Attendance Up

that's why they can raise ticket prices-people are still coming....if attendance slows, the ticket prices will stay level.
 
I just wonder at what price will they reach a point were the cost of a family trip to WDW will be so expensive that a lot of familys will decide to go somewhere else?
 
TChris said:
I just wonder at what price will they reach a point were the cost of a family trip to WDW will be so expensive that a lot of familys will decide to go somewhere else?
Since the 5-10 day tickets are actually cheaper than a few years ago Disney is really just trying to reduce the number of local 1 day visitors, not the family on vacation.
 

TChris said:
I just wonder at what price will they reach a point were the cost of a family trip to WDW will be so expensive that a lot of familys will decide to go somewhere else?

Probably around the same time the NHL and NBA stop getting families of 4 to spend $500 for a game. Its getting crazy.
 
Check this out from the Orlando Sentinel this AM.

Disney passes putting squeeze on rival parks
Published August 10, 2006


I remember when Mickey Mouse took out Church Street Station with brutal efficiency by building Pleasure Island. In a few years, downtown's bustling tourist spot was deserted.

I hope Universal Orlando and SeaWorld paid attention. They're next.

The tourism industry is undergoing a tectonic shift, and the Mouse is positioning himself to deal with it.

Tourism has gone from an economic thrill ride to "mature industry."

There will be no new parks. There will be no huge annual increases in the number of visitors.

To keep those turnstiles turning faster, or even to keep pace with past attendance figures, the theme parks must capture a greater share of the market. That means they must cannibalize one another's crowds.

This is exactly what Disney had in mind when it came out with a new pricing structure in January 2005 called "Magic Your Way."

Naturally, it involved a price hike for daily admissions. But then came this carrot. Prices would plunge the longer you stayed at the parks.

For example, a basic three-day pass costs $192. For only $10 more, you get admission for a fourth day. For only $4 more, you get a fifth. From there, it is only $2 more for each additional day up to 10 days.

Disney has four parks. The average out-of-state visitor stays about six days. One might assume this average visitor would spend a day at each Disney park, then maybe head to Universal and/or SeaWorld.

Now plug in Magic Your Way.

Let's say your family of four is visiting Disney for six days. You've been to each park and now are considering options for days five and six. With Disney's pricing, you could get the whole family into the Disney parks -- there's still plenty left to see -- on both days for a total of only $24.

But if you took the family to Universal Orlando and/or SeaWorld for those two days, the tickets could cost you about $500.

Has this had an impact?

Last year, attendance at SeaWorld was stagnant, while attendance at Universal Orlando plunged 8.5 percent.

But attendance at Disney parks was up between 5 percent and 6.5 percent.

I think this success was behind Disney's recent price hike, the second this year. The Mouse smells blood.

Not only does this help make up for lost revenue from the discounted days, it also makes the longer stays an even better deal.

The major theme parks have a tradition of matching one another's price increases. Nobody wants to look like a discount attraction.

But Disney has put SeaWorld and Universal in a box. If they do raise prices, they simply make Magic Your Way a better alternative to their parks.

Universal and SeaWorld also have multiday-pass discounts, but they are not multiday destinations.

In the long run, the only way they may be able to compete is to hold down prices on their one-day admissions. The Disney squeeze is on, as both are offering various discounts. SeaWorld now is offering adult tickets at child prices on its Internet site.

When you cut a company's revenue growth, you cut its ability to invest in the product. This could give Disney what it has long wanted for its competitors, and what Universal and SeaWorld have long tried to avoid -- second-tier status.

Mike Thomas can be reached at 407-420-5525 or mthomas@orlandosentinel.com.


I think this explains the whole thing pretty well.
 
They won't be going to Universal... cause, trust me on this one.. Universal will be raising their prices to 67 bucks as well.... Don't they all follow each other?? SeaWorld will probably raise their prices not long after Universal...
 
This, I believe, maybe ten or fifteen years ago, you could go to the world and pratically have it to yourself, well compared t the crowds now a days. :rolleyes:
 
I've found the Magic Your Way to be a DEFINITE reason to just stay at Disney and not do US and SeaWorld. For one thing, there is ALWAYS something more you can do at Disney. Also, as the article says, why would I want to go to Universal and pay for 3 people to get in (which adds up to big bucks) when I can stay at Disney and go to the parks for a fraction of that cost??? This will be interesting to watch . . .
 
