BCV points for a VWL family?

ddhoeg

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So sorry in advance for the absurdly long post but I need help and have a lot of thoughts running through my head. This is in no way resort bashing, just scattered feelings and opinions of one family.

Our family has owned VWL points for several years now and love going “home” for the holidays each year. We love the fireplaces, the natural beauty, EWP, beautiful lobby, Christmas decorations, and quietness we find there. I could go on and on about all of the things we love about VWL, but that is outside of the problem we are having. Just know that VWL is truly our first love!

We have also enjoyed the other DVC resorts (we’ve stayed at BCV, BWV, VB, and OKW), especially at other times of the year such as spring break when we want to celebrate the return of spring with lots of action and time at the pool. Given all of that, we recently purchased a re-sale contract at the BCV to complement our beloved VWL. I actually wired the final amount and we closed last week. We’ve read so many wonderful things about the BCV on these boards and enjoyed our stay there as well. People seem to love BCV, and just the fact that you can’t pool hop to SAB seems to make people want it more. There is something about the exclusivity of the resort pool that adds to the allure and resale pricing IMO. We didn’t necessarily love BCV more than other DVC locations but we bought BCV over the others because of the stronger resale potential.

Well, fate stepped in and we took an unexpected trip to WDW last week. We stayed at AKL on an AP rate and took in a few days of relaxation and sun. We didn’t expect to fall so hard for this resort. It was top notch in all respects, from the flavors of BOMA to the blue-green waters of Uzima pool to the incredibly accommodating and friendly staff members at all levels. Our stay was magical! The AKL reminded us of VWL in many ways, but with its own personality and charm. Anyway, while I am sitting poolside, my DVC guide calls me to tell me that my BCV waitlist for points has finally come through. I had been on the waitlist for months and didn’t know when or if I would ever make it to the top. I actually meant to call him before we left to tell him we had closed on a resale and to go ahead and take my name off of the list. My guide tells me that the docs are on the way to my home, the points are already in my account, and I am good to go. I was so shocked at his call that I didn’t say anything about just having closed on a BCV resale or whether we even needed more points.

On our way back to the airport, we stopped by BCV to take it in again and “kick the tires” so to speak. We wanted to get a gut check on whether we wanted to buy the additional points. We got out of the car and walked in the side way, by the quiet pool. What a different feeling! White concrete and light colors everywhere. I tried to smile while my heart sank. We continued in through the elevator area looking in at the TV room. It was beautifully decorated, but seemed uninviting and worn comparably. We walked through the sun room hallway that leads to the lobby, past the furniture with chipped paint, and it was crowded and loud. I was still trying to smile through some major buyer’s remorse. We walked into the lobby and asked a few questions about BCV to the DVC desk person. She couldn’t answer and sent us to the check-in area for help. The staff there was nice, but it was a forced nice, not a genuine nice. They couldn’t answer our questions either and seemed sort of ambivalent about trying. We really wanted to like the resort, but things were not feeling good. We walked out by SAB, and took a breath. Yes, this is why we want points here. This pool makes it worth to us. We do want some points, but do we want more points here? We ate at beaches and cream – dirty menus, dirty floor, average food. I was craving BOMA coconut curry seafood stew the whole time I was eating my hamburger and shake. We talked about the positives of BCV, almost trying to talk ourselves into liking it. Sweat was poring and I was stressing. I had just paid a lot of money for BCV points and I really don’t like it here. I think it was the immediate and sharp contrast to where we had just been that made it hard to take. We shakily left and didn’t speak much the entire way to the airport.

