Article on parks upkeep(or lack thereof)

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Battle far from park visitors' minds
However, frequent visitors say upkeep has slipped recently.
By Todd Pack
Sentinel Staff Writer

March 3, 2004

Doug Murray worries that the Disney parks are in a slow, sad decline.

Don't get him wrong. He loves Disney and takes his wife to Walt Disney World at least once a week.

But he can't help thinking the parks are losing some of their fabled magic.

"If you were at a Disney park 10 years ago, you couldn't walk down the street without seeing someone sweeping up. Now, I don't think you'd ever see someone sweeping up," said Murray, a writer who lives in Deltona.

Such comments sting, but Disney executives say they're a reflection of the high expectations people have of the company's parks.

"Only we would be judged this way," Disney spokesman Bill Warren said.

Still, such criticisms are proving a rallying point for former directors Roy Disney and Stanley Gold in their bid to unseat Michael Eisner as chairman and chief executive of the Walt Disney Co.

On Tuesday, Disney said he has been concerned about the company's parks for a while.

Speaking at a news conference a day before the company's annual shareholders meeting in Philadelphia, Walt Disney's nephew referred to the parks as one and said the company should "paint the damn thing and change the light bulbs that are out. It needs that kind of attention."

Comcast Corp. has also taken swipes at the parks.

Stephen Burke, a senior executive with the cable company, which made an unsolicited bid last month to buy Disney, has called the parks a key asset but said, "We believe there are ways to revitalize those businesses, to restore some of the creative spark to the attractions."

Eisner has rejected such criticism as "rhetoric."

Besides the $100 million rocketship ride Mission: Space at Epcot and the 3-D movie Mickey's PhilharMagic at the Magic Kingdom, company officials say Disney is investing heavily in new attractions at each of its four parks in Orlando.

"We feel very good about the state of Walt Disney World," said Erin Wallace, senior vice president of operations at the company's Orlando resort. Disney has reduced capital spending at its U.S. parks -- down about $700 million in 2003 compared with 2001 -- but it hasn't neglected them, she said.

Critics such as Roy Disney, though, worry the company is overlooking the little things that historically separated its parks from those of its competitors.

"I've had e-mails say, 'When did you stop keeping the restrooms clean?' And I'm in absolute shock about that," he said in Philadelphia.

"If we ever had a trademark, it was that: cleanliness," he said.

Disneyphiles agree, saying it's disappointing when the parks don't meet their high expectations.

"Used to, you could take a piece of wrapping paper and throw it on the ground and within two minutes, it would be picked up by somebody," said Arlen Miller, president of World Chapter, a local Disney collectibles club.

Now, it may take several minutes for a custodian to sweep up the trash, he said.

In a way, such criticism is a compliment, said Jeff Vahle, senior vice president of facilities and operations services. "It's a tribute to us that people notice when there's a piece of trash on the ground," he said.

Vahle said the Orlando resort has an army of about 5,000 workers responsible for maintaining the property -- about 10 percent of the resort's work force.

"Whenever they see 'bad show'" -- anything that looks less than perfect -- "that team is responsible for going out and addressing that within 24 to 48 hours," he said.

Supervisors survey the parks daily, and ordinary employees are given a special phone number to report problems, he said.

On one recent weekday morning, there were signs of wear on the monorail that shuttled guests from the parking lot to the gates of the Magic Kingdom -- chipped paint on some of the metal surfaces and scuffs on some of the wall panels.

But when the train cut through the atrium of the Contemporary Resort on its way from the parking lot to the park, a server in one of the hotel's restaurants paused to wave at the passengers.

Inside the park, it was plain that workers hadn't completed repairs of a broken window above Main Street U.S.A. They had replaced one of four panes in the second-story window of Town Square Tailors, but they hadn't yet replaced the fictional business' sign.

Uniformed employees with brooms and dustpans swept through the park. And despite the crowds there was almost no litter save a discarded show schedule here and a candy wrapper there.

Disney sets the standard for theme parks, said consultant Jerry Aldrich of Orlando.

"The whole world of the amusement industry looks up to these guys," said Aldrich, president of Amusement Industry Consulting and a former Disney executive.

But setting the standard isn't easy, said Bill Coan, president of ITEC Entertainment in Orlando and a former Disney executive.

Since the Magic Kingdom opened its gates in 1971, Walt Disney World has grown into one of the world's most visited resorts, with 20 hotels and time-share properties, four amusement parks, two water parks and a "downtown" shopping and entertainment district.

"Disney has a real choice between perfection and realities of commercial business," Coan said. "It'll never be perfect, but what they do is awful darn good."

Recent first-time visitor Evelyn Guthrie had no complaints.

