At WDW now: Rain and why we got off the bus in the rain

SueM in MN

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Hi -
My family is at WDW right now at SSR. We got here on Sunday and are in the middle of our vacation. I've got internet for the next 22 or so hours (unless I pay another $9.95 for another 24 hours).

So far, it's been rain, rain and more rain. We went to the 25th Anniversary of Epcot on Oct 1 and got a bit wet several times. About 20 minutes before Illuminations was due to begin, it started raining heavily and then it started to pour. We made it to the roofed area of the building where First Aid is and stayed there until the rain let up a little. We got to the bus just as Illuminations was starting.

We've had some rain every day since we got here. Most of the time when we've been out, it's been kind of heavy drizzle, so we managed to get under cover and avoid the heavy downpours.

Last night we were at Epcot again and decided to leave about 7pm when it was heavy drizzle.
We got to bus stop and luckily there was a bus waiting there.
DH and DD in her wheelchair parked near the back door and I went to the front to tell the driver we had a wheelchair to load. He was busy giving someone some bus cards, looked at me, but didn't respond until he was done with the man, I had said we had a wheelchair to board twice and I actually got on the bus and went up to his seat. His response then wasn't too encouraging; he didn't get up - I went toward the door again and he said "Lady, are you getting off or staying on?"
I said I was getting off to get the wheelchair on, but wanted to make sure he knew we had a wheelchair. He kind of sighed, but did get out of his seat and made his way to the back of the bus.
It was one of the buses with a ramp, so he really didn't have to do much to get the wheelchair on. When I parked DD's wheelchair into the spot, he began to attach one of the hooks to the back of DD's armest.
I said, "You don't want to attach there. That armrest just pulls right off," and pointed to 2 places further down on the frame that could be used and explained they were part of the frame.
His response was "It will OK. I like to attach as high as possible." I said that was fine as long as it was a part of the wheelchair frame, but
not an appropriate place for a removable part and demonstrated the armrest pulls right off.
He looked at me gave another sigh (at that point, his look reminded me of Jackie Gleason when he says "To the moon, Alice.")
He put one hook loosely around the area I had shown him and went to the front of the wheelchair. There should be 2 hooks attached on the back of the frame and they should be tightened down, but I figured I would handle that once he got done with the front.

There are supposed to be 2 hooks at the front of the wheelchair, one for each side. He took the hook that was supposed to go to the left wheel (the one farthest into the bus) and dragged it across the front of the wheelchair to the right wheel. I said he needed 2 hooks at the front and the rear. He said there was "only one working on the front and one on the back" and it would be "OK".
I said that was not enough and if the equipment was not working, we would get off the bus.
He said "It will be safe. I wouldn't do anything to put your DD at risk." I said if his equipment was not working, it should be reported and that bus should be out of service for wheelchairs until it was fixed.
He said we were lucky to get on his bus because he was ready to pull out when he arrived and that one hook front and back was enough because he was planning to put the seat belt around the wheelchair (instead of around like a seatbelt).
I said again that arrangement was not safe and that we would not ride like that. He repeated again that it would be "OK. I wouldn't do anything to put your DD at risk." I said we were getting off the bus because the wheelchair not being tied down correctly was not safe.

We got off the bus, took his name and the bus number. DH called to report a bus that had malfunctioning tiedown equipment that should be pulled out of service. As far as I could tell (and we have ridden LOTS of WDW buses), the equipment was working just fine; the bus driver just did not want to take the time to attach 2 hooks (and reach down further to get to the appropriate point).

A few minutes later, another bus came along and the bus driver (a lady named Rusty) did an excellent and professional job of tieing down the wheelchair.
Other than the guy the story was about, we have had drivers who did an excellent job of tieing down DD's wheelchair.
 
Was he a big guy? We had a big man that was a bus driver once that was a real jerk. The bus was at EPCOT it only had 5 people on it and no one waiting in line to get on when we got to the bus stop. I went to the door to tell him that I had 2 chairs that needed to be loaded because after we got to the stop he closed his door. He yelled at me and said I see them. Then he lowered the ramp they wheeled on he only put one tie down on the back and one on the front. I told him they needed 2 tie downs on each place and he told me he drives so slow it doesn't matter. At that point I hooked the other tie downs.

The next day I was complaining about that guy to a young kid that was working at the monorail and he said yah I know him he used to be a truck driver and his moto is WDW "we don't work".
 
Was he a big guy? We had a big man that was a bus driver once that was a real jerk. The bus was at EPCOT it only had 5 people on it and no one waiting in line to get on when we got to the bus stop. I went to the door to tell him that I had 2 chairs that needed to be loaded because after we got to the stop he closed his door. He yelled at me and said I see them. Then he lowered the ramp they wheeled on he only put one tie down on the back and one on the front. I told him they needed 2 tie downs on each place and he told me he drives so slow it doesn't matter. At that point I hooked the other tie downs.

The next day I was complaining about that guy to a young kid that was working at the monorail and he said yah I know him he used to be a truck driver and his moto is WDW "we don't work".
sounds like the same guy to me. Maybe because you hooked the other hooks, he changed his story to the hooks being "broken".
His size and shape reminded me of Jackie Gleason.
We reported him by name and bus number on the phone and will follow up with written contact to WDW when we get back.
 
Sue, you probably should have gotten a manager and complained right away about this driver's treatment of you and your DD. I understand from talking to a Disney driver (a good one) online that any manager can handle bus complaints, not just transportation managers. Any CM can call one for you.

