Anyone know the address for the Contemporary's North Wing?

[Mama2Matthew]

Is it certain that the North Wing of the Contemporary is being renovated and not demolished? I went on the comptroller’s site today ( to see if there was anything new for AKV) and found this record for “Abatement and General Demolition Work” for 4620 N. World Drive. Does anyone know what the address for the North Wing would be? Here are the records I found for the renovations of the South Wing (4560 N. World Dr) and Tower. I didn’t see anything about demolition for those. I also noticed that the construction company for the “demolition work” is Hardin and the other renovations were done by Buena Vista Construction Co. The end date of the notice is December 28, 2007. The demolition record also includes Rich Owens as the contact. He is not on the records for the other renovations. On the permit for the AKL model rooms, he is listed and is apparently in Imagineering. The “demolition” record is under Walt Disney World Co, not DVD, though.

Does anyone know what 4620 N. World Drive is? With the announcement of 460 rooms at AKV, it seems implausible that they would have CRV in the works, too. Just wondering what this would be…

 

[crazy4wdw]

The address WDW lists for the Contemporary Resort is 4600 N. World Drive. I have a ressie for this November and this is the address which is listed on the back of the confirmation.

 

[Mama2Matthew]

The address WDW lists for the Contemporary Resort is 4600 N. World Drive. I have a ressie for this November and this is the address which is listed on the back of the confirmation.

That's the only address I have seen anywhere for the Contemporary, too. However, the permit for the South Garden Wing lists its address as 4560 N. World. The record for the tower has 4600 for the address. I was wondering if each building has its own address for the purposes of these notices?

 

[vonpluto]

Is it certain that the North Wing of the Contemporary is being renovated and not demolished? I went on the comptroller’s site today ( to see if there was anything new for AKV) and found this record for “Abatement and General Demolition Work” for 4620 N. World Drive. Does anyone know what the address for the North Wing would be? Here are the records I found for the renovations of the South Wing (4560 N. World Dr) and Tower. I didn’t see anything about demolition for those. I also noticed that the construction company for the “demolition work” is Hardin and the other renovations were done by Buena Vista Construction Co. The end date of the notice is December 28, 2007. The demolition record also includes Rich Owens as the contact. He is not on the records for the other renovations. On the permit for the AKL model rooms, he is listed and is apparently in Imagineering. The “demolition” record is under Walt Disney World Co, not DVD, though.

Does anyone know what 4620 N. World Drive is? With the announcement of 460 rooms at AKV, it seems implausible that they would have CRV in the works, too. Just wondering what this would be…

The "Abatement" part would tie in to the pics of the construction debris fence going up around the CR. Pics were posted here a week or so ago.
As for the "Demoltion", that could be anything from prepping the exterior of the North Wing, to the total demo of same.

 

[spiceycat]

hey I would love this to go to DVC too!!!

It might be just in case - the North wing is in alot worst shape than the South wing was - alot worst.

so if they need to take down a wall to fix it - then they are okay.

 

[DVC Grammy]

............and the plot thickens............

 

[BCV23]

............and the plot thickens............

LOL, I agree!

I wonder if DVC would sell both at the same time. They might appeal to different segments. I know we are far more likely to buy ar CR than at AKL just because we enjoy the various restaurants and activities available around the monorail loop including of course the MK itself. While the AKL is absolutely beautiful, a short stay there is plenty for us.

 

[Sammie]

I was told that renovations on the North Wing would begin at this time.

They truly can do rehab these rooms so they can continue to sell them and in 5 years or more add DVC without it being a big deal. Rehabs are needed about that often anyway.

 

[dizfanz]

Why would it be implausible? AKV is opening 2007 through 2009. I don't understand why everyone assumes CRV is dead. How long do you all think it will take to construct and build it? It cannot(in all likelihood) open in phases as others have if it is being built as a high rise. This is not SSR where you can open 1 building at a time. You have to build the whole darn thing and then open it. I say a project of that scale would take 2 years to construct, maybe more. If demo started in 2007, then it could take until 2009-10. I think there is a lot here that people need to consider for this to go up.

 

[jakenjess]

Why would it be implausible? AKV is opening 2007 through 2009. I don't understand why everyone assumes CRV is dead. How long do you all think it will take to construct and build it? It cannot(in all likelihood) open in phases as others have if it is being built as a high rise. This is not SSR where you can open 1 building at a time. You have to build the whole darn thing and then open it. I say a project of that scale would take 2 years to construct, maybe more. If demo started in 2007, then it could take until 2009-10. I think there is a lot here that people need to consider for this to go up.

I totally agree. I think the AKV was announced first because it will be ready to sell first. I still think the North Wing will be a go for DVC.