Please help me know what to do. Should I go ahead and take the points my guide is offering, maybe use them a year or two and then resale, knowing that I can use the points at other resorts? I would probably make some money on my points by then. BCV seems to be the hottest property DVC has going right? Is there a realistic possibility that DVC will expand to AKL? If so, I will be the first in line. Should I abandon the BCV points and just buy additional points at VWL that we love so much? It would cost a lot less. I am really confused on what the best decision is. I am usually a logical thinker but all of the emotion and resort love has got me confused and unsure. Please help. What would you do in my shoes?
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dd,

It's a matter of the head, it's a matter of the heart. BCV 's make so much sense in location and aquatic facilities that owning here is a "no brainer". On the other hand the submersive theming of the twin sons of different countries AKL and WL will touch many of us at a deeper level than this. We enjoy our BVC points, but hold our shares in VWL with reverence. I think if you expect to have a great BCV time at the BCV you will, but if you expect to be moved at BVC like you are at VWL you will be disappointed.
 
We have most of our points at VWL, which is our favorite. We also have BCV points. BCV is our second favorite. Maybe you caught the resort at a bad moment. We love the lightness (when we're in a summer mood), Stormalong BAy, and most importantly, walking into the back door of Epcot when we feel like it (priceless). To me, BCV and then BWV (we own BVW points also) have the best location of any DVC resort.

We didn't care for Animal Kingdom Lodge at all. They had the rudest cast members we had ever met there. Plus it was too removed from everything except Animal Kingdom park. Our daughter spent her honeymoon there and said she'd never set foot in the resort again if she could help it. You would think with her and her husband loving the Wilderness Lodge they would have liked Animal Kingdom Lodge, but they actually wanted to leave Animal Kingdom Lodge resort (midway through their honeymoon).
 
:) Let me just make sure I understand: YOu have VWL points and love it there... You just closed on a resale at BCV...and now you have a possible "third contract" at BCV through DIsney directly.

If the above is correct, understanding your feelings, I would cancel the "third contract". I do think owning at BCV is a wonderful thing for many reasons including unbeatable location and SAB. But you probably don't need more than you got with the recent resale purchase. I would replace the third contract's BCV points with some VWL points since you love it so much there. I think DVC at AKL is a long way off...and in the meantime, you might as well have lots of points at your favorite place... That's what I would do. HTH!
 

It certainly is a delemma.

Our first home resort was VWL. I bought a resale, because we loved the resort and the immersion in the theme, and the relaxing nature of the resort.

Our next choice, if there were a DVC there, would be AKL. We love Boma and Jiko's and HAVE TO eat there each trip.

This past New Year's Eve, we stayed for a few nights at BCV. I know many people love it, and I respect that. I also know that they love SAB and I respect that too.

Frankly, the resort theming left me cold. From the decor to the lobby, it really did nothing for me, and looked a bit well, tatty.

The quiet pool had no character, and SAB, while intriguing I found to be a nightmarish throng of people and screaming children.

What we did love was the proximity to Epcot and being able to just walk over for lunch or dinner. It was wonderful to just walk home after Illuminations.

We felt wanted something in the Epcot neighborhood. We decided to add on at BWV (smallish 75 pts), a resort we have always liked to hang out at and have found very relaxing.

Our next stay, in December will be a split stay with 4 nights at the start at BWV and then 4 nights at VWL. We used our 11 month window and have secured both.

So, I guess, what I'm ultimately saying is that we love VWL, but decided to also own at another resort. I'm glad we did that, because of the flexibility it affords us.
 
Geyser Gazer said:
dd,

It's a matter of the head, it's a matter of the heart. BCV 's make so much sense in location and aquatic facilities that owning here is a "no brainer". On the other hand the submersive theming of the twin sons of different countries AKL and WL will touch many of us at a deeper level than this. We enjoy our BVC points, but hold our shares in VWL with reverence. I think if you expect to have a great BCV time at the BCV you will, but if you expect to be moved at BVC like you are at VWL you will be disappointed.
GG...this is really nicely put. BCV is an excellent resort with a great location. I'll bet that many who have gone here often have developed an emotional tie there with many great family memories.

But for us, as many have read from me ad nauseum, WL/VWL just has a feeling to it that we call home. I especially like the phrase "hold our shares in VWL with reverence". I might have to steal that one. ;)
 
Thanks to everyone for their input and advice, and for caring enough to weigh in.

