Apartment advice... weird situation...

Shreggor

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Weird request for the Dis folks… a friend suggested I post this here to get some general opinions…

My fiance & I recently signed a 1 year lease for our first apartment together.

We were the landlords "first choice", because, in his words, we are stable, both employed, and quiet people. The landlord's dad is the other tennant next door (it's a duplex).

We chose this unit because it was large and we were told the father was the only other tennant and he is a 66 year old retiree. Sounded like quiet heaven to us. We are both very sensitive to noise. So a quiet place was a must. We told the landlord this a few times and were promised that it was just the dad next door and very quiet.

We've been slowly going over to the place this week every night after work. Our lease began the 1st but it was unoccupied so they gave us the keys early. We have encountered several problems right away.

First, some work has not been done yet. There were wiring problems all over the house with the lights which have since been fixed. There are still wiring problems in the kitchen and the dishwasher and garbage disposal doesn't work. The landlord says these will be fixed when we move all our stuff in this weekend. We trust that this will be done and it's the least of our concerns.

Second, and a major problem is that the there are 3-4 hour long power outages every single night. This is not the landlords fault but the father told us that this has been happening all year several times a week. Usually during dinner time. So far, it's gone out every night since we got the keys. Why were we not told about this? We've done our research over the last few days and found that yes, it really is a problem on this particular street.

Third and most problematic, we have since found out that the father does not live alone. His girlfriend (who is much younger than him) stays over there every night and we can hear every word she shouts through the walls. Even over our radio (which is thankfully battery operated since we've had very little electricity) and even with earplugs in. It's crazy. We had specifically asked if the father lived alone and were told yes. We stressed that we are very quiet people and that it was vital for us to be in a quiet place. No mention was ever made that this shrieking woman lives there also. She has been there every single night this week as well. While we don't hear a peep from the man, we hear every single word this woman says, and I mean everything.

On Sept 1, my fiance called the landlord and advised him of these problems and the landlord told us there is nothing he can do about hid dad's girlfriend but agreed that she is very loud and obnoxious and tells us that we could get out of the lease if we wanted to go get all our stuff that following night and move it out. He understands our concerns.

We said we would talk to the father first and see if he would be willing to ask his girlfriend to be quieter. Because honestly, other than her noise level, the place is everything we wanted and we thought maybe she just wasn't used to having people next door.

My fiance has very good relationship thus far with the father, and has helped him out with things while we've been there in the dark since we got there. So he called and they chatted for a while. He promised us that the woman would be quieter and he said he already talked to her and that she just wasn't used to having people next door etc. He basically promised us she will not be heard.

So we decided to stick with the lease. So we called the landlord back and said we think everything will be okay, we talked about it like civil people and everything should be ok. We turned down the refund and said we felt it was not going to be a problem.

Fiance calls the dad today to ask some random thing about the power outage issue. Well… lo and behold the dad goes off and says that the woman needs to shout in order for him to hear her talk and that this is necessary so she will shout often when she speaks.

We are now at a loss. We really don't want to get off on a bad foot but we also know ourselves well enough to know that living next door to people who constantly shreik and scream is not going to be okay for us.

We are debating calling the landlord and telling him that his father seems to have changed his mind about asking the woman to be quieter and that we now need to back out.

We have all our stuff packed and have to be out of our current (separate) residences by tomorrow. We've also spend considerable money buying furniture and draperies etc. for the place that we assumed when we signed the lease would be a long term place for us.

My current landlord actually told me to ask the landlord to consider giving us a shorter lease so we can give it a shot and find out for ourselves just how bad the noise issue is. He said, as a landlord, he'd do anything to get tennants like us in for a long time so he thinks the landlord might be willing to work with us. Especially since the landlord doesn't like the non-tennant who is causing all the problems to start with. Current landlord is sorry to see me go (and my fiance, too, who stays over and helps out around the place a lot) and says that we are very desirable tennants. He said he'd work with us, and can't imagine any landlord in their right mind not wanting to work with a stable, financially secure couple.

I just don't know. I'd certainly prefer to do the 6 month thing but I'm concerned that even asking for that option will just cause more problems than it's worth if we wind up being stuck there for a full year. I suspect he'll tell us it's either the full year or nothing, but if we are stuck there for a full year and the noise is a problem, we will likely not even be able to stay in the house and have to sleep elsewhere. If it's nothing then as of tomorrow we will basically be homeless until we find a suitable place.

