Arsenic in Apple Juice

[drag n' fly]

With all due repect Dr. Oz is fear mongering. Arsenic occurs naturally in the seeds. Seriously a load of crap.

 

[hambirg]

With all due repect Dr. Oz is fear mongering. Arsenic occurs naturally in the seeds. Seriously a load of crap.

Not true. Apple seeds (or pips) do not contain arsenic. They contain cyanide, which is toxic. But the amount contained in apple seeds is so small that our bodies can metabolize it without any ill effects. Somebody would have to eat an insanely large amount of apple pips to be poisoned by the cyanide in them.

 

[cornflake]

You're joking right? I'm definitely sensitive to MSG and yet I eat a wide array of foods... just not processed stuff. The only things I eat processed are crackers and cereal. And small amounts really don't bother me, but give me a slice of pizza (covered in all that parmesan cheese) or chinese food and my head just starts hurting for hours. People rely on prepackaged food to much anyway.

Not joking. Most studies can't find any link between MSG and reactions that people claim, though a few have found some people to possibly be sensitive. Same as the lactose thing, there are people with lactose intolerance (though lactose intolerance is much more firmly established to exist). There are not close to as many people with it who think they have it.

MSG is in most processed stuff, as 'yeast extract', 'natural flavouring' etc., etc., etc. including things most people don't think of when they think of processed foods, like condomints, soy burgers or other fake meat, stuff with yeast extracts, nearly all soy stuff has MSG, as it's a product of fermentation and that's how most soy-based ingredients are made, beyond straight beans.

Also, parmesan cheese is, yes, lousy with MSG. As are mushrooms, tomatoes, etc.

Source? Is this naturally occurring or added?

The reason I ask is that I elect to avoid it and I know what we have that is on your list doesn't have it added.

For one knocking a heart surgeon, your post surprises me because in my experience, it is incorrect if you are referring to it being an added ingredient.


Just looked it up...it is naturally occurring. Kind if like sugar and fruit. I don't add sugar to my food, but a piece of fruit isn't the same even if it is sugar.

We also have a ranch dressing made without msg.

If you're sensitive to glutemates, you're sensitive, same as sugar. The 'added' MSG is basically the naturally occuring kind and many things with it added in have less than is in, say, parmesan cheese.

As for it not being in there, you sure? Lots of things say 'no MSG' but they have it in there. It's a marketing ploy and because it's not an additive, they can do it.

There's no hydrolized yeast anything on the list of ingredients? No yeast extract? No soy anything? No "natural flavourings"? Because those, and many other things, are MSG. It's not listed as an additive, it's a food, and goes by many, many names, including the ubiquitous "natural flavourings". May not be in your ranch dressing, but it's in a metric ton of stuff.

 

[Disney845]

I do think there is something to be worried about. Have you noticed some apple juices are made from apples grown in China? There have been numerous reports of food poisonings in China. I now look to be sure any juice I buy is from products grown in the US. I think the FDA should do a more thorough investigation on this arsenic issue, including the point of origin of the apples.

This is the real story Dr. Oz should have done. An in depth study into the clandestine manner through which the Chinese plan to fully eradicate the Western World through tainted Apple Juice, one sippy cup at a time! If only Napoleon had spent more resources establishing orchards instead of failed military campaigns we might be reading very different history books today, that is if any of us had survived the mass extermination by Apple Juice.

Seriously though, I put no stock in anything Dr. Oz says. I find him creepy. I am not saying I put blind faith in the FDA (they have an agenda like any other government body), however I think that if people had been dying over the years due to apple juice poisoning we would have heard of it before now. Apple Juice is not some new rx drug out on the market that further studies showed originally unknown side affects.

My concern would be how this mass hysteria Dr. Oz is trying to invoke will affect smaller growers and commercial producers of apples and apple juice, and other apple by products, specifically those here in the US. I don't think it matters one bit that Dr. Oz said he would still let his children drink the juice. The message he was promoting will be misconstrued by the masses and just like the PP who said while working in retail someone refitted their whole kitchen wares because of Dr. Oz, the apple production and consumption in this country will no doubt suffer as people are afraid. Exactly what our economy needs.

