Anyone else agree????

[MissyDVC]

Have you been reading the news over the past year or so? All Disney has done internally is cut costs. Cutting jobs, cutting travel, changing purchasing systems to be more efficient, cutting back the number of Fant! shows, eliminating CM holiday parties, moving some attractions to more seasonal schedules, automating services that used to be run by people, simplifying menus to economize food purchases, eliminating some types of merchandise and on and on. What else, pray, would you like them to cut?

That's what I was wondering

 

[scoolover]

Can we stop referring to FF's as heroes. Here is my definition of hero: someone who goes beyond the scope of their training and equipment and puts themselves in harms way to come to the aid of another.

Fire fighters have fire proof clothing and extensive training on how to use it and not get killed doing it. That does not stand up to the term hero.

The untrained guy that pulls someone from a burning car is a hero.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

That's what I was wondering

Doesn't Iger make 51 million?

 

[WDSearcher]

Doesn't Iger make 51 million?

So ... What would be fair for the Pres/CEO of a multi-media conglomerate as big as Disney?

Iger actually makes $2 million in base salary, with stock options that are currently worth $34 million. The rest of his pay package ($14 million, give or take) is tied to results, attendance and other benchmarks, and much of it is not even available to him until he leaves or retires. And it's not that far off from anyone else who manages a corporation the size of Disney Co.

And, well ... Iger makes that much money because the stockholders voted to pay him that much money. If the stockholders think he's not worth it, then they have the option to vote to pay him less.

 

[wendy1974]

I respect all service industry people and what they do but likeothers have said where do ou draw the line...Teachers, Child Protection Workers etc. You could argue that for a lot of jobs people do.

 

[MissyDVC]

So ... What would be fair for the Pres/CEO of a multi-media conglomerate as big as Disney?

Iger actually makes $2 million in base salary, with stock options that are currently worth $34 million. The rest of his pay package ($14 million, give or take) is tied to results, attendance and other benchmarks, and much of it is not even available to him until he leaves or retires. And it's not that far off from anyone else who manages a corporation the size of Disney Co.

And, well ... Iger makes that much money because the stockholders voted to pay him that much money. If the stockholders think he's not worth it, then they have the option to vote to pay him less.

 

[Allison]

No, I don't agree.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

lol, as a stock holder in several other companies, i'd say that no one really cares what the average stock holder thinks.

 

[Doctor P]

holy cow where do you live? my dh makes NO WHERE near that...

Start from the perspective of comparing apples to apples: starting pay for an officer in the military (this is comparable to a firefighter or police officer since most police and firefighter positions now are requiring a college degree) is over $30,000. Add in the value of the housing allowance (either received in-kind or in cash) at a conservative $12,000 per year based on the military's tables. Add in the value of provided meals. Then add in the value of the educational benefits, add in extra pay for hazardous duty, add in a valuable pension system, and add in health care for the rest of your life (many people without health insurance or access to health care would kill for access to VA benefits--my dad even uses the VA after only having been in the service for two years and he HAS health insurance). Add in access to the PX, add in transportation benefits, and add in the veteran's job preferences.

I would not want the job and I admire all of our service people for doing their job on my behalf. But, to argue that there is little or no compensation....well, "where you stand depends on where you sit."

 

[WDSearcher]

lol, as a stock holder in several other companies, i'd say that no one really cares what the average stock holder thinks.

I think Michael Eisner might disagree with you there, as it was largely the stockholders that forced him out. Sure wasn't the board.

 

[goofyernmost]

I don't have enough time to read through all of the posts, so I'll just state my opinion.

Why should anyone, that is doing a regular job, be it Firefighting, Police, EMS or otherwise be given more than the rest of the population at large. We all have important functions to accomplish in our everyday life that effect many, many people.

Even the Military is just doing their job. When I was part of the military during the Vietnam war...we were not afforded any special privileges anywhere. The current "patriotism" push is what has created the military privileges that we have today. No other reason. Today's military is volunteer just like the previously mentioned occupations. Some of those jobs put people in the line of danger. How about the lineman...exposed to possible electrocution with a single wrong move just so we can run our microwaves and big screen TV's? Shouldn't they be given free stuff because of the risk they take? How about bus drivers that have to safely move their cargo from place to place? How about Airplane pilots?

I believe that after 9/11 Disney did give some special offers to fireman and policemen from NYC. That was fine and not permanent and recognized appreciation for extreme stress in dealing with the events of that day. That is understandable. But special consideration for doing the jobs that we get paid for, voluntarily work at, just because? I'm afraid I can't get behind that.

 

[theww228]

It cracks me up when I see other people so willing to "give away" other people's money. If the OP feels strongly about police, FF, & EMT getting discounts, then why doesn't he donate money to help offset the cost of police, FF, & EMT buying park tickets and/or room rates?

A few weeks back there were people complaining that a free day in the park was not enough for a day of volunteering. Disney does not have to give anything for people volunteering, so don't complain if it is "not enough".

It would absurd for me to say,

"Police that patrol low income areas should only be paid half of their salary and the other half will be donated to the people in the low income area."

