Anyone else getting a little annoyed?

[theww228]

Is SSR right-sized based upon current demand trends? No...at least not for many times of the year.

I guess we do agree.

 

[hakepb]

Disney isn't going to build any additional amenities at SSR. (Not sure what they would build anyway.) And they can't lower the point charts.

They would not even have to build, just use the DVC sales building(s) to provide more to staying guests, like a larger food court, character dining... Although considering DVC built Kidani with no breakfast options (almost makes the loooong AP lines desireable), I'm not sure if DVC is willing to do anything about that...

 

[Tara]

They would not even have to build, just use the DVC sales building(s) to provide more to staying guests, like a larger food court, character dining... Although considering DVC built Kidani with no breakfast options (almost makes the loooong AP lines desireable), I'm not sure if DVC is willing to do anything about that...

AFAIK, DVC builds food services but then leases them back to Disney to operate. So not only does DVC have to see the need to build the facilities (and increase dues to cover them), Disney itself has to see financial incentive to lease the facilities. It might be Disney that doesn't want to increase the food service, not DVC/DVD.

 

[going/again]

disney decision-makers aren't going to lose any sleep over the fact that members calling 2 months out cannot regularly book BCV or BWV.

can someone send me a link to the statistics page that shows when members cant book at bcv/bwv at 2 months its because ssr owners have factually booked these resorts?

 

[tjkraz]

I guess we do agree.

On that point but apparently not on many others, including the volume of so-called "facts" that you contributed to the discussion. (As well as your irrelevant takes on butcher shop purchases, car buying tastes, dance partners, dress colors, ice cream flavors and any others I may be omitting.)

They would not even have to build, just use the DVC sales building(s) to provide more to staying guests, like a larger food court, character dining... Although considering DVC built Kidani with no breakfast options (almost makes the loooong AP lines desireable), I'm not sure if DVC is willing to do anything about that...

The problem is there's really no need of any other dining facilities. At its absolute worst, you might have to wait in line 15-20 minutes at Artist's Palette. And even that is for only a very small period of time during peak dining hours.

Disney isn't about to spend hundreds-of-thousands of dollars to build and operate more dining locations just to thin out the crowds a bit.

The Turf Club is an adequate facility for a character meal but Disney doesn't appear interested in going that direction. Olivia's at OKW used to host a character meal but Disney eliminated that about 6-7 years ago.

Disney is pretty good about creating new opportunities to take guests' money. In this particular case, given that Disney isn't adding character meals to more DVCs or opening additional restaurants, it suggests that they don't see an opportunity to make money.

can someone send me a link to the statistics page that shows when members cant book at bcv/bwv at 2 months its because ssr owners have factually booked these resorts?

Nope. Doesn't exist.

 

[theww228]

On that point but apparently not on many others, including the volume of so-called "facts" that you contributed to the discussion. (As well as your irrelevant takes on butcher shop purchases, car buying tastes, dance partners, dress colors, ice cream flavors and any others I may be omitting.)

Originally Posted by tjkraz
Disney's biggest mistake was building BCV and VWL as small as they did

Originally Posted by tjkraz
Is SSR right-sized based upon current demand trends? No...at least not for many times of the year.

I have tried to give you many examples, but now I see the problem.

My point: SSR is too big, and not enough people want to stay there (not that there is anything wrong with that)

Your point: SSR doesn't fill up because it is so much bigger than the other resorts


My point: SSR is too big

Your point: The other resorts are too small

6 of one and half dozen of the other.... our mutual frustration is arguing the same point from different angles

 

[Anal Annie]

Yes, but be aware that prior to DVC messing up the system with SSR, there were lots of rooms available at the walking-distance resorts within the 7-month windown, and no matter which resort you got, you got a winner. If you got "stuck" with OKW, well at least you got great big units for really cheap prices to make up for the non-theme-park location.