 

[tvguy]

Eh, I avoid apple juice because it is basically apple flavored sugar water, not because of the arsenic.

I put about as much faith in Dr. Oz as I do in the FDA which isn't much. One is concerned with ratings while the other is concerned with keeping lobbyists and campaign contributors happy. Anyone who thinks either is really looking after your health is fooling themselves.

You bring up a couple of interesting points. I've interviewed more than one "nutrition expert", and all seem to say we shouldn't be drinking the juice of any fruit or vegetable, we should be eating the fruit and vegetable and drinking water.

And as far as the FDA, etc, it is interesting to look at how various government health agencies have such different opinions. Take cyclamates, the artifical sweetener that was banned in the U.S. in 1969 as a cancer causing chemcial. To this day Canadian health officials still consider it the safest non-sugar sweetener, safer than Nutrasweet, Splenda, etc.

Not sure we'll ever no for sure.

 

[DSNY4ever]

I am not a Dr. Oz fan, but our FDA is a joke. The stuff that they allow to pass as edible is crazy.

It is very frustrating as a consumer since I only have so much time to research everything myself and it is sad that I cannot put 100% trust in them. I mean hello, most ground beef in the US is "cleaned" with ammonia, and then put on shelves for us to eat!?!? Ridiculous.

 

[FireDancer]

You bring up a couple of interesting points. I've interviewed more than one "nutrition expert", and all seem to say we shouldn't be drinking the juice of any fruit or vegetable, we should be eating the fruit and vegetable and drinking water.

And as far as the FDA, etc, it is interesting to look at how various government health agencies have such different opinions. Take cyclamates, the artifical sweetener that was banned in the U.S. in 1969 as a cancer causing chemcial. To this day Canadian health officials still consider it the safest non-sugar sweetener, safer than Nutrasweet, Splenda, etc.

Not sure we'll ever no for sure.

Very true which is why I do everything I can to avoid them all. I'm sure some gets through but I read labels and any artificial sweetener is one of the few things that will get a product put back every time.

 

[joyjoy]

He is NOT just a "TV DOCTOR"

Oz has been a professor at the department of Surgery at Columbia University since 2001. He directs the Cardiovascular Institute and Complementary Medicine Program at New York-Presbyterian Hospital. His research interests include heart replacement surgery, minimally invasive cardiac surgery, and health care policy. With his collaborators, he has authored over 400 research papers, book chapters and medical books and has received several patents. He performs around 250 heart operations annually.
Oz is the founder and chairman of HealthCorps, a non-profit organization that pays a small stipend to recent college graduates to spend two years in high schools mentoring students about health, nutrition, and fitness.

He won the Gross Surgical Research Scholarship. He was listed in “Doctors of the Year” by Hippocrates magazine and in “Healers of the Millennium” by Healthy Living magazine. Oz is annually listed in the Castle Connolly Guide of the top United States doctors, as well as other ranking groups.


Sounds like a QUACK to me

Now this is me, joyjoy. I'm copying and pasting from Wikipedia:

Oz has been a professor at the department of Surgery at Columbia University since 2001 [8]. He directs the Cardiovascular Institute and Complementary Medicine Program at New York-Presbyterian Hospital.[9] His research interests include heart replacement surgery, minimally invasive cardiac surgery, and health care policy. With his collaborators, he has authored over 400 research papers, book chapters and medical books and has received several patents. He performs around 250 heart operations annually.[10]

Oz is the founder and chairman of HealthCorps, a non-profit organization that pays a small stipend to recent college graduates to spend two years in high schools mentoring students about health, nutrition, and fitness.

He won the Gross Surgical Research Scholarship.[22] He was listed in “Doctors of the Year” by Hippocrates magazine and in “Healers of the Millennium” by Healthy Living magazine.[23] Oz is annually listed in the Castle Connolly Guide of the top United States doctors,[24] as well as other ranking groups.[citation needed]

I hate it when sources are not given; it gives the appearance that the words in your post were based on actual research that you did, when in fact you copied the whole thing from Wikipedia. As I was reading the post, it sounded verrrrrry wiki-ey, so I took a peek and sure enough.... Btw, you do know that it's just regular people that update Wikipedia, right?

