Any other members with multiple households? Need help with an issue.

[Dean]

I just finished adding my two daughters to my two contracts and they are both now co-owners with me. I did it so that they can enjoy the DVC experience as owners as we have been spending at least one or two vacations a year there as a group. As they get older things like work, school for the grandkids and etc... make group trips harder so now we can all plan our own trips if needed and still enjoy the benefits of the membership 'we' are all paying for.

I don't give it a second thought as I always told them to consider the DVC as a vacation home and that they can borrow the 'keys' to the house anytime....

Lets say someone got upset and purposefully canceled another owners reservation or used all the points when they weren't supposed to. I added one adult child but not the other because of different levels of responsibility at the time.

 

[mikek]

Lets say someone got upset and purposefully canceled another owners reservation or used all the points when they weren't supposed to. I added one adult child but not the other because of different levels of responsibility at the time.

If i recall (so could be wrong) should things get ugly ever there is one MASTER owner (looks like called the "purchaser" or "principle contact" when i look it up at dvcmember.com) who gets the last say in all disputes and can effectively lock anyone else out- and the contract docs say that Disney wants no part in any silly fights so if there is ever a dispute they stay out of it and the head owner wins. (again all my recollection)

But back to the OP- back in the day (we've been owners for some time now so please excuse my memory if it's off)- you could only have 4 people listed on disney side of things regardless of what you did with the deed. The "purchaser" and 3 "additional purchasers". You can designate "associate" members too, but they have limited rights and abilities. Sounds like perhaps if you are the 5th on in they labeled you an "associate"? THings could be different now a days- check what it lists you as on the dvc website under profile- maybe that's a clue.

And if i haven't been clear- sorry if my memory is wrong- it's been a while- lol. But someplace to start looking maybe....

 

[duckie0517]

This discussion is very interesting.
I am curious once you have added someone to be co-owner can you also remove them?

 

[rowlands57]

Given that they would be on the deed I think removing would not be a simple process without the written consent of all the owners. It would also likely involve a re-recording of the deed again to make the changes official.

 

[mikek]

Given that they would be on the deed I think removing would not be a simple process without the written consent of all the owners. It would also likely involve a re-recording of the deed again to make the changes official.

If I understand correctly there are two different things- Disney's "club " records and the deed. And Disney did it that way so that the legalities of the deed don't matter to them and so it's cleaner to them that there is only ONE person in charge in case there is a battle. (Hence how a primary owner can control things when in theory the other owners could have more ownership percentage and so the primary probably could be forced to sell in court)

I do recall for sure that when my mom passed away- there were 2 different processes. It was one process to remove her from Disney records and make someone else the primary (the 3 of us surviving all agreed so that was easy enough- not sure what they would do if you were brawling). A second process is needed to update the deed. It doesn't matter what the deed says to Disney- I'm fairly certain that they just punted and said something akin to "see a lawyer about your deed, but now that there is a new primary in our records feel free to make reservations or do whatever you want".

My recollection is the Disney records I think basically just need a form (maybe a letter)- it might need to notarized or similar. But you have to handle the deed through the county. You can do it yourself or get a lawyer- and you need whatever documentation the county wants.

I suppose if things get really ugly then people would have to go to court in the Florida county their deed is registered in to get tings sold/transferred/throw out the primary/whatever. But in the mean time until they are served with papers Disney will listen only to what the primary says.

I'm fairly certain this is all described well enough in the ownership documents for anyone that needed to know for sure. But this is what i recall.

 

[Dean]

If i recall (so could be wrong) should things get ugly ever there is one MASTER owner (looks like called the "purchaser" or "principle contact" when i look it up at dvcmember.com) who gets the last say in all disputes and can effectively lock anyone else out- and the contract docs say that Disney wants no part in any silly fights so if there is ever a dispute they stay out of it and the head owner wins. (again all my recollection)

That's my recollection as well but I'm not aware they've ever used that provision and if they did, it'd have to be after issues happened to cause a concern and enforcement. So damage could be done before the limited to one person if they ever would.

But back to the OP- back in the day (we've been owners for some time now so please excuse my memory if it's off)- you could only have 4 people listed on disney side of things regardless of what you did with the deed. The "purchaser" and 3 "additional purchasers". You can designate "associate" members too, but they have limited rights and abilities. Sounds like perhaps if you are the 5th on in they labeled you an "associate"? THings could be different now a days- check what it lists you as on the dvc website under profile- maybe that's a clue.

