Wasn't sure about Trader Sams until I saw the videos on Youtube. Not my cup of tea at all. I'd prefer something quieter and relaxing with more of a "laid back" atmosphere. Does anyone know if the patio is quieter? I think they have a singer out there but hopefully none of the "borderline annoying" shenanigans. On the other hand the bars I really enjoy are Territory Lounge, AbracadaBAR (did that one twice on our last trip while staying at the BWV), HBD Lounge (although it's more of a restaurant than a traditional lounge), and the R&C pub (met lots of nice people there). Bars I really want to try in October are Nomad in AK and La Cava in Mexico. Thus far, it's a dead heat between TL (it's a treat looking out into that lobby) and AbracadaBar. AbracadaBar has a bit more atmosphere and the Conjurita
! For me they both are winners.