Auto insurance BIG INCREASE!!!!

princess sparkle p

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I received our auto insurance renewal bill in the mail. It went up $500.00!!!!!

DH got a speeding ticket in July. We have never made a claim or had an accident.

Anyone know anything about insurance rates??? Anyone else have this happen???
 
I would venture to guess it's the speeding ticket - and you have now been placed in the "risk pool".. Not a good place to be - and normally lasts for several years.. Sorry.. :(
 
shop it. Some companies forgive your first offense. That is in the family. So if you had one and he had one then only one would be forgiven, not both.

Did you add a teen to the mix? If so make sure they are honor roll students -makes a big difference. That teen although may be accident/violation free but they still consider them inexperienced and will charge a point for that.

Not sure about your state but if they don't forgive the 1st offense,in NH you would be surcharged $90 per year for that 1 point. You could lose your safe driver credit which is 15% on all cars so if you have more than one car on the policy - ya it could be $500. Also because of the violation you may have dropped to a lower tier which makes the base cost of insurance higher before you throw in the speed.

I'd pull the mvr on all drivers and start shopping. Never "forget" a ticket or accident, we have ways of finding out.

Also, some carriers give you a good rate if your credit score is high, so that may also be an option and finally see if the Homeowners carrier you have discounts on one or both policies if they write the 2. Some companies give discounts even if you have a Tenants policy with them.

Good luck

denise
 
BOO! On car insurance companies!!! BOO!!!

I was involved in a car accident 3 years ago today. I was the middle car, at a complete stop and the guy hit me at 40 MPH. The guy had no insurance. I used my uninsured/underinsured part of my policy to cover my injuries, my son's injuries and to get my car replaced. Then comes my renewal in November. My policy went up because all of a sudden after 5 years with the company my bad credit is going to affect my policy. I was like what the heck? What does my credit have to do with my driving. I called them up and they told me that studies show that people that have bad credit are bad drivers. At that point I had not had one ticket on my record and had always had bad credit. I asked them if they could give me more information regarding these studies and they told me no that I would need to research it on my own. WHATEVER! Fast forward almost 3 years and getting married. I called to change my status on the insurance from single to married. My rates went down only if I added my husband on to my policy. But, I did not want to add him on because he has a lead foot and he has had a few tickets in the past few years. I gave up on them and went to my husband's insurance. They asked me if I had been in any accidents or had any tickets. I told them yes. They looked up my record and they said that the policy was going to go up because of an at-fault collision that I had been in. I told the new company that there was no way that it was my fault because I was in the middle at a complete stop and I was not cited with a ticket. The agent explained to me because my insurance company had to pay out towards my injuries and damages that it was classified as me being at fault. I was so mad. She said that all I needed was to get something from the old insurance company explaining what had happened and the new insurance company would not hold it against me. I was soooo mad!! So, that is why I BOO! at car insurance companies!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
 

It's possible that your renewal went up because the company your insured with had a rate increase. This would effect everyone insured with that company, so it may not be because of your driving history.

Generally speaking, and insurance company will not raise your rates because of one speeding ticket.
 
spazzyjazzy said:
What does my credit have to do with my driving. I called them up and they told me that studies show that people that have bad credit are bad drivers.


Bad credit has nothing to do with driving, but insurance companies have found a strong correlation between credit score and claims frequency.

People with lower credit tend to submit more insurance claims than people with higher credit. They may have the exact same amount of accidents, but someone with a higher credit is generally better off financially, so they are able to pay for the damage themselves instead of have to submit a claim.
 
princess sparkle p said:
I received our auto insurance renewal bill in the mail. It went up $500.00!!!!!

DH got a speeding ticket in July. We have never made a claim or had an accident.

Anyone know anything about insurance rates??? Anyone else have this happen???
Just wondering if there are any other tickets in the last few years? Not just him, but all of the household drivers. And is this his first ticket?
 
JMD said:
Bad credit has nothing to do with driving, but insurance companies have found a strong correlation between credit score and claims frequency.

People with lower credit tend to submit more insurance claims than people with higher credit. They may have the exact same amount of accidents, but someone with a higher credit is generally better off financially, so they are able to pay for the damage themselves instead of have to submit a claim.
I can see why they would apply those stats to a new client, but not an existing one that has been with them for years without incident/claims. It's wrong, IMO.
 
JMD said:
Bad credit has nothing to do with driving, but insurance companies have found a strong correlation between credit score and claims frequency.

What makes the insurance companies think that people of little means can afford their outrageous rates? :confused3 I think it has more to do with screwing over a group of people who have little choice. Kind of like the over-priced grocery stores in the ghetto. They're poor, they can't do anything about it, they got 'em bent over. :sad2:

Sorry, this is such a peeve of mine. :furious:
 
poohandwendy said:
I can see why they would apply those stats to a new client, but not an existing one that has been with them for years without incident/claims. It's wrong, IMO.