DVC could add 5,000 Motel 6 units to the system and tell them they couldn't book at the other resorts until the 7-month window. Their addition would still make the memberships of those who already own less enjoyable. Yes, the current owners COULD still book prior to the 7-month window, but the 5,000 Motel 6 owners would still cause them to lose something, since any current DVC owner wishing to book within the 7-month window would almost certainly be forced to stay at the Motel 6. Of course, that's exactly what has happened with SSR. No, SSR isn't as low as a Motel 6, but it isn't up to the standards of the other resorts, either (or it doesn't offer the low rates and giant rooms of OKW to compensate).

Just BTW...I have NO DESIRE to HAVE to be within walking distance of anything except the pool!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is this preoccupation everyone has with the walking? Personally, we do enough walking within the parks in a days time to do me for a month. I am just as happy to let a bus take me to the parks - esp. by the 3rd or 4th day.

And just IMO, OKW is the equivalent of a Motel 6 not SSR. At least our unit at SSR was clean, the bed was not like a concrete slab and the unit was not in dis-repair. I shouldn't say that we won't EVER stay at OKW again, but it is definitely not our resort of choice. In fact, I'd say if that if it was the only resort available on points we would consider paying cash to stay somewhere else and save the points. So. There. Not everyone loves OKW either. SOME of us prefer SSR.

Oh, and where is the OP of this thread these days? They have long since ditched the conversation...
OK, back to that apples & oranges and something to flip everyone's switch conversation......

 

[Chuck S]

. Not everyone loves OKW either.

Well, that was just mean. I still love my OKW.

 

[Anal Annie]

Well, that was just mean. I still love my OKW.

I'm sorry, Chuck! But I am tired of all of this ragging on SSR.... Some people need to get over it and realize that we all have different tastes and different cleanliness standards and not all of us want to freaking walk 15 min. to everywhere we go. I promise we'll leave you a room at OKW!!

 

[bobbiwoz]

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And just IMO, OKW is the equivalent of a Motel 6 ... ...

Wow...and have you stayed in a 1 bedroom or higher? Wow...I'm just flabergasted!

 

[Goofy's apprentice]

But I am tired of all of this ragging on SSR.... Some people need to get over it and realize that we all have different tastes and different cleanliness standards and not all of us want to freaking walk 15 min. to everywhere we go.

Hallelujah! I always had a suspicion that all DVc owners are not alike!

Some of the most negatively vocal on this thread are relatively new posters. I suggest doing a search through the threads and you will find quite a few threads a few years back with exactly the same theories. None of this is new. I actualy fell victim to it in 2004 when we joined. I avoided staying at my own home resort because I believed it to be all the negative things posted here. How stupid of me. Once I stayed there I loved it and returned repeatedly. We still switch around because we like to enjoy all DVC has.

If there is a positive, I think that most of the posters on this thread are different from the last SSR bashing group. (or just changed their names). Thanks to all of the defenders and those trying hard to use logic. Sometimes people just don't want to see logic other than their own. We all appreciate the efforts.

Now, just go and enjoy your own DVC experience, Disney is there to make money, they made a good chunk off of all of us...use what you paid for and enjoy it. I know we don't regret a penny of it ! (and I do love the spa...never go at home...love it at SSR !)

 

[mopee3]

Not everyone loves OKW either.

I haven't responded to this thread but Yes I am getting a little annoyed at the negative responses. Not only on this thread but others, it's like living in these United States of America, if you don't like living here why don't you go somewhere else? Oh wait there is no place else like this place!

I Love OKW but we only have AKV points at this point but am looking to add here and WV. I love OKW and the laid back look and feeling, the lack of busyness, the boats going down the river, the easy access to where ever you want to go, etc.
I also love the fact that not everybody loves the same places I do. Otherwise I would probably never get to stay where I wanted. So thanks to all you who don't like OKW.

Maybe we/I need to start a thread reminding me and others about the special times I have had because of DVC/Disney and especially a CM who treated me/us so very wonderfully.