"EMT's should only be paid 80% if the person they are transporting to the hospital is a priest/pastor"

"Firefighters should not be paid if they are fighting a fire at a Food Bank".

Which makes me wonder.... What would a fire at the food bank smell like? Probably pretty good for awhile.

 

[MissSixty]

I am insurance adjuster. Everyone hates me and I get no respect and threatening phone calls every day. Where is my discount?
J/K

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

I think Michael Eisner might disagree with you there, as it was largely the stockholders that forced him out. Sure wasn't the board.

It took far too long, though, and was not done by "stockholders" as much as "STOCKHOLDERS."

Had the biggies liked him, he would have stayed regardless of what joe schmoe stockholder thought.

Someone asked where cuts could be made. I made my suggestion. When someone is making that much money, I think talks of cutbacks are ridiculous.

 

[kurdav]

I have to reply to this. I am the Mom of a Paramedic, the sister to a Paramedic and the sister to a state trooper and a police officer. Do I think they should get special discounts because of their job. NO!! They knew the danger when they went into the job. My husband is a farmer. Are we given special discounts just because he has an extremely low paying and dangerous job. NO!! I am a teacher. Should I be given a discount just because I deal with children with emotional handicaps each day. NO!! I knew what I was getting into when I became a teacher.

Disney does a great job of supporting our military. These men and women spend many months away from their families fighting in foreign lands, while receiving a pay that puts many families on food stamps and free food programs. No I am not a military family but I know from my volunteer position as a food bank director that many military families are at or near the poverty line.

Also just a thought about the Ems, Fire & Police. Many local communities give discounts or free items to these people. Many restaurants give small to very large discounts to uniformed police, fire and ems personnel. Should they give those discounts to all just because we are farmers, teachers, factory workers, etc.

 

[DisCopper]

Nope, I've got family in these professions, and I still don't think they are entitled to any extra discounts.

But I DO think that they have jobs they themselves describe as very cushy, in which they do an awful lot of leisure and recreation and a little bit of work.
And they already get huge discounts in the area on everything from food to furniture and appliances to cars. I'm talking up to 50% at most places.

Don't get me wrong I appreciate the work and the life-risking; but since getting to know several people in the police and fire industry, I've come to find out that they severely suffer from "entitlement" issues, and like many on this thread, think their jobs are so much more important than everyone else.

Wow.

As a police officer, this is going to be my only comment on this thread.

I've worked in law enforcement for almost 20 years. I'd like to know where I can get up to 50% off on furniture, appliances, and cars. At my agency, we're not allowed to take a discount at even a fast food place. I've never been offered a discount on anything big like furniture.

Our pay puts me smack dab into lower-middle class. If I work a LOT of overtime (which isn't always available), I'm in middle-middle class.

You say that you appreciate the work and life-risking.... but you think they suffer from severe "entitlement" issues. Sorry. There are all kinds of problems with that statement. It's very telling. But I'll refrain from response because it would probably be considered a personal attack.

Someone else mentioned that we live in a free society and that police and firefighters willingly chose their jobs. Yep. I sure did. And so did every single person in the US military. There hasn't been a draft for many years.

My overall impression of this thread doesn't have anything to do with what people are "entitled" to. Or what anyone "deserves." The feeling that I get from many (not all, of course) of you is that you are jealous. You want to get the discount. You want to be the one who is "entitled." You want to take your families to Disney and pay less. There's an undercurrent of anger here. And it shows the worst of the DIS Boards. It's a bunch of people bickering. And no one's opinion is going to be changed.

For the record: I don't feel like I'm entitled. I was surprised to see that the Swan and Dolphin offer a government rate (but as an ex-hotel employee, I know that this isn't always the best deal). I'd also rather stay at another resort. If Disney did offer a discount, I simply wouldn't tell them my profession. I'd be in violation of my agency rules if I took it and a week in the Parks isn't worth my job. BUT I also don't have problems with other people getting discounts. If Disney wants to give a free week to Florida Fire-fighters, good for them.

This thread needs to be closed.

As I said before, this will be my only comment.

NOT subscribing.

 

[livie1205]

Wow.

As a police officer, this is going to be my only comment on this thread.

I've worked in law enforcement for almost 20 years. I'd like to know where I can get up to 50% off on furniture, appliances, and cars. At my agency, we're not allowed to take a discount at even a fast food place. I've never been offered a discount on anything big like furniture.

Our pay puts me smack dab into lower-middle class. If I work a LOT of overtime (which isn't always available), I'm in middle-middle class.

You say that you appreciate the work and life-risking.... but you think they suffer from severe "entitlement" issues. Sorry. There are all kinds of problems with that statement. It's very telling. But I'll refrain from response because it would probably be considered a personal attack.

Someone else mentioned that we live in a free society and that police and firefighters willingly chose their jobs. Yep. I sure did. And so did every single person in the US military. There hasn't been a draft for many years.