I agree. Actually, in CT, its illegal to use credit score to rate your renewal, but it varies state to state. Using credit scoring as a factor for insurance rates is relatively new. So if you've been with a company for a while, your credit score may not have made a difference. But it your state allows companies to use it on the renewal, it can significantly effect your rate.

I'm not suggesting thats what happened to the OP, just kind of going OT.
 
MzDiz said:
What makes the insurance companies think that people of little means can afford their outrageous rates? :confused3 I think it has more to do with screwing over a group of people who have little choice. Kind of like the over-priced grocery stores in the ghetto. They're poor, they can't do anything about it, they got 'em bent over. :sad2:

Sorry, this is such a peeve of mine. :furious:

It has nothing to do with screwing over a group of people. Bad credit does not have anything to do with economic status, it reflects your financial responsibility. There are plenty of people that make a very good living and have bad credit scores. And vice versa.

Insurance companies don't care whether or not someone can afford their rates. They charge a price for their product, just like something you buy in a store. The store won't lower their price if someone can't pay for it.

It has nothing to do with bending over poor people or grocery stores in the ghetto. Its basic math.
 
We have a good driver discount, and a additional discount over that for not having made any claims or having any tickets on our record for several years. We would lose both of those discounts if we got 1 ticket (although our "rate" would techincally stay the same, we would not be eligible for those bonus discounts and would owe a ton more). Is it possible thats what happened to you? Btw, dh had a speeding ticket last year but traffic school wiped it off his record so it didn't affect our ins., could you guys do that?

I would shop around to other companies, but if you were happy with your current insurance co prior to this, go back to them and see if they will match the price you are offered elsewhere. Some will, and it never hurts to ask.
 
JMD said:
It has nothing to do with screwing over a group of people. Bad credit does not have anything to do with economic status, it reflects your financial responsibility. There are plenty of people that make a very good living and have bad credit scores. And vice versa.

Insurance companies don't care whether or not someone can afford their rates. They charge a price for their product, just like something you buy in a store. The store won't lower their price if someone can't pay for it.

It has nothing to do with bending over poor people or grocery stores in the ghetto. Its basic math.

That's a very black and white view of the situation. When all companies charge an insane amount for insurance to people with poor credit, and you're legally required to buy insurance to drive your car, yeah, they're screwing people. It's not at all like a product in a store. If that were the case, you could buy a discount version or shop at another store.
For the record, there are also a good number of financially responsible people who are hit with some ugly situations and have to watch their credit rating drop a couple hundred points - THEN they get to bend over for their insurance company even when they've made no claims or had no tickets.
 
In the last year, we have had to redo both our home and auto insurance. Our home and my car were totaled in Katrina and since we rebuilt the house I was very nervous about the insurance increasing to a point where we could not afford it.

When our agent came by to redo everything, he told us that the disaster would not affect our rate as much as something that was our fault (like speeding or a dwi). How true that is, I don't know. Our agent said that if you can be held accountable it's a lot easier for the company to get away with increasing your premiums (or even dropping your coverage).
 
MzDiz said:
That's a very black and white view of the situation. When all companies charge an insane amount for insurance to people with poor credit, and you're legally required to buy insurance to drive your car, yeah, they're screwing people. .

"Insane" amounts may be a bit of stretch. And I guess he have a different definition of "screwing people". As I said before, Insurance companies charge a higher rate to people who are proven to submit more claims, regardless of economic class. Its not like they are specifically out to screw poor people.

MzDiz said:
It's not at all like a product in a store. If that were the case, you could buy a discount version or shop at another store..

You may be missing my point, but it probably was not the best example. All I was trying to say is, the price is the price. The insurance company can not charge someone less for the same product because they have less money. Thats not their problem

MzDiz said:
For the record, there are also a good number of financially responsible people who are hit with some ugly situations and have to watch their credit rating drop a couple hundred points - THEN they get to bend over for their insurance company even when they've made no claims or had no tickets.

I don't disagree. But insurance companies cannot rate on a case by case basis. Its not practical. The majority of people with lower credit have a higher claims frequency. Not everyone, but thats what they base it on.

And I'm not an advocate for big insurance companies, nor am I saying that I agree with credit scores impacting insurance premiums. Someone posted something about people with bad credit being bad drivers and I was just trying to clarify.
 
I don't know if any changes were made in Ohio, but rates increased in PA due to too many claims from people hitting deer. When you hit a deer, no one is at fault, but your deductible is also waived because it's unavoidable in most cases. With so many cases, premiums had to be raised.

Maybe that's what's happening in your area? I've never heard of your insurance being raised because you received 1 speeding ticket. I do freely admit though, we were young when my husband got his (thankfully, I've never gotten one - knocking wood here) I might not remember if our insurance premiums were effected.

Pick up the phone and give them a call. It's the only way you'll know for sure.
 
N.Bailey said:
I don't know if any changes were made in Ohio, but rates increased in PA due to too many claims from people hitting deer. When you hit a deer, no one is at fault, but your deductible is also waived because it's unavoidable in most cases. With so many cases, premiums had to be raised.