Moe

 

[gkrykewy]

Not only on this thread but others, it's like living in these United States of America, if you don't like living here why don't you go somewhere else?

Oh come on.

How did this thread come to this? I am in awe.

 

[Anal Annie]

Wow...and have you stayed in a 1 bedroom or higher? Wow...I'm just flabergasted!

Alright, you got me! You lost me on this one. What does staying in a one bedroom or higher have to do with any of this??

And just BTW, Mississipian is the one who "sort of" compared SSR to a Motel 6 to start that vein of thinking - I simply said that in our experience I thought OKW fit that description more than SSR.... Again, in OUR experiences at these 2 resorts, our unit (it does not matter what SIZE unit) at SSR was MUCH cleaner and was maintained to a MUCH higher standard than our unit at OKW was. The carpet was clean and not threadbare, the bathroom was clean and there were no holes in the bedspread. The freezer door was intact. I really didn't have a complaint with the cleanliness or unit condition at SSR like we did at OKW. The dirty, dusty bathroom at OKW was a real turnoff. But then again, I have not stayed in a Motel 6 in my lifetime (yet) so I may not know what I am missing!!

 

[bobbiwoz]

...

And just IMO, OKW is the equivalent of a Motel 6 not SSR. At least our unit at SSR was clean, the bed was not like a concrete slab and the unit was not in dis-repair. I shouldn't say that we won't EVER stay at OKW again, but it is definitely not our resort of choice. In fact, I'd say if that if it was the only resort available on points we would consider paying cash to stay somewhere else and save the points. So. There. Not everyone loves OKW either. SOME of us prefer SSR.

Oh, and where is the OP of this thread these days? They have long since ditched the conversation...
OK, back to that apples & oranges and something to flip everyone's switch conversation......

OK...I'll quote more. You are saying that OKW is comparable to Motel 6. I don't agree with you, and I'm not a fan of OKW because most of the buildings don't have elevators. However, in no way do I consider OKW the "equivalent" of Motel 6.

I wonder if you have ever stayed in a 1 bedroom at OKW because they are usually described as "awesome" "large" "the equivalent of our first apartment." I have never had heard anyone describe a stay at Motel 6 in those terms. I don't think you have to think that OKW is your favorite resort to say that it has nice villas and grounds. There may be some nicely landscaped Motel 6's but still,they are not like OKW in my book.

Bobbi

 

[hakepb]

The problem is there's really no need of any other dining facilities. At its absolute worst, you might have to wait in line 15-20 minutes at Artist's Palette. And even that is for only a very small period of time during peak dining hours.

Disney isn't about to spend hundreds-of-thousands of dollars to build and operate more dining locations just to thin out the crowds a bit.

The Turf Club is an adequate facility for a character meal but Disney doesn't appear interested in going that direction. Olivia's at OKW used to host a character meal but Disney eliminated that about 6-7 years ago.

Disney is pretty good about creating new opportunities to take guests' money. In this particular case, given that Disney isn't adding character meals to more DVCs or opening additional restaurants, it suggests that they don't see an opportunity to make money.



Nope. Doesn't exist.

AP is a problem and Disney knows it. How many other resorts bothered to put up a slide on the resort TV channel saying to avoid dining between 8-10 am due to heavy crowds? In April (week afer spring break week), I avoided the "busy" period by going afer 10am and still waited 30 minutes on my checkout day..

I also realize Disney is quite good overall at making money, but sometimes there are other forces or "ideals" (like the "healthier", whole grain buns for burgers or pizza crust) they follow rather than going after every last buck.. (which makes me wonder if there is a DVC disagreement about a character breakfast not feeling "upscale enough", or is Disney actually slightly concerned about the DTD parking freeloaders? Or nobody wants to fully risk competing with in-room kitchens on a meal with very few alcohol sales?)

SSR is different than other resorts, does not really make it bad, just takes more effort from guests to slow down and take the time to enjoy what SSR can do. (but I'd still like to add a few more efficiencies..)