 

[vonpluto]

............and the plot thickens............

Hey, let's thicken it even more

Two new rumors I came across the other day:

1- The new building will be strictly an expansion of the CR, no DVC.

2- The new building will be part CR, part DVC.

And of course, this info was not sourced.

 

[Rence]

When we bought SSR in Dec 2003 our guide said that DVC was hoping to get to the point where they would be selling two different resorts at once. Of course, guides, bus drivers, security guards etc. tell us all kinds of stuff.

But it does make sense, different resorts have different appeals. Some folks may love the idea of AKV, while others love CRV.

 

[jade1]

I still think it will be DVC and they just started with AKV so the price point can step up there first, and then even further when CRV is announced. IMHO.

 

[Mama2Matthew]

Why would it be implausible? AKV is opening 2007 through 2009. I don't understand why everyone assumes CRV is dead. How long do you all think it will take to construct and build it? It cannot(in all likelihood) open in phases as others have if it is being built as a high rise. This is not SSR where you can open 1 building at a time. You have to build the whole darn thing and then open it. I say a project of that scale would take 2 years to construct, maybe more. If demo started in 2007, then it could take until 2009-10. I think there is a lot here that people need to consider for this to go up.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for the north wing to go DVC. You make a good point about not being able to open the building in phases, too. Also, I keep thinking about how the rumor was always "think big." In my head, I had thought that would mean a resort on the monorail, DLR, or maybe more than one resort at a time. I've been trying to decide if the proposed AKV fits the "think big" rumor or not. Maybe I'm just trying to "think REALLY big." LOL

 

[Sammie]

I think there could be several reasons why AKL was chosen now over the Contemporary. One the AKL has the available space. The Lodge has problems staying full, hence the many upgrades to Savannah from standard and always has. Nothing has solved that problem. There has been new interest in the Contemporary with the rehab of the rooms, that will last for a few years.

I would not be surprised if some of the land around the Contemporary is protected wetlands, making a major new project harder than the area to the left of the AKL. I know there is alot of wetland area around the WL which is one reason they never were able to build a larger main pool.

Also dues. If these new size rooms, with greater occupancy levels and more bathrooms are actually going to be a part of the VAK, then dues will be more to cover that.

Now dues for the Contemporary to cover the cost of monorail transportation and walking distance to Magic Kingdom, etc. were to be much greater than anything previously I don't see that as an easy sell.

However if the dues increase some with VAK to cover new amenties it will be easier to ease into the even higher dues for the Contemporary. And as Jade said they can ease the buyer into a higher point price too.

This is strickly my opinion, I just don't feel that the Contemporary is completely out of the picture just delayed.

 

[minnie61650]

Just a little interesting info I read on another forum.

A guest just returned from WDW and said that an eight foot fence had been placed around the North Wing and that there were water booms in the lake.

The water booms would suggest demolition to me or some rather extensive repair work on the structure of the North Wings.

I know the fence is standard during refurbishment's but the water booms in the lake have peeked my interest.

After reading about the water booms I did a little research and dug up (no pun intended) this old rumor from mouseplanet.com.
Maybe there is still some hope for a CR DVC even if it is on a smaller scale.

From a June 26 rumor:

http://mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=wd060626mg

............What we've heard is a variation of an even older rumor, that the North Garden Wing of the Contemporary Resort would become a DVC resort. Now, prior rumors had indicated that the South Garden Wing would be converted to DVC lodgings, while still others indicated that a new DVC resort would be built on the current site of the Contemporary's tennis center. The South Garden Wing has already been refurbished into upgraded hotel accommodations. The tennis center is not in danger due to Reedy Creek Improvement District zoning regulations, which preclude new construction that close to the water. In fact, the North Garden Wing location cannot host new construction due to those same rules.

However, refurbishment of the Contemporary Resort is officially scheduled for completion this summer, yet no work has been done to date on the North Garden Wing buildings. The new reports indicate that the North Garden Wing buildings will be gutted down to the steel superstructure. (They can't remove the steel, because then it would be "new construction" and would violate the zoning laws. The old structures would be grandfathered in as existing structures being "renovated.") They'd then add two floors to the top and rebuild the interiors as DVC lodgings.
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This rumor always made more sense to me than a 14 story modern tower.
I think the timeline would be correct because it will would most likely take a year to gut the existing structure. It might take about 2 more years to add two floors to the top and rebuild the interiors as DVC lodgings.
I do not see a CR DVC being built in stages so I think the timeline might be correct.

Time will tell.
I am still hoping.

 

[dizfanz]

Just a little interesting info I read on another forum.

A guest just returned from WDW and said that an eight foot fence had been placed around the North Wing and that there were water booms in the lake.