And, as posted, US already raised their prices to $67 ... match ...
 
A diabolical plan but one with a small hole in it. I've always used the WDW tickets in a mix n' match fashion. One year I'd just do Disney, the other year Universal and Disney or Universal and Sea World. I have a 10 day no expire pass that will help me do that for a much longer span of time except now I'll be buying MYW expiring tickets as well as the other parks to use with my 10 day no expire. On Monday I'll be heading to my local AAA to buy a Universal preferred park pass to get the 2 year for the price of one deal. This will change my theme park attendance pattern for the 2 years quite neatly.

IMHO I think Universal and Sea World just need to cross market more aggressively. Something as small as free express transportation between the two would go a looong way towards helping out. A bit more on Universal's side than Sea Worlds (since they have City Walk). In fact they might also work with some of the bigger local timeshare companies along their route for "free" pick ups as well. I bet a CFI might be happy to pitch in on the cost since it brings free potential suckers...I mean clients...right to their door daily.
 
Fitswimmer said:
Check this out from the Orlando Sentinel this AM.

Disney passes putting squeeze on rival parks
Published August 10, 2006


I remember when Mickey Mouse took out Church Street Station with brutal efficiency by building Pleasure Island. In a few years, downtown's bustling tourist spot was deserted.

I hope Universal Orlando and SeaWorld paid attention. They're next.

The tourism industry is undergoing a tectonic shift, and the Mouse is positioning himself to deal with it.

Tourism has gone from an economic thrill ride to "mature industry."

There will be no new parks. There will be no huge annual increases in the number of visitors.

To keep those turnstiles turning faster, or even to keep pace with past attendance figures, the theme parks must capture a greater share of the market. That means they must cannibalize one another's crowds.

This is exactly what Disney had in mind when it came out with a new pricing structure in January 2005 called "Magic Your Way."

Naturally, it involved a price hike for daily admissions. But then came this carrot. Prices would plunge the longer you stayed at the parks.

For example, a basic three-day pass costs $192. For only $10 more, you get admission for a fourth day. For only $4 more, you get a fifth. From there, it is only $2 more for each additional day up to 10 days.

Disney has four parks. The average out-of-state visitor stays about six days. One might assume this average visitor would spend a day at each Disney park, then maybe head to Universal and/or SeaWorld.

Now plug in Magic Your Way.

Let's say your family of four is visiting Disney for six days. You've been to each park and now are considering options for days five and six. With Disney's pricing, you could get the whole family into the Disney parks -- there's still plenty left to see -- on both days for a total of only $24.

But if you took the family to Universal Orlando and/or SeaWorld for those two days, the tickets could cost you about $500.

Has this had an impact?

Last year, attendance at SeaWorld was stagnant, while attendance at Universal Orlando plunged 8.5 percent.

But attendance at Disney parks was up between 5 percent and 6.5 percent.

I think this success was behind Disney's recent price hike, the second this year. The Mouse smells blood.

Not only does this help make up for lost revenue from the discounted days, it also makes the longer stays an even better deal.

The major theme parks have a tradition of matching one another's price increases. Nobody wants to look like a discount attraction.

But Disney has put SeaWorld and Universal in a box. If they do raise prices, they simply make Magic Your Way a better alternative to their parks.

Universal and SeaWorld also have multiday-pass discounts, but they are not multiday destinations.

In the long run, the only way they may be able to compete is to hold down prices on their one-day admissions. The Disney squeeze is on, as both are offering various discounts. SeaWorld now is offering adult tickets at child prices on its Internet site.

When you cut a company's revenue growth, you cut its ability to invest in the product. This could give Disney what it has long wanted for its competitors, and what Universal and SeaWorld have long tried to avoid -- second-tier status.

Mike Thomas can be reached at 407-420-5525 or mthomas@orlandosentinel.com.


I think this explains the whole thing pretty well.

Now I remember why they call it the "Slant-inel".

How many years was Pleasure Island open before Church St. Station closed, 10? I certainly dont think it was 2 or 3 like the article implies. There were other factors at work there.

