Any orca lovers here?

annabelle

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Is it just me or do you cry whenever you see these whales?
I'm a pretty tough girl... but there's something about these beautiful, graceful creatures that makes me feel so humbled.
I went on youtube and searched for 'orcas'... there are lots of videos and slideshows put to music of orcas swimming and jumping. I was a basket case! They're so BEAUTIFUL!

I've told DH time and time again... my dream job would be to work at SeaWorld as one of the whale trainers. It probably doesn't pay much... but I could die knowing I did something I was passionate about.
 
I love them too....I have for as long as I can remember.

Me & my DH did Seaworld Trainer for a day about 5 years ago and we got to stroke & feed some. Also you get to do tricks with them and the trainers....but my favourite bit of all was going in one of the tanks at the back of the stage area and going under the water where Tilicom (the biggest one in the Shamu show) was the other side of a gate looking through it at us. She was about 4 foot away from us (with the gate inbetween) but I will never forget how I felt looking into her eyes....:cloud9:

I also one day want to do a trip to Norway to go and see them in the wild...but I need to start saving!
 
Every time I see a trainer soar skyward and take a swan dive off Shamu's snout, I know in that instant that I've wasted my life.

If it's your dream, you go girl.
 
Actually, I think SeaWorld's trainers are fairly well paid. The requirements are pretty stringent: college degree in psychology or marine science and excellent physical condition, among others.
 

I was so bummed to hear that they don't do 'trainer for the day' with the orcas anymore. I should have done that few years ago and not 'postpone' it. Lesson learned.

I would love to chase the dream of being a trainer, but with 3 kids (and a husband), I've got my hands full doing other things! :hug:

I think the closest I'll get to them is the Dine with Shamu.
 
I was lucky enough to do trainer for a day at San Diego two years ago and got to interact with the Orcas there. I am normally a bottle nosed dolphin person, but I think it is telling that I cannot remember the name of the dolphins I swam with on the same day. I was just so in awe of the Orcas that the rest of the day was kind of a blurr.

dolphingirl47
 
Actually, I think SeaWorld's trainers are fairly well paid. The requirements are pretty stringent: college degree in psychology or marine science and excellent physical condition, among others.


Not quite accurate.

Trainers get paid crap. It's not as bad as... say... sweeping the floor at the parks... but it's honestly just peanuts. Count on starting in the range of $11/hr or so. Don't count on making much more unless you get moved into a Lead position or higher. I spent some time working at DC and got to know a lot of the trainers and animal care staff fairly well. It's NOT a job that rakes in any kind of reasonable money, you do it for the love.. not for the lucrative paycheck. Be prepared to either live cheap or work two jobs. A lot of folks I knew used the experience as a springboard to get them into other facilities across the country. Many of them were working multiple jobs, too.

And no, college degrees are NOT required. The only zoological department that requires a college degree is Aquarium, and those degrees are generally biology/aquaculture/chemistry related. College experience is a bonus, but not at all required.

To be perfectly honest, unless you have a full free ride at college, I would NOT recommend college as a route to Trainerdom at any facility. It may be helpful. But if you're putting yourself into massive debt to do it.. you're better off either going forward with a graduate degree and getting into a more research related, non-trainer field at a marine institute or whatnot... or just skipping the college aspect all together to pursue a trainer job. Or marry someone with money. ;) You'll never pay off all that debt on a trainer's salary.

From my own experiences with the animal care staff there, the real requirement is actual hands-on experience. They want to see years of documented volunteer work and employment at other zoological institutions. They want years and years of it. Of all the folks I knew there, none of the people (other than the Aquarium staff) actually had degrees.

Scuba certification is required. CPR certification is required. Lifeguard certification is highly favorable, and in some positions also required (the DC trainer staff, for example).

But, yeah, the swimming skills are crucial. Their swim tests are brutal (especially SW's Animal Care test, which is held in the bitterly cold water of the Beluga pool.. and the Shamu Stadium test, which is next to impossible for any ordinary person!)

