything. Quite the opposite. Everyone would get a chance to dine. No depriving of anyone.



It could work either way. 2 seatings might be easiest, but it is not necessary. Without it, if you are making an ADR by phone and request a time after, say, 6:15 or 6:30, the reservationist simply asks if there are any children under 8 in the party. (They ask already ask about children. They can simply ask about a specific age). If the answer is yes, the guest is told of the policy. If making the ADR on line, the on-line page will note the age restriction same as V&A.



I'll turn this around on you. You are right. WDW is not the only place for fine dining. But it is the place with the SINGLE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF CHILDREN. If you insist on a "romantic and grown up meal", you can go elsewhere. It is easy to say: "go elsewhere". You can say it to people with kids, and people with kids can say it to you. It's a tie. But ultimately, there is need for anyone to go elsewhere. I simply have no sympathy for your argument if you are trying to have a "romantic and grown up meal" at 5:30 or 6:00. But I will cut you plenty of slack if you are trying to do so at 8:00. 5:30 at WDW is the PERFECT PLACE AND TIME to work out the kinks in a fine dining restaurant. Sure beats trying to do it in Manhattan or San Francisco.

WOW, "thanks for cutting me some slack". SO you are OK with ALL choices for kids, NO choices for adults? That's very reasonable of you ...and again makes my point about snowflake families not willing to compromise on anything.

Maybe you are OK with MK starting to serve alcohol, open up a few bars? After all, grown ups only have 3 other parks & 20+ other resorts to choose from to have that option~not really fair to restrict us, doncha think?

Well, at the very least kudos to WDW for starting to understand that their market also applies to MANY adult couples, honeymooning couples (it's one of the most popular honeymoon destinations in the world) who would pay big money to have 1-2 meal options (out of a field of hundreds) for a grown up meal. Luckily, we are seeing more & more options for honeymooners & adult experiences, so hopefully Disney will head in the correct direction and start issuing this rule! I'm going to guess that places like Bistro are not going to lose out on a whole lot of money because families with young kids stop going there. It is likely that they were losing money & getting complaints about the children in there, which is prompting this consideration they are making.

Wow, I wonder how many parents complained that their snowflake could not go dancing at Pleasure Island because of the age restrictions there? I can just see it now "But you have to let her in! Little Sally takes dancing lessons & loves to dance! Plus, I want to start training her now on how to act properly in a dance club, so she is well adjusted 20 years from now!"

 

[poohbear227]

I am 300% supportive of an age limit at just a few restaurants in WDW.

There are so many dining options, it's not like families are going to be hurting for a place to eat and a variety to choose from.

To me, it's just about offering choices for all types of guests who come to WDW. WDW is NOT only for children and I feel that should be accommodated. I went to WDW when my now DH proposed to me. He tried to do it in V&A's (spent all that money for a nice quiet and romantic meal) and ended up waiting until later because of the family seated near us in the dining room with a screaming baby and a young child yelling that his brother pushed him. What a waste of money that dinner was. It was very hard to enjoy it. I understand that some kids like the cuisine in V&A's, but that is clearly an adult restaurant. What is the big deal about waiting a few years and letting your child go to an experience like that when they are a few years older? These types of restaurants will will be there when your kid is of age to go.

I think what people need to realize is WDW is not all about children. It's also a very popular adult vacation-actually one of the most popular places to honeymoon. People need to learn to give a little.

Alcohol is banned from MK because Walt wanted there to be one park that offered a total kid experience. Sure some people can hold their liquor just fine-stop at 1-2 glasses of wine and remain well-behaved. But not all adults can behave that way. Therefore, to avoid those unfortunate incidences, alcohol is banned completely from MK. I am also 300% in support of this & to me this is no different than offering adults a few choices of dining experiences without children-to enjoy an adult experience. People just need to learn to compromise on that.

Those of you who disagree: Are you willing to allow all children at all restaurants all the time and also allow alcohol in the MK?? Are you OK with a bunch of adults crashing your kids' pirate cruise? If not, than I am inclined to think you are selfish and not willing to compromise. WDW is not all about you and it is certainly not all about children. That is why these compromises need to be put into place.

I notice that Disney Cruise Lines have kid only areas of the ship and also adult only areas of the ship. No one seems to complain about that and that is the same exact rationale.

I would also be willing to compromise to say no kids at signature meals after a 5:30 seating time. Nothing wrong with that as well.

The kids sitting at the bar thing is so inappropriate to me. An adult should lose out on sitting at a BAR that is meant to serve ALCOHOL because a kid wants a milk shake-really??? It's a BAR for crying out loud!!

Anyways, JMHO.

I'm so sorry to hear about your fiance's initial proposal plans being ruined, but to your post!

I wonder how do parents feel about the "adult only" restaurants & areas of the Disney Cruise Line?? I never hear anyone complain about that.

 

[Tricia1972]

Since this is still just a rumor and has nothing to do with Trip Planning for your Disney Dining, we're going to shut down the debate here.