Universal IS a multi-day destination and there's tons of on-site guests to prove it.

Yes, Disney is trying to squash the competition and thats no secret, but competition is a GOOD thing, without competition Disney could get stagnant again and build more poor quality attractions.

Universal's problem is and has always been marketing.
 
yes the 7day is cheaper l, but the 5 to 6,7 trips we did not haveto pay for no expiration. it was just included. it still is a great price though, and we always do hopping. the water parks are cheaper to.
 
Yes, Disney is trying to squash the competition and thats no secret, but competition is a GOOD thing, without competition Disney could get stagnant again and build more poor quality attractions.
That wouldn't bother Disney at all. If they could get rid of the competition and keep guests coming without having to up the ante on new attractions, they'd be very happy.

This really does seem to be working well for Disney. With their pricing plan, they are taking greater advantage of their size, as well as their advantage as the primary draw in the area.

But it should also be noted that they had quite a few significant attractions open in the last 2 years. I don't keep up as much with Universal, but I don't think they've opened up anything big lately, have they?

Then there's the celebration of Disneyland's 50th, certainly a significant event in the minds of many.

It will be interesting to see where things go from here. Disney's next promotion isn't tied to a big event like the last three were (Millineum, Walt's 100th, Disneyland's 50th). WDW also doesn't have any major new attractions in the works. I can only think of the Nemo show in AK, which is the replacement for Tarzan Rocks.

Universal / Sea World have a chance to fight back, but again, in not keeping up with them I'm not sure if they are planning any kind of real counterattack.

I can see two potential holes in Disney's plan. One is if they underestimate the role the new attractions have had in bringing people in. If they think they can continue to acheive this kind of growth almost exclusively with pricing/marketing, they could get a big surprise.

I also wonder if somewhere down the road they may wish they had more of the short trip people coming in. While certainly some of them are extending their stays, some are also just saying "forget it". When times get tight again, and tourism takes a dip, how will the pricing work then? Sure, they'll offer incentives and discounts, but not everybody comes back so easy.
 
It should also be noted that per Disney, one of the factors in the attendance and occupancy increases was the shift of Easter from the 2nd quarter last year to the 3rd quarter this year.

Certainly that was not the only factor though.
 
raidermatt said:
But it should also be noted that they had quite a few significant attractions open in the last 2 years. I don't keep up as much with Universal, but I don't think they've opened up anything big lately, have they?

Nothing major, they opened Fear Factor Live which is only for a certain audience and the Seuss Trolley ride at IOA.

Yet the problem remains that a lot of people don't even realize there's two parks at Universal, and still are clueless about the quality of the overall resort area. That tells me it's the marketing still not being effective, even after 7 years since IOA opened along with the rest of the entertainment/resorts.
 
raidermatt said:
It should also be noted that per Disney, one of the factors in the attendance and occupancy increases was the shift of Easter from the 2nd quarter last year to the 3rd quarter this year.

Certainly that was not the only factor though.
True, but even so they were also up 4% in the prior quarter over the same period (which included Easter) in 2005.
 
ChrisFL said:
Yet the problem remains that a lot of people don't even realize there's two parks at Universal, and still are clueless about the quality of the overall resort area. That tells me it's the marketing still not being effective, even after 7 years since IOA opened along with the rest of the entertainment/resorts.
I dunno; there are still a lot of folks who think WDW is just MK.
 
raidermatt said:
WDW also doesn't have any major new attractions in the works. I can only think of the Nemo show in AK, which is the replacement for Tarzan Rocks.

I can see two potential holes in Disney's plan. One is if they underestimate the role the new attractions have had in bringing people in. If they think they can continue to acheive this kind of growth almost exclusively with pricing/marketing, they could get a big surprise.
WDW is different then DL though. For the next couple of years Everest will still be new for many people coming to the parks. The same with Lights Motors Action, Soaring, etc. Many vacationers go every 2-3 years, or even longer. We see on these boards where people are counting down for trips 2-3 years from now. Something big in 2008(maybe Midway Madness), then 2010(MK based), along with minor additions should suffice. Obviously downturns in the economy will hurt all the parks.
 

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