Anyway, I think Dr. Oz is a tv star that used to be a practicing dr., and he is obligated to report on whatever the producers tell him to report on, and make it sensational enough to horrify/fascinate/bring in the viewers.

 

[Ceila]

OK.....so I guess we shall have to AGREE to DISAGREE...... BUT Dr.OZ isn't the only person I put my "trust" in. I have heard these things before and seen for myself results that would question your opinion.

So why don't you post those sources? Or are they just more plagiarized passages from Wikipedia?

Actually true story..... my OB DID catch skin cancer stage 0 on my buttock area....sorry if TMI....but she caught it AFTER I had my full body exam with my dermatologist the month before. My dermatologist missed it.

Stage 0, huh? Maybe it wasn't even there a month earlier.

 

[TandT]

Now this is me, joyjoy. I'm copying and pasting from Wikipedia:

Oz has been a professor at the department of Surgery at Columbia University since 2001 [8]. He directs the Cardiovascular Institute and Complementary Medicine Program at New York-Presbyterian Hospital.[9] His research interests include heart replacement surgery, minimally invasive cardiac surgery, and health care policy. With his collaborators, he has authored over 400 research papers, book chapters and medical books and has received several patents. He performs around 250 heart operations annually.[10]

Oz is the founder and chairman of HealthCorps, a non-profit organization that pays a small stipend to recent college graduates to spend two years in high schools mentoring students about health, nutrition, and fitness.

He won the Gross Surgical Research Scholarship.[22] He was listed in “Doctors of the Year” by Hippocrates magazine and in “Healers of the Millennium” by Healthy Living magazine.[23] Oz is annually listed in the Castle Connolly Guide of the top United States doctors,[24] as well as other ranking groups.[citation needed]

I hate it when sources are not given; it gives the appearance that the words in your post were based on actual research that you did, when in fact you copied the whole thing from Wikipedia. As I was reading the post, it sounded verrrrrry wiki-ey, so I took a peek and sure enough.... Btw, you do know that it's just regular people that update Wikipedia, right?

Anyway, I think Dr. Oz is a tv star that used to be a practicing dr., and he is obligated to report on whatever the producers tell him to report on, and make it sensational enough to horrify/fascinate/bring in the viewers.

I NEVER said those were MY words....JUST the facts since you are being SNARKY about it. Of course I looked it up and I DID do the research...that's why I copied and pasted it!!!! If it was MY OWN WORDS...it would NOT be the facts now WOULD IT?????? AND I already follow Dr. OZ and his career ...so I am not totally oblivious to his bio.

BUT thanks for LOOKING IT UP and RE-POSTING it....shows how much time you have on your hands.

I wish people would just stick to the topic and share their opinion without bashing eachother and calling people out on petty things. GROW UP!!!!!!!

 

[cornflake]

I NEVER said those were MY words....JUST the facts since you are being SNARKY about it. Of course I looked it up and I DID do the research...that's why I copied and pasted it!!!! If it was MY OWN WORDS...it would NOT be the facts now WOULD IT?????? AND I already follow Dr. OZ and his career ...so I am not totally oblivious to his bio.

BUT thanks for LOOKING IT UP and RE-POSTING it....shows how much time you have on your hands.

I wish people would just stick to the topic and share their opinion without bashing eachother and calling people out on petty things. GROW UP!!!!!!!

Yes, they'd still be the facts if they were facts and you said them in your own words.

I don't think Wikipedia is 'research' exactly. Also, if you quote something someone else wrote... which I think was the poster's point.

Also that, regardless - like Pinsky when he plays psychologist, Oz may be fine in his field, but this ain't his field.

 

[TandT]

So why don't you post those sources? Or are they just more plagiarized passages from Wikipedia?



Stage 0, huh? Maybe it wasn't even there a month earlier.