"As a big kid, I thought it was wonderful," said Guthrie, a 67-year-old grandmother from Scotland.

Was it as wonderful as she had imagined it would be?

"Absolutely," she said.

Sean Mussenden of the Sentinel staff contributed to this story. Todd Pack can be reached at tpack@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5407.
 
Interesting article. And right on target if you ask me. My August visit turned up alot of sad surprises. One of the most glaring atrocities was GRAFITTI on Splash Mountain. Absolutely no excuse for that. I also, for the first time, encountered a restroom so filthy that I walked right back out. It was located in Tomorrowland, and it was a nightmare. Never before, even in the most remote of restrooms, have I witnessed that at WDW.

Yes, it's true, Disney's reputation for sparkling clean parks is flying right out the window, and there's no way that Michael Eisner can deny that (even though he tries).:rolleyes:
 
Just got back on tues. and the parks were in good shape. Lots of painting going on and I didn,t see any graffiti at SM. I will agree that the restrooms leave a great deal to be desired. no one seems to be around to clean up. Saw lots of sweepers in Epcot. even at night.I guess that I am too busy looking at all the neat stuff.
 
I agree that Disney Parks have slipped in cleanliness. They are still very clean, but not maintained at the level that they used to be. We visit at least once per year, and that's really too bad. We, like many folks on this board, noticed the bathrooms as the area that had deteriorated the fastest.

Last year we visited Cedar Point for the first time. All of us agreed that they now surpass Disney in cleanliness. It was the best maintained park that I have seen in years. Sweepers were everywhere, and every bathroom had an attendant until close. Graffitti that we noticed one day was gone the next. We, quite frankly, were astounded. They also ran many of the popular rides at full capacity (all trains on the track) until close.

Nobody beats the overall experience that Disney offers. I now know one organization that beats them in cleanliness. At least that was my experience in 2003, and I visited both. I was so impressed that I am requesting information on investing in Cedar Fair (The parent company of Cedar Point)

The last time we were at Universal Studios, we also noticed that their cleanliness had surpassed Disneys.

Disney still had the edge in the friendliness of employees tho.

Just our family's opinion.
 

I have hardly seen any of the parks without some major painting going on somewhere. Also restrooms are cleaned every 30 minutes. Stop sometime and look around, you will probably see a showkeeping cast member.
 
I have enjoyed going to WDW for years. It was the most wonderful, the cleanest, etc. !!! I bragged about WDW every chance I got!

I am also a DVC member. We just returned from a 9 day vacation over Presidents Week, I want to tell you that I never saw such dirty restrooms at WDW in my life!. We went to all the Parks, the Transportation and Ticket Center and just about every restroom had unflushed and dirty toilets, etc., and paper was on the floors. Most of the time there were no employees to be seen.
I couldn't believe it. I noticed that there also seemed to be fewer employees in other areas, monorails, restaurants, etc.

June
 
I've reposted this numerous times, but this is part of a trip report I did back last July -

Public bathrooms next to Morocco were the worst I have ever seen at WDW. I’m guessing at least 15 stalls? None had toilet paper, several were clogged, no paper towels and trash piled on the floor from days ago? My mom and I were totally blown away. My dad hunted down a CM and they called for someone to come clean. What a mess! Very disappointing!

I did email WDW after I got back. Weeks later someone called and apologized. I pointed out to her that I was very worried about seeing such things after I had just recently bought into DVC. Obviously, emails complaining of bathrooms being dirty doesn't improve things... :rolleyes:

I'm also worried and embarrassed to take my parents back there this coming July. During a trip with them at Christmas both of them kept pointing out things to me. Made me embarrassed that I bought into DVC, I know they think I was foolish. We're a Disney family. My parents took me there often as a child. They can see a difference and so can I.
 
This will be unpopular. It needs to be said anyway. I do agree that Disney needs to step up and keep the parks clean they way we all deserve them to be. I am not in defense of the cut backs.

When, however, does part of the blame lie in the hands of the people who are doing the littering and not flushing the toliets. There are trash cans every where. When they are full, that is Disney's fault. When they are not and people continue to litter - that is society's fault. It seems to becoming acceptable behavior to litter.

There have been times, I have witnessed someone blatantly littering. I have no problem picking up their mess and returning it to them. You see it everywhere. Our highways - take a good look on your next drive. Even in shopping carts.

When did we become so disrespecful of our surroundings?

My last visit to Disney, a young boy had forgotten to return his 3D glasses after experiencing "It's a Bug's Life". The Mother grabbed the glasses from him and threw them on the ground.
What an example to set.

I have no patience with people not being accountable for their own actions. I believe the people who post here are all concerned with the cleanliness and therefore are not part of the problem. But the problem is much more than the Disney cutbacks.