Thoughts from the Dis?
 
I would ask the landlord if you can get out and let them know that the father has changed his tune.

If they say no, then ask for a six-month lease.

If they say no, then try and live there for the 12-months and then get the heck out of there. A year isn't so bad in one apartment, but I would find that really taxing with the noise level and might have to move out early and work out a deal for breaking the lease.
 
can you still get out of the lease?
I wouldn't be able to function with the power fluctuating like that. Bizarre!
Plus I would worry there is a fire hazard from faulty wiring.
 
That *is* a toughie. Here's what I'd do:

- Remind the landlord that you picked this place because you were assured the only neighbor was quiet.

- Remind the landlord that you declined your opportunity to get out of the lease because the neighbor assured you his girlfriend would be quiet.

- Explain that now that it's too late to back out, the neighbor has backed out of this agreement and insists that his girlfriend will be as loud as she wants.

- Request a 6-month lease based on this change in circumstances.

- Research tenant laws in your state and find out if the frequent power outages give you the right to terminate your lease; under some circumstances, they might.

- Start replying to the girlfriend. Through the wall. ;) Be polite of course. "No, I don't want any coffee, thanks. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were talking to me."

- Consider a white noise machine.

- Keep your eyes open for a better place. Keep in mind that you are never going to have silent neighbors, and even if you did find them, they could move out a month later and be replaced by a rugby team.
 

I'd be looking for another place. First off, the power issue would be a major thing for me. How are you supposed to do anything without the power in the evening when you probably need it most?

Secondly, it sounds like the father is wishy washy anyway - one minute agreeing to you and then changing his mind the next. You don't want to be the "man in the middle" so to speak between your landlord and his father, especially with the shrieking g/f. You just know that the father made it sound like you were complaining about her and she is going to have it in for you - she probably badgered him so he finally told you that he needs her to talk loud just to get her off his back. Then if you complain to the landlord I bet it will come back to his dad because he has to say something to him and it'll seem like you are getting into his business. I know I'm just speculating but it just sounds like trouble right off the bat to me. Sorry.
 
Honestly, just the power thing for me would be a dealbreaker. Imagine trying to make dinner,relax with your favorite show, blow dry your hair and all of a sudden...oops no power!! That, coupled with the loud woman would have me searching for another place. Dad probably agreed to ask her to tone it down and then when he mentioned it to girlfriend, she probably freaked out hence the second phone call. I wish you luck..keep us posted!
 
I want to strangle you because didn't run when he offered!;) I would continue to badger him until you are out of the lease.
 
Thanks all. I am going to discuss it with my fiance tonight and we are going to call the landlord and see if we can still get out of the lease. FI was over there after work and could hear that woman for the entire time he was there. We'd rather rough it out living with family for a while if we need to, while we look for another place.
 
I want to strangle you because didn't run when he offered!;) I would continue to badger him until you are out of the lease.

Just a note on this, affordable, clean, large apartments that are not overrun with college students are really hard to come by in this area. I mean really hard. This is an area where the average 2 br apartment runs about $1500+ utilities a month. Mortgages on a small house would be in the 2400+ range which we can't do right now. O

n the surface this unit was perfect and the layout of it was really clean and I do think the wiring issues will be fixed. The power outages are a streetwide issue and we were willing to just keep bugging the electric company. We didn't want to give it up if there was anything at all that could be worked out.

But we draw the line and screeching people.
 
That *is* a toughie. Here's what I'd do:

- Remind the landlord that you picked this place because you were assured the only neighbor was quiet.

- Remind the landlord that you declined your opportunity to get out of the lease because the neighbor assured you his girlfriend would be quiet.

- Explain that now that it's too late to back out, the neighbor has backed out of this agreement and insists that his girlfriend will be as loud as she wants.

- Request a 6-month lease based on this change in circumstances.

- Research tenant laws in your state and find out if the frequent power outages give you the right to terminate your lease; under some circumstances, they might.

- Start replying to the girlfriend. Through the wall. ;) Be polite of course. "No, I don't want any coffee, thanks. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were talking to me."

- Consider a white noise machine.

- Keep your eyes open for a better place. Keep in mind that you are never going to have silent neighbors, and even if you did find them, they could move out a month later and be replaced by a rugby team.

:thumbsup2

If you can get out of the lease now, my suggestion is for you to buy or rent a house.
 