His actions were very unprofessional and it sounds to me this driver needs to be retrained and possibly moved out of transportation. While complaining over the phone and writing a letter is good it is better to complain in person as soon as possible after the incident.
 

sounds like the same guy to me. Maybe because you hooked the other hooks, he changed his story to the hooks being "broken".
His size and shape reminded me of Jackie Gleason.
We reported him by name and bus number on the phone and will follow up with written contact to WDW when we get back.

That's him. I can't remember his name but I think it was George.
 
That's him. I can't remember his name but I think it was George.
Ron

We did report him by phone. DH asked to be transferred until he got to a transportation manager. He told them the bus (we had the number) needed to be taken out of service for wheelchairs if it was not working, but also told them that we thought the bus was probably working just fine - it was the driver who wasn't.
 
:scared1: Goodness me! No wonder you got off the bus! From all Disney-lovers on wheels, thank you for reporting him! Was the other wheelchair spaced filled, or was he claiming that the tie-downs for that one were 'broken' too?

Hope you enjoy the rest of the trip and that the weather lets up for you!
 
Sue- I had something similar happen last month but can't remember the driver's name. He didn't tie my chair down at all!!! He kept saying it wouldn't move because he was going to drive slowly. My jaw just dropped- usually each driver is very meticulous about attaching four tie-downs. I got the feeling that this guy couldn't reach down that far due to his weight and his own "condition" and just didn't want to bother.---Kathy
 
I would have done the same thing. I would never take anyones word for it. You did the right thing!!! Terrible!!!!!!::scared1: :scared1:
 
:scared1: Goodness me! No wonder you got off the bus! From all Disney-lovers on wheels, thank you for reporting him! Was the other wheelchair spaced filled, or was he claiming that the tie-downs for that one were 'broken' too?

Hope you enjoy the rest of the trip and that the weather lets up for you!
Some people were sitting in that seat. He didn't ask them to move or mention that there was another spot where a wheelchair could be tied down.
My assumption was that he just didn't want to bother with the wheelchair. He probably didn't realize that I knew there was a second tiedown position.
I figured that it didn't pay to push the point; if he would not do it correctly at one spot, I had no confidence that he would do it right in another.

I just know that after we called him in, he will have some 'splainin' to do.
 
Be sure that you mention that he has done this before twice that you know of once with us and then with Kathy.
Thanks.
When I write my letter/email, I will add that.
I will say that we can't be sure your situations were the same guy since you don't have a for sure name. But that the guy we had the experience met the general description of the man that the two of you had experience with and his behavior was certainly consistent.
 
Make it 3 times because it has happened to me as well. Very put out with me because I would not back up the ramp. Then told me to to hold the back of the seat if I need but he would drive slow so I would be just fine. Only have had 1 driver do this ever. Most tie the chair down and seatbelt me as well.
 
This guy needs to be fired. Hopefully they get rid of him before someone gets hurt or killed because of his laziness and stubborness. Sue, thank you for taking the time to make this issue known, and hope you have a great rest of your vacation!

BTW, I've never had a bus driver at WDW who drove slowly... :woohoo: :scared1: :eek:
 
Sue, thank you for informing us of this. If we run into him when we go in November and he pulls this with us I will throw a fit and go straight to a manager at the park. He is messing with people's lives here. He needs to be fired.
 
Please let us know what happens on this one Sue, I'm sure we all want to be kept informed (if for nothing else, just to let us to know whether we still have to watch out for him or not :scared1:).
 
Sorry you had to go back out in the rain. Thanks for following through. I'll be watching for your update.
 
Sue Ellen,

I was working that night and know that the bus was pulled from service to inspect the restraints. The driver was called to the coordinators office. Other than that, I don't know what else was done.

It is drivers like that who can give the rest of us a bad name. I am always happy to assist a W/C guest and will thank them for helping to tie down a chair. It is a joy to work with those who are truely in need as they are not the ones that are difficult to deal with and really appreciate the services that we provide. I am always grateful when the guest can point out mount points. It makes my job easier.

It IS Disney policy to use 4 restraints when securing a chair/ECV. If you have less than the required restraints available, the bus is out of service, period.

From the rest of the "good drivers" I apologize for your experience and I'm very happy that Rusty was able to properly assist you.
 
Pardon me while I have a fit of rage about this incident, and all others like it.

I have many opinions about this incident that are not fit for posting on a board. There are so many other ways that driver could have done it, and there are many things that he should have done, any of which would have been acceptable. It's not difficult to tell the strong parts of a wheelchair from those that break away, and there was not excuse for that. Sometimes, I get a belt that doesn't hold, and as long as it's one of the ones in the middle of the two ADA slots, I just use a strap from the other location.

I agree with putting the straps as high as possible, but not to the point where that bus driver was doing it. Anywhere mid-level of the chair or higher is really acceptable, again, unless there are places specifically put onto the frame for tiedowns, such as on many children's chairs.

Rest assured, if you get on Cranbiz's or my bus for the rest of your trip, you will be treated right. Ours, or most other drivers' buses, for that matter.

On behalf of all the good drivers, I'm sorry you had to have an idiot and a jerk for a bus driver like that. Hopefully, it won't happen again.
 
I'm glad to hear the bus was pulled from service and the driver at least talked to by a coordinator. Hopefully either this driver learns his lesson and starts doing the right thing from now on. If he doesn't he should be fired.

His actions were not only rude but dangerous. If he had to stop fast an improperly secured chair and its occupant could go flying. I know that safety is job one for all CMs and this driver's actions aren't safe.
 














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