Now your questioning my diagnosis?? What kind of person ARE YOU???? TROLL!!! LOOK IT UP ON WIKI!!! There is a pre-cancerious skin condition that is considered a STAGE 0....it's the stage RIGHT BEFORE CANCER. HOW PATHETIC of you to question that. AND honestly I thought wikipedia was a good source for information. IS it a RULE that I post my sources. I don't owe you JACK. I'm sorry your upset you don't agree with what I believe in....but you don't have to attack me and call me a liar ....which is basically what you did.

 

[Octoberbride03]

Now this is me, joyjoy. I'm copying and pasting from Wikipedia:

Oz has been a professor at the department of Surgery at Columbia University since 2001 [8]. He directs the Cardiovascular Institute and Complementary Medicine Program at New York-Presbyterian Hospital.[9] His research interests include heart replacement surgery, minimally invasive cardiac surgery, and health care policy. With his collaborators, he has authored over 400 research papers, book chapters and medical books and has received several patents. He performs around 250 heart operations annually.[10]

Oz is the founder and chairman of HealthCorps, a non-profit organization that pays a small stipend to recent college graduates to spend two years in high schools mentoring students about health, nutrition, and fitness.

He won the Gross Surgical Research Scholarship.[22] He was listed in “Doctors of the Year” by Hippocrates magazine and in “Healers of the Millennium” by Healthy Living magazine.[23] Oz is annually listed in the Castle Connolly Guide of the top United States doctors,[24] as well as other ranking groups.[citation needed]

I hate it when sources are not given; it gives the appearance that the words in your post were based on actual research that you did, when in fact you copied the whole thing from Wikipedia. As I was reading the post, it sounded verrrrrry wiki-ey, so I took a peek and sure enough.... Btw, you do know that it's just regular people that update Wikipedia, right?

Anyway, I think Dr. Oz is a tv star that used to be a practicing dr., and he is obligated to report on whatever the producers tell him to report on, and make it sensational enough to horrify/fascinate/bring in the viewers.

Somebody turns him on my breakroom often enough and I heard him claim the other day(may be it was last week, but fairly recent) that he still has his heart practice and performs surgery. So OK maybe that's true. But if it is where does he find the time to do a daily tv show (and yes, I know that many shows tape more than 1 episode per day) that's a lot of work on top of a thriving heart practice.


And as far as the FDA goes, I'm not in their list of fans either, I just think the whole apple juice/arsenic thing is silly.

 

[cornflake]

I don't know if there's a specific site rule against plagiarizing, it's kind of a general life rule.

 

[TandT]

HAVE FUN WITH YOUR APPLE JUICE FILLED SIPPY CUPS!!!

I am DONE with this thread. WAY too many people on here like to think that they are the smartest and their opinions are the BEST without respecting other posters. Keep hiding behind your computers and wasting time on here.....GOOD FOR YOU

I AM OUTTA HERE!!!!

CIAO!!!!!!!!

 

[TandT]

I don't know if there's a specific site rule against plagiarizing, it's kind of a general life rule.

get over yourself

 

[joyjoy]

I don't know if there's a specific site rule against plagiarizing, it's kind of a general life rule.

Exactly.

 

[Geoff_M]

Setting aside the whole issue of how "safe" levels of exposure to certain things are set by the EPA, et al., one thing that's pretty certain is that Dr. Oz, once thought of as a pretty good "TV" Doctor, is now largely a quack. The science-based medicine community has watched the transformation with horror, now part of the "Oprah-fication of Medicine": Dr. Oz's journey to the Dark Side is now complete: Faith healing quackery glorified

 

[LBIJim]

Did anybody watch the Dr. Oz show about arsenic a couple days ago. I'm watching it on my DVR right now and this is unreal. My kids love Juicy Juice and I have bought their apple juice many times, my family thinks its the best flavor.

To learn that it can have more arsenic than is safe for drinking water is scary. An also for Gerber to have more than 3x what is considered safe...it's Gerber. I wonder if I should stop buying their baby food.

I'm so tired of companies putting profits before people.

I'm tired of quack TV doctors who think they know more than the FDA or USDA.

Jim

 

[PeterPan09]

It's all about the money-follow the money and you'll find the truth.