GG, Wow! You are absolutely correct. The BCV points we bought were strictly a head decision. There is no emotion there. Our VWL points are our heart decision. I hadn't really put that together before but that is exactly how I view them.

Granny, you are the "rock" of VWL to me!

This possible 3rd contract at BCV is going back into the hopper and we will buy some additional points at VWL instead. I know someone else on the waitlist is a better match for the points than our family and will be thrilled with their purchase.

Thanks again to everyone for helping us with this decision. Fingers crossed that someday it is announced that DVC is expanding to AKL. That one will be an easy decision for us!
 
It is so nice we have the great choices of such fine resorts!

My family is left cold by the VWL, but love BCV. :)
 
ddhoeg said:
We shakily left and didn’t speak much the entire way to the airport.
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With all thats going on the world (the real one), then to add this, I just hope you can recover.
 
jade1 said:
With all thats going on the world (the real one), then to add this, I just hope you can recover.
jade1, this is the DVC Mousecellaneous board, not the "real world is miserable" board. It's entirely appropriate for the OP to voice opinions like this, and your remark was uncalled for, in my opinion.

I love the VWL and the BCV equally, so I'm not much help to you, OP!! But I will say that you can find someone who feels passionately for and against each of the resorts on this board, so I just chalk it up to the beauty of DVC - there are resorts for everyone to enjoy!!!
 
DVCLiz said:
jade1, your remark was uncalled for, in my opinion.

Apologies. How about from this angle then:

So you stayed at BCV for 4 nights in March and pretty much bashed BCV (carper, wear and tear, size etc upon returning home to the point of not planning to stay there again and not your cup of tea:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=770461&page=1&pp=15

Then you purchased a BCV resale anyway, a BCV add on from DVC, and then went over to maybe add even more points, stopped in to see if what it was like even though you actually stayed there for 4 nights and "then" noticed the cement/decor/noise etc and upon returning home, bash it again? :confused3
 
jade1 said:
Apologies. How about from this angle then:

So you stayed at BCV for 4 nights in March and pretty much bashed BCV (carper, wear and tear, size etc upon returning home to the point of not planning to stay there again and not your cup of tea:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=770461&page=1&pp=15

Then you purchased a BCV resale anyway, a BCV add on from DVC, and then went over to maybe add even more points, stopped in to see if what it was like even though you actually stayed there for 4 nights and "then" noticed the cement/decor/noise etc and upon returning home, bash it again? :confused3
I think the OP mentioned that she bought BCV because of a desire to be "in the action" and to spend a lot of pool time, as well as BCV's strong resale potential. She didn't seem to like it from the beginning, and it's clear she still doesn't.

Although I strongly diagree with her assessment of the BCV (it's one of my two favorites, the other being VWL), I wouldn't want to feel I couldn't complain to my heart's desire about anything Disney-related on these boards, despite the current state of the world. If things are that dire, none of us need to be frittering away our time on Disney message boards... :)
 
DVCLiz said:
I think the OP mentioned that she bought BCV because of a desire to be "in the action" and to spend a lot of pool time, as well as BCV's strong resale potential. She didn't seem to like it from the beginning, and it's clear she still doesn't.

Although I strongly diagree with her assessment of the BCV (it's one of my two favorites, the other being VWL), I wouldn't want to feel I couldn't complain to my heart's desire about anything Disney-related on these boards, despite the current state of the world. If things are that dire, none of us need to be frittering away our time on Disney message boards... :)


No I understand what you are saying and have moved on from the "world" problems. I just found it amazing that someone would stay 4 days at a resort, bash it on line, then buy it anyway, and bash it again on line and ask if they made a mistake. :teacher:
 
Jade1 – It seems my post struck a nerve with you. For that I am sorry. As I said in the OP, my intent was not to resort bash but to seek guidance and advice sorting through conflicting thoughts and opinions. It is hard for others to help someone make a decision without knowing that person’s thoughts and feelings. That was all I was trying to do.