Maybe that's what's happening in your area? I've never heard of your insurance being raised because you received 1 speeding ticket. I do freely admit though, we were young when my husband got his (thankfully, I've never gotten one - knocking wood here) I might not remember if our insurance premiums were effected.

Pick up the phone and give them a call. It's the only way you'll know for sure.
Ain't that the truth. You can't swing a cat without hitting a deer around here.

OT, but what is up this year with roadkill? In this area, there is a dead animal almost every quarter mile. Seriously, it's like a mass suicide pact. I counted 2 squirrels, 1 possum, 1 deer and 4 groundhogs dead on the side of the road on the way to the mall.

Yesterday, I passed a groundhog just sitting there, not a care in the world, eating something about 2 feet into the road and it literally did NOT move as I passed it. Hello? I think they want to die.
 
Why is insurance expensive? Not a simple question or answer, but here is an example. (I don't work in auto insurance specifically, but I do work in insurance and primarily in loss control/prevention, etc. so this is a particular field of knowledge for me in everyday life...)

Let's say you pay out $500 every six months for your auto insurance. That is $1,000 per year. A part of that goes to paying salaries for the insurance company employees (and most of us make less than school teachers unless you are very high up!), part of it goes to paying for utilities and building expenses, etc. On and on it goes. Let's say you've been with the company for ten years. $1,000 per year for ten years means you've paid them a grand total of $10,000.

Now, let's say you are in an accident and there are injuries. The insurance company pays out $12,000 on that new car that you just totalled, and then they also pay out $18,000 in total medical expenses. That is a grand total of $30,000 in payments.

Now, take that $10,000 you have given them over the past ten years, and divide it by the $30,000 they just had to spend for a single event, and they have lost $3 for every $1 you gave them. Who is being nice then?

Make no mistake, yes, insurance is big business and the companies are in it to make money, but it is also an expensive business and the total risk involved is very high. Insurance is one of the most tightly regulated industries in America, with literally dozens upon dozens upon dozens of laws and regulations in force to keep insurance companies from overcharging customers, to keep them solvent (meaning we have enough money to pay potential claims in the case of losses), to prevent fraud, etc. You name it, there is probably a law for it and the companies are reviewed on a very regular basis and watched like hawks by state and federal regulators. The process required for an insurance company to raise rates is incredibly difficult and detailed and the amount of data required to present to state regulators in order to get them to agree to an increase is unbelievable if you've never been a part of it. The amount of "extra" profit above expenses that is allowed is not as big as you might think. And the only reason an insurance company can make a profit is if there are no catastrophic losses. Natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina can wipe out ten years worth of profits for an insurance company or even threaten to cause bankrupcies, etc.

So if the data proves that people with poor credit tend to cost insurance companies more money in claims payments, then they have a right to charge those people more money within reason. It is NOT the same as shopping at a store where every customer gets the same item and it costs the wholesaler the same amount per item to make what they are selling. Insurance is different for every person. Deductables are different. Coverage amounts are different. Potential risk is different. You can't charge the same amount to every person because every person is getting a different item. It isn't like buying a box of cereal off the shelf, or even a car, where every one is the same and the customer just has to grab it and pay for it. Therefore you cannot possibly price it as such. There are people who spend their entire careers studying data and reports and doing very complex mathematical calculations in order to determine fair and equitable rates for insurance (of all types) and then the state regulators have to agree to them. It isn't rocket science, but it is pretty darn close. They don't just draw numbers out of thin air. :teacher:

That being said, do I still get mad when my insurance rate goes up? Darn tootin'.

And, just for the record, speeding is breaking the law and is a risky behavior, and if you don't break the law by speeding you won't get tickets and your insurance rates won't go up because of it... the truth hurts sometimes. :rolleyes:
 
spazzyjazzy said:
My policy went up because all of a sudden after 5 years with the company my bad credit is going to affect my policy. I was like what the heck? What does my credit have to do with my driving. I called them up and they told me that studies show that people that have bad credit are bad drivers.
The study showed that people with poor credit scores were more likely to file claims (less available cash).
 
Ouch. My dh is a Mario Andretti wanna be with 2 tickets and a warning on his record and our state doesn't report it to insurance until you get above I believe 90 points on your record.

I freaked out on the last one he got because he'd gotten one about 3 months earlier AND a warning 6 months before as well. He asked about going to Defensive Driving school to have the ticket not show on the record and was informed that unless you are above 90 points on your record OR you have had 2 tickets in less than 30 days they won't report you to insurance.

It was nice to know but I wish they'd made him go to Defensive Driving! Now he knows how many points he has "left" and knowing him and his need for speed I'm concerned!

Also I've been in 2 car accidents. 1 was my fault and the other was the other persons fault. My insurance never raised as a result. Guess I should say that I just LOVE Travelers and leave it at that.

I'm sorry..that stinks so bad when something goes up that high. If it were $50 or even a little more but $500 that stinks! So sorry!
 

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