Honestly, just the power thing for me would be a dealbreaker. Imagine trying to make dinner,relax with your favorite show, blow dry your hair and all of a sudden...oops no power!! That, coupled with the loud woman would have me searching for another place. Dad probably agreed to ask her to tone it down and then when he mentioned it to girlfriend, she probably freaked out hence the second phone call. I wish you luck..keep us posted!

I agree. The loud woman would annoy me, but you have to deal with neighbors when you live in an apartment. It's just the way it is. I couldn't handle the power outages.
 
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If you can get out of the lease now, my suggestion is for you to buy or rent a house.

We are in MA, and the average mortgage here for a small house is upwards of half our monthly income. We can't possibly do it, or we would.
 
As long as you're renting you're going to run into noisy neighbors. If quiet is really an issue for you, I would suggest you buy a place, preferably on a large lot.

We own our own home and live in the city on .25 acre lots. Last year we had the neighbor from you know where. Loud music, parties, kids, etc. all day/night. Everyone in the neighborhood hated it. Thankfully they moved.

By comparison our lake house sits on 8 acres. We never hear our neighbors:thumbsup2
 
I'm noise-sensitive, too, so I know exactly what you are talking about. I would get out of that lease. I know the place is what you want, but 30 days in, you'll be regretting it. I live in a townhouse and USED to have the quietest neighbors. Not anymore. New renters moved in next door 3 months ago and they are driving me INSANE. I can't wait until their lease is up.
 
As long as you're renting you're going to run into noisy neighbors. If quiet is really an issue for you, I would suggest you buy a place, preferably on a large lot.

We own our own home and live in the city on .25 acre lots. Last year we had the neighbor from you know where. Loud music, parties, kids, etc. all day/night. Everyone in the neighborhood hated it. Thankfully they moved.

By comparison our lake house sits on 8 acres. We never hear our neighbors:thumbsup2

Well, I will never be able to afford that on my salary in the area I live in, so that's a moot point for me. Boston/MA in general is not like other parts of the country. My fiance and I make a combined 80K a year and we could never, I mean NEVER, own a house around here off that. We'd be broke.

However, since most people in this area can not afford homes, I do not think it is unreasonable to expect a quiet place to live. I lived in my last apartment for 7 years and never had a problem except for about 6 months when a horrible family lived downstairs. They were evicted pretty quickly. I never had any in the place I lived before that. I don't really buy the "you'll always have noisy neighbors" line.

Anyway... Since I had two months paid for and the landlord is no longer returning calls, I moved in this weekend and I will be leaving in 2 months. I have left several messages for the landlord telling him this and telling him why. I currently do not have a working fridge or oven and the landlord does not seem to care. :sad2: The electric worked for about 2/3 of the weekend. Even when the electric works, the fridge doesn't so I've been living off non-perishables and whatever I can fit into a small cooler. I got some recording of the woman shrieking through the walls also, just in case it's ever needed to show that the place is not even remotely quiet, as it was advertised to be.

I'm not going to bother unpacking. Just using the place to store my stuff until we move again. It's gonna be a loooong 2 months. Wish us luck in finding another place quick!
 
I'm noise-sensitive, too, so I know exactly what you are talking about. I would get out of that lease. I know the place is what you want, but 30 days in, you'll be regretting it. I live in a townhouse and USED to have the quietest neighbors. Not anymore. New renters moved in next door 3 months ago and they are driving me INSANE. I can't wait until their lease is up.

This is one of the reasons I would never buy a condo or townhouse. :eek: Then you're stuck there if the neighbors are awful. It's weird, single family homes around here are insane expensive but condos can be found relatively cheap and everyone I know keeps telling me to buy one... and I keep saying "but then I live downstairs from clog dancer death metal guitarists, I am stuck there!"

I had high hopes for this place because it's a duplex with very few shared walls, but when the people next door like to screech at each other all day and night long, a few walls is all it takes...
 
One other thing I would be concerned about is the power. I'm glad to hear you won't be staying. The place sounds dangerous. Could be old, faulty wiring.
 
A few things I would do:

1. Don't just call and leave messages - send a certified letter outlining everything you have told us; and that's why you are leaving in two months.
2. Document everytime you call and complain - when/if he calls back, what was said, everything.
3. Get evidence re electricity issue - and video tape that and stove, fridge not working.

Bc he may sue you and you don't want just the contract to be the only piece of evidence. Good luck!
 


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