There I said it and I feel much better.
 
I've always seen the parks as very clean, well kempt and efficient places - if they have, indeed, declined in quality or upkeep, then the parks of ten years ago must have been bliss

wishuponastarforever, I completely agree with your sentiment :)



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Originally posted by Peter Pirate
d2000, I am gaining respect for you with each new post...And it isn't just about grammar.
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:blush: :blush: :blush:

What can I say to that? Every post I've seen you make has been consistently intelligent and well balanced. You are speaking to someone who is in fact very much in your own shadow :)

Thanx :)




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There is an unavoidable decline in assets due to age. This coupled with our increased awareness (after many, many visits) of how we remember things contribute to posts like these. I will agree that things aren't as (new, clean, wonderful, magic, etc) as they were 10 years ago from my perspective.

That said, I doubt WDW is scrimping on the workers to clean the restroom (maintenance $). I do think they are scrimping on the upgrades (capital $). Where Eisner was once the one to spend the $ on expansion (build it and they will come) I think he has lost that drive. In my mind that's the "missing" magic and what we have to get back.

Maybe it's time to take the company private. Who's in?
 
Yes, it was blissful ten years ago!!!!!
 
Also restrooms are cleaned every 30 minutes.

I believe at one time the restrooms had full time attendants. IMHO the very last place to have cuts would be the attenants. I can forgive a piece of paper on the ground, but................ a dirty restroom!!!

Which way to Cedar Point??????!!!!!!!!
 
I personally disagree with the washroom being cleaned every 30 minutes.

The washroom next to Pinocchio Village Haus was filthy when I entered before dinner and about 50 minutes later (after I'm done with my dinner), it's still in the exact same situation (oh, just MORE filthy).

Some of the faucets were not working so a whole bunch of us have to line up to use the only two faucets that work.
 
I'll chime in here and agree with wishuponastar... People in general are messier and more disrespectful than they were in years past. So WDW has to keep up with the decline in society? Tough job, but it takes both sides.

And one thing I wondered on my last trip: Maybe people don't KNOW that if the automatic flush on the toilet doesn't work, there is a little button to push???
 
One good thing to report: the cleanliness situation, at least at DL, was vastly improved when I went last week. The park looked a whole lot cleaner, and the atmosphere just seemed to be best that I've experienced in a while. Down point: Someone smoking pot in a isolated place, and a number of people smoking around the park. I would love to see CMs cracking down on stuff like that.:mad:
 
That's the other problem, people smoking in the park, walking past SEVERAL CMs along Main Street, during daytime, one of them don't even attempt to hide his CIGAR. Guess what? Not a single CM give a damn. This was about 3 weeks ago.

Also, during my one week trip during President's Week '04, I saw two overflowing toilets. When I reported during one of the instances to a CM just outside the washroom, he told me that it's not his job and he didn't even call it in.

There are worse places than WDW, and I still find that WDW to be relatively cleaner. However, compared to the 12 years ago (the last time I went there before my trip 3 weeks ago), this place deteriorated too much.
 
While I wholeheartedly agree that WDW is cleaner by far than most amusement parks, I also must agree that it hasn't been up to it past standards.

It is true that people are less respectful and throw things down that they should not, but it is still WDW's job to pick it up. I am not faulting the CMs - it is the cut backs that are to blame. How many CMs could have been employed with Michael Eisner's bonus?!?!? But that is another thread.........

When we were there in January. I saw the same hair scrunchee near the beginning of Splash Mountain for a week! A WEEK! I agree the idiot who threw it out there shouldn't have, but A WEEK! It was bright pink and impossible to miss among the brown/tan 'mountainside'. We almost found ourselves looking for it instead of hidden Mickeys.....

We sat down on the curb on Main street and the trash can near us was over flowing. The others on Main Street appeared to be empty (at least they were not so full as to be overflowing). We sat there quite awhile. DD and I waited for hubby & DS to purchase ice cream, then we sat there and ate it. It was not after a parade. You can't fault the public for that. They put the trash in the can - no one was empting it. This was not one of the ones connected to the tubes - my son checked out the bottom to be sure. He took this as proof that I didn't know what I was talking about saying the trash cans were connected to tubes - he's 13 years old - he lives to prove his parents know nothing :crazy:

These things were not enough to make our vacation less enjoyable, it is just that those things never would've occured a few years back. I could better understand cutbacks if everyone was experiecing them. But the guys at the top of Disney aren't cutting back - they are getting millions of dollars.
 
So WDW has to keep up with the decline in society? Tough job, but it takes both sides.
Disney can only control one side. As with anything, if you don't keep up, you get left behind. For some reason, the practical application of that obvious statement is often lost.
 












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