My overall impression of this thread doesn't have anything to do with what people are "entitled" to. Or what anyone "deserves." The feeling that I get from many (not all, of course) of you is that you are jealous. You want to get the discount. You want to be the one who is "entitled." You want to take your families to Disney and pay less. There's an undercurrent of anger here. And it shows the worst of the DIS Boards. It's a bunch of people bickering. And no one's opinion is going to be changed.

For the record: I don't feel like I'm entitled. I was surprised to see that the Swan and Dolphin offer a government rate (but as an ex-hotel employee, I know that this isn't always the best deal). I'd also rather stay at another resort. If Disney did offer a discount, I simply wouldn't tell them my profession. I'd be in violation of my agency rules if I took it and a week in the Parks isn't worth my job. BUT I also don't have problems with other people getting discounts. If Disney wants to give a free week to Florida Fire-fighters, good for them.

This thread needs to be closed.

As I said before, this will be my only comment.

NOT subscribing.

100% correct...I just did not know how to put it like you did! My dh is NOT allowed any discounts either...THANK YOU for what you do everyday when you put that belt on!

 

[kurdav]

I am amazed at departments that don't allow you to accept discounts. My brother actually works for the town of Speedway, IN. Home of the Indy 500, Brickyard 400 as well as other racing events. Each officer in the department is given tickets for the race by the Hulman-George family. Of course the officers must work crowd control at all the races and can't go to the race but at least their wives, husbands, children, etc. can go.
The state of Indiana must be different when comes to Police, Fire, Ems discounts. Most all fast food restaurants give a minimal discount as long as they are in uniform. Departments here allow officers to take advantage. Many fast food restaurants love to have officers eating at their restaurants because it gives the added police presence.

Do I begrudge these public safety officials for their discounts. No not in a million years. Warming up leftovers in a patrol car is quite difficult to do. Brown bagging it everyday gets old.

 

[disneyfan'ole]

Can we stop referring to FF's as heroes. Here is my definition of hero: someone who goes beyond the scope of their training and equipment and puts themselves in harms way to come to the aid of another.

Fire fighters have fire proof clothing and extensive training on how to use it and not get killed doing it. That does not stand up to the term hero.

The untrained guy that pulls someone from a burning car is a hero.

Seriously?!?! My DH is a firefighter and I think he is a hero. You tell me that just because he is trained to save someone life that doesn't make him a hero. When he saves that child from the pool and bring them back, is he not a hero in those parents eyes. When he saves the family pet from a fire, is he not a hero in that families eye? Yes he chose this profession. Not for the money, but because he loves it.

My DH puts his life on the line every day he goes into to work. I don't know if that day is going to be a day that I am going to get a call that he was killed in a burning bldg or on scene of a car accident, or that patient he responded to suddenly pulls a gun and kills him.

Same could be said for Police Officers.

Hopefully that never happens to anyone.

So in that case how about a teacher. That teacher that taught children to read, to add, etc. To me that is a hero!

That scientist who found a cure for some disease, that is a hero to me!

Also, how about the accountant they found some hidden deductions and saved me a ton on money on my taxes! I love that man! He was totally my hero!

A hero has so many different definitions in my book.

Also, in that case I appreciate our Military and the job that they do away from their families and the danger they are in everyday.

Do I think that we are entitled to "free" things? No, but people like to be recognized for the wonderful job that you do whether it is a police officer, firefighter, accountant, teacher, etc. That is human nature.

 

[Halbleib1]

http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state

These aren't exactly stellar salaries. Our teachers have a small classroom budget. If it goes for tissues, then they can't buy books. How long ago did you go to school? I don't know any teacher living on their own salary who has retired that early. DH who isn't a teacher, but is an employee eligible for the benefits, opted out and for our own investments due to the potential loss of those state offerings. A much better and more secure choice.

As you said, everyone makes their own choices. Yours involves no benefits. Your choice.

eta: I had to get a PhD to make more than my BS husband...my choice!

Actually we did not choose to have no medical benefits. The jobs just do not provide them anymore to most professions. At least not affordable ones. Due to pre existing conditions we can not get insurance on our own.

I only graduated 10 years ago. And most of the teachers that I had were my parents ages and are retired already. A few that I had their spouse was also a teacher whom also retired at the same time. They retired well before retirement age for most people so you can not tell me this is not possible on a teachers salary. I am not by any means saying they were rich but they certainly were not poor either. No where near the poverty level that some people try to portray. And they have good medical benefits due to us the tax payer and yet for many it still is not enough.

Even without the medical benefits I was very grateful because my husband had a job and we were doing pretty good. By no means rich but able to live a pretty good life. Yet others that were even better off than us were still complaining they were not making enough or they did not have good enough benefits etc. and still are. These days it is a blessing just to have a job and be able to pay your regular bills. Although my husband is currently unemployeed I am still very grateful for what we do have. Which is just enough to pay our bills each month and to put food on the table. We were fortunate that while he was working we were able to build up a savings to help us out as well.

BTW: not everyone can afford to pay for a college education much less a phd. That is not always a choice. We can only control so much in our lives. When I refered to choices in my post I was refering to whom I might date or marry as well as the choices that I had control over.