The water booms would suggest demolition to me or some rather extensive repair work on the structure of the North Wings.

I know the fence is standard during refurbishment's but the water booms in the lake have peeked my interest.

After reading about the water booms I did a little research and dug up (no pun intended) this old rumor from mouseplanet.com.
Maybe there is still some hope for a CR DVC even if it is on a smaller scale.

From a June 26 rumor:

http://mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=wd060626mg

............What we've heard is a variation of an even older rumor, that the North Garden Wing of the Contemporary Resort would become a DVC resort. Now, prior rumors had indicated that the South Garden Wing would be converted to DVC lodgings, while still others indicated that a new DVC resort would be built on the current site of the Contemporary's tennis center. The South Garden Wing has already been refurbished into upgraded hotel accommodations. The tennis center is not in danger due to Reedy Creek Improvement District zoning regulations, which preclude new construction that close to the water. In fact, the North Garden Wing location cannot host new construction due to those same rules.

However, refurbishment of the Contemporary Resort is officially scheduled for completion this summer, yet no work has been done to date on the North Garden Wing buildings. The new reports indicate that the North Garden Wing buildings will be gutted down to the steel superstructure. (They can't remove the steel, because then it would be "new construction" and would violate the zoning laws. The old structures would be grandfathered in as existing structures being "renovated.") They'd then add two floors to the top and rebuild the interiors as DVC lodgings.
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This rumor always made more sense to me than a 14 story modern tower.
I think the timeline would be correct because it will would most likely take a year to gut the existing structure. It might take about 2 more years to add two floors to the top and rebuild the interiors as DVC lodgings.
I do not see a CR DVC being built in stages so I think the timeline might be correct.

Time will tell.
I am still hoping.

Now that seems to make some sense to me. There is no doubt that if that is what is going on an announcement would need to be made when demo starts. The timeline fits perfectly with construction at AKV.

 

[BCV23]

Now that seems to make some sense to me. There is no doubt that if that is what is going on an announcement would need to be made when demo starts. The timeline fits perfectly with construction at AKV.

I don't know that an announcement has to be made any time before DVC wants to do so. They seem to keep things pretty close to the vest.

 

[Mama2Matthew]

Just a little interesting info I read on another forum.

A guest just returned from WDW and said that an eight foot fence had been placed around the North Wing and that there were water booms in the lake.

The water booms would suggest demolition to me or some rather extensive repair work on the structure of the North Wings.

I know the fence is standard during refurbishment's but the water booms in the lake have peeked my interest.

After reading about the water booms I did a little research and dug up (no pun intended) this old rumor from mouseplanet.com.
Maybe there is still some hope for a CR DVC even if it is on a smaller scale.

From a June 26 rumor:

http://mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=wd060626mg

............What we've heard is a variation of an even older rumor, that the North Garden Wing of the Contemporary Resort would become a DVC resort. Now, prior rumors had indicated that the South Garden Wing would be converted to DVC lodgings, while still others indicated that a new DVC resort would be built on the current site of the Contemporary's tennis center. The South Garden Wing has already been refurbished into upgraded hotel accommodations. The tennis center is not in danger due to Reedy Creek Improvement District zoning regulations, which preclude new construction that close to the water. In fact, the North Garden Wing location cannot host new construction due to those same rules.

However, refurbishment of the Contemporary Resort is officially scheduled for completion this summer, yet no work has been done to date on the North Garden Wing buildings. The new reports indicate that the North Garden Wing buildings will be gutted down to the steel superstructure. (They can't remove the steel, because then it would be "new construction" and would violate the zoning laws. The old structures would be grandfathered in as existing structures being "renovated.") They'd then add two floors to the top and rebuild the interiors as DVC lodgings.
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This rumor always made more sense to me than a 14 story modern tower.
I think the timeline would be correct because it will would most likely take a year to gut the existing structure. It might take about 2 more years to add two floors to the top and rebuild the interiors as DVC lodgings.
I do not see a CR DVC being built in stages so I think the timeline might be correct.

Time will tell.
I am still hoping.

The part about grandfathering in new construction is interesting. However, I'm not sure I can revert to the rumor about only adding two floors to the top. That is so drastically different than the concept art we've all seen. Adding two floors would make the resort relatively small, wouldn't it?

I still think (well hope, anyway) they are going to do more than just rehab the same way they did the south wing. If that were the case, I think there would already be records on file for the renovation. Only time will tell, I guess.

 

[MarieA]

I would prefer DVC at the CR over the AKL. There are so many dining options within reach at the CR, you can walk to Magic Kingdom and take the monorail to the Grand Floridian, Polynesian or EPCOT. AKL is pretty isolated and on the other side of Disney property. Dining options are limited unless you travel by bus or you have a car.