For what it is worth, I am satisfied with my BCV re-sale purchase. By purchasing, I have gained the following:

1) Diversified my DVC portfolio, complementing my VWL points
2) Bought before point prices through Disney are going up in June
3) Will have an 11 month window in case I choose to stay there – my kids love SAB, we like the proximity to Epcot and the BW, and there are only a few units with 2 queen size beds in the second bedroom
4) Will have an trade advantage if I choose to trade reservations with another member for a less sought after resort
5) Hold an market advantage if I choose to rent my points considering the strong demand for BCV reservations
6) If I should someday decide to resell my points, hopefully the market for BCV points will still be strong and I will be able to get the majority of my money back, or potentially even get all of my money back.

Whether I like BCV or not is somewhat irrelevant. It was a good decision for our family for those reasons and we are satisfied with our purchase. Although I had some cringes of buyer’s remorse on site and was hopeful that the BCV would hit me differently this time, I know that the decision was sound. People evolve and families evolve, and what a family is looking for on one trip may be the complete opposite of what they are looking for on another trip. Tastes change and people change. I wouldn’t want to write off a resort without giving it several opportunities to enjoy it. I truly wish I loved the BCV as much as so many people do. That would make things a lot easier.

The real dilemma was that my waitlist for BCV points had come through because I forgot to pull my name from the list. We really could use another small point add-on to meet our vacation needs, so the unexpected call seemed to be a perfect fit. We were still contemplating purchasing these additional points for the reasons above. That was where the difficulty came in. I may not have articulated all of that clearly enough the first time. My thoughts were very conflicting and unsorted, which was why I was seeking help in the first place.

I can STILL justify purchasing the BCV points based on the facts above. As long as I have enough points to book VWL for the holiday season during the 11 month window, do we really need more VWL points, even if it is our favorite resort? As long as I can book it fairly easily at 7 months out at other times of the year, does it matter what resort name is on my points? Even if I never stay at BCV again, would the BCV points be a wiser choice? Just considering the facts, it would seem to me that the BCV points would be a better choice.

However, after re-visiting last week, I was unsure on whether my head or my heart should rule. This is a hard decision for a lot of people. After giving it much thought, we decided that although we enjoy all of the DVC locations for various reasons at various time of the year, we love VWL too much to be unsure of whether we could get a reservation at 7 months out. We won’t ever have any doubts or buyer’s remorse if we purchase where our heart is.

Again, thank you to those of you who sent the PMs and posts helping me sort through this. I appreciate it.

DVCLiz – A special thanks for defending my freedom of speech!
 
ddhoeg said:
DVCLiz – A special thanks for defending my freedom of speech!
As my mother used to say, "You're more than weelcome!"

Now, if we could just get you to change your mind about the fabulous BCV...
 
ddhoeg,

I understand completely. I especially agree with your point about "diversifying" your point portfolio.

As I said in my posting, we stayed at BCV this past New Year's Eve for a few days, and while we were not wowed by the resort, really liked the neighborhood, so to speak.

I probably would have added on BCV points if they were available, but added on BWV points. It really didn't make that much of a difference to us, as we didn't care about SAB and knew that it was location we were ultimately after. Though we do like the decor of BWV somewhat more.

We're not sorry we did it either, and have booked part of our December trip at BWV. It's nice to have the flexibility.
 
ddhoeg said:
Jade1 – It seems my post struck a nerve with you.

No big deal, hey if we have folks like yourself and others posting here buying BCV that dont even like it, plus all the folks buying that do like it, imagine how much higher the price will keep going for those of us that bought at $60. Not only that, the more buying it with plans to stay elswhere is even better for our 7 to 11 month planning-best of both worlds. :thumbsup2
 
Iankh - Thanks for the validation! I always enjoy reading your posts and have a high regard for your opinions and advice. :)
 
I've stayed at both. I love BCV. I also loved AKl but hated Boma, but this is what maked WDW so great. Its just fun to experience each and form your own opinions.
 



















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