 

[theww228]

Hallelujah! I always had a suspicion that all DVc owners are not alike! I agree whole heartily that they are not all alike, they are in fact very different. This is why there is an issue when one resort is the 1/3 of the rooms. I don't think any of the resorts have a monopoly on 1/3 of the owners. I would imagine that if 1/3 of the rooms in DVC belonged to AKV there would be rooms that would not be filled until the end. SSR is not a "bad product" it just does not appeal to everyone. Like you said, "all DVc owners are not alike!". I LOVE VWL and others do not, that is fine with me. Just because not everyone likes VWL it does not mean that it is a terrible resort. However, if there were members that ended up getting "stuck" at VWL it would mean that not enough people enjoy it as much as me. I does not make me an idiot or a bad person for liking VWL. It is important to remember that members do not like certain resorts, not members at other resorts.
Some of the most negatively vocal on this thread are relatively new posters. I suggest doing a search through the threads and you will find quite a few threads a few years back with exactly the same theories. None of this is new. A new poster does not mean that the person is new to DIS. I have been lurking since 2004, but have never signed up until earlier this year and I have only posted for the first time a couple of weeks ago. This discussion has happened many times and I have followed many times. Generally, where there is smoke there is fire.
If there is a positive, I think that most of the posters on this thread are different from the last SSR bashing group.I have yet to see anyone post where I have bashed SSR owners or fault them for switching out at 7 months. Sometimes people just don't want to see logic other than their own. Over the years there have many many threads about members being stuck at OKW or SSR, I do not recall many, if any about someone complaining that they got stuck at BCV, BWV, or VWL. They have complained about not getting the view or room style they wanted, but not the resort

Now, just go and enjoy your own DVC experience, Disney is there to make money, they made a good chunk off of all of us...use what you paid for and enjoy it. I know we don't regret a penny of it ! (and I do love the spa...never go at home...love it at SSR !)I am truly happy that you love SSR. My desire is that eveyone enjoys every stay at DVC resorts.

My comments are in bold

 

[Anal Annie]

OK...I'll quote more. You are saying that OKW is comparable to Motel 6. I don't agree with you, and I'm not a fan of OKW because most of the buildings don't have elevators. However, in no way do I consider OKW the "equivalent" of Motel 6.

I wonder if you have ever stayed in a 1 bedroom at OKW because they are usually described as "awesome" "large" "the equivalent of our first apartment." I have never had heard anyone describe a stay at Motel 6 in those terms. I don't think you have to think that OKW is your favorite resort to say that it has nice villas and grounds. There may be some nicely landscaped Motel 6's but still,they are not like OKW in my book.

Bobbi

OK, I am not as concerned with size as I am with the cleanliness & maintenance of the actual villas. Really. Truely. I agree that the OKW grounds are beautiful, however, I am not sleeping on the 8th tee so that is irrelevant IMO. We stay in studios, you all know that. I just want it to be clean and well maintained. I don't care so much how big it is. (Also, I was not impressed with the goofy layout of the OKW studio & the dinky TV up on top of the slanted / sideways chest of drawers.) I MUCH prefer to have a split bath & a straighter layout of the unit like at SSR. I like having the kitchen / bath off of the foyer / entryway.

But whatever...I was saying OKW in MY mind was more like a Motel 6 than SSR only bcuz in my mind a Motel 6 might be more lacking in the cleanliness department and that was definitely the case in our stays between the two resorts. I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH SIZE. I don't care how big it is if it's been around the block too many times it ain't worth it.

But whatever, whatever, whatever......hate me, flame me, whatever. I'm taking my kid to swim practice. TTYL

 

[Chuck S]

Folks, this discussion has finally degraded, as all of these resort discussions do, into a "My resort is better than your resort...nope, yep, nope yep" type thread.

I think it has reached it's limit of general discussion, has become a circular argument and is time to put it to rest.