I'm not sure this is accurate. You may have been told that but I don't know of evidence from DVC or in the POS that such is the case. Plus, given they CHOSE to do this as a deed rather than hold them in trust, They're basically at the mercy of the POS wording and the deed listing. As I understand it, the only limitation on numbers would be any limitation the state or County had related to how many could be on the deed. I've seen various numbers thrown forth over the years, generally 6 is the most common but I've also seen 8 but again, no documentation that anyone has ever actually been limited. I do know that there have been those who stated they had 6.

This discussion is very interesting.
I am curious once you have added someone to be co-owner can you also remove them?

You'd need a new deed signed by all and recorded along with the ROFR and no loan with completion of the various transfer documents and a copy of the recorded deed to DVC.

 

[mikek]

That's my recollection as well but I'm not aware they've ever used that provision and if they did, it'd have to be after issues happened to cause a concern and enforcement. So damage could be done before the limited to one person if they ever would.

for sure- an alternate owner could have mangled your points or canceled a reservation or something before you knew to block them.

I'm not sure this is accurate. You may have been told that but I don't know of evidence from DVC or in the POS that such is the case. Plus, given they CHOSE to do this as a deed rather than hold them in trust, They're basically at the mercy of the POS wording and the deed listing. As I understand it, the only limitation on numbers would be any limitation the state or County had related to how many could be on the deed. I've seen various numbers thrown forth over the years, generally 6 is the most common but I've also seen 8 but again, no documentation that anyone has ever actually been limited. I do know that there have been those who stated they had 6.

I'm NOT sure it's accurate either- LOL. But my best recollection of when we purchased circa 99 was that we couldn't get 6 people on the Disney side of things. At that time that was what we were told. I remember thinking I could probably put 100 people on the county deed so what's it to them... Perhaps it was a limitation of their wonderful IT systems at the time? For our situation it would have worked best to have 6 owners, but it for whatever reason we couldn't. So we wound up doing just 4. (although it's possible at the time that perhaps 5 was an "allowed" number).

I'm pretty certain that something was going on becasue it is/was always, basically from day one, a bit of a PITA to not have all 6. We (myself, wife, and kids) live in eastern time whereas the rest of my family/the owners are on the other side of the country. So when you used to have to call it was up to us on this end to get up and call first thing. Since we were told we couldn't have 6 we wound up leaving my wife off, and therefore she wasn't able to call for a lot of things as she wasn't an owner- it was always winding up to be a pain in my particular rear and frequently i had to rearrange my work schedule to be available first thing. Later we were able to add my wife as an 'associate'- so she was able to call. THinking about it 'associate' might just be something that IT finally was able to implement- feeling more like it was a systems issue.

 

[Dean]

I'm NOT sure it's accurate either- LOL. But my best recollection of when we purchased circa 99 was that we couldn't get 6 people on the Disney side of things. At that time that was what we were told. I remember thinking I could probably put 100 people on the county deed so what's it to them... Perhaps it was a limitation of their wonderful IT systems at the time? For our situation it would have worked best to have 6 owners, but it for whatever reason we couldn't. So we wound up doing just 4. (although it's possible at the time that perhaps 5 was an "allowed" number).

I'm pretty certain that something was going on becasue it is/was always, basically from day one, a bit of a PITA to not have all 6. We (myself, wife, and kids) live in eastern time whereas the rest of my family/the owners are on the other side of the country. So when you used to have to call it was up to us on this end to get up and call first thing. Since we were told we couldn't have 6 we wound up leaving my wife off, and therefore she wasn't able to call for a lot of things as she wasn't an owner- it was always winding up to be a pain in my particular rear and frequently i had to rearrange my work schedule to be available first thing. Later we were able to add my wife as an 'associate'- so she was able to call. THinking about it 'associate' might just be something that IT finally was able to implement- feeling more like it was a systems issue.

I know some have been allowed to have 6. Might have been a DVD limitation which wouldn't hold if you redid the deed or more likely, the guide or culture's assumption.. There may be a limit in FL but if so, I'm not aware what it is. Realistically I think 6 is about the limit one can anticipate though.