It's been my dream for years. I was damn close to getting there when I worked at DC before... I was just about to apply for a transfer out of photography and into zoological when I had to quit the job (winter cuts made it impossible to even pay my meager bills at the time).

It's not a lifelong career in most cases, though. There comes a point when you're just not going to be able to do that swim test anymore. That's why, more and more, I'm starting to think that the best bet would be to go back to college, get a Masters & PhD, then do actual research that makes a positive impact instead. =)

But yes, killer whales are awesome. I had the pleasure of helping with food prep, feeding, and interacting with them on one of the days at a Career Camp in San Antonio ten years ago. Spent a week there, spending each day working in a different department... lots of food prep... I still have fond memories of being up to my armpits in dead, thawing fish... and slitting open the belly of a salmon to check its innards for hooks, then shoving them all back inside so that the killer whales could eat them... and stuffing pills into gill slits.. and scrubbing fish scales of pails, walls, sinks, floors... happy times! I loved every minute of it!

This was me and Keet, back in 1998..

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Thanks for the correction.

I guess being a trainer is something like being an actor: people love to do it so much that they'll work for peanuts.

Then, too, my idea of what "good pay" looks like may be a bit skewed. I'm a writer! :rotfl:
 
Definitely something you do for the love of it, not the cash! :goodvibes

Heehee... I worked as a freelance photographer / graphic designer for a while.. I can only imagine writers are comparable! Ah, those were the days... ramen noodles, ahoy! :lmao:
 
If your a person who loves their job then great,

I worked at the NY Aquarium for 9 years i started out as a volunteer (paid 0) but then i found my way and was getting a measly 7 an hour..lol But enough bout me

Seaworld Orcas are amazing Yeah I had my special moment with TILLIKUM and always look forward to seeing him everytime i go the first time i saw him was in 1993 i never forget his eyes, he looks directly at you. We did the trainer for a day and he was our whale..lol We got to scratch that huge pectoral fin of his and do a couple of behaviors with him.. I loved twisting my body around to make him turn also. I even got a special "kiss" through the glass of course..Its a moment you never forget. Yes you do cry because its so much to take in, your in the precence of a great, intelligent creature who is looking right at you.

As for trainer for a day- the reason they stopped it was because of the calves, they said once the calves are old enough they will start it back up again. that means when the youngest calf turns about 3 years..(geez) --but i know SWC and SWT are still doing it. So what can you do.
 
If your a person who loves their job then great,

I worked at the NY Aquarium for 9 years i started out as a volunteer (paid 0) but then i found my way and was getting a measly 7 an hour..lol But enough bout me

Seaworld Orcas are amazing Yeah I had my special moment with TILLIKUM and always look forward to seeing him everytime i go the first time i saw him was in 1993 i never forget his eyes, he looks directly at you. We did the trainer for a day and he was our whale..lol We got to scratch that huge pectoral fin of his and do a couple of behaviors with him.. I loved twisting my body around to make him turn also. I even got a special "kiss" through the glass of course..Its a moment you never forget. Yes you do cry because its so much to take in, your in the precence of a great, intelligent creature who is looking right at you.

As for trainer for a day- the reason they stopped it was because of the calves, they said once the calves are old enough they will start it back up again. that means when the youngest calf turns about 3 years..(geez) --but i know SWC and SWT are still doing it. So what can you do.

Tillikum is a killer whale all right

ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) -
A man found dead and naked on the back of a killer whale in a tank at SeaWorld Orlando was a drifter who apparently drowned after picking the wrong place to swim, police said Wednesday.
Police identified the dead man as Daniel Dukes, 27, a man who gave his address as a Hare Krishna Temple in Miami. An autopsy scheduled for Wednesday was expected to show he had drowned, as his body was not harmed.

"There was no foul play or anything sinister on his part,'' said Orange County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Solomons. "He was camped out in the park and just took the opportunity to swim with the whale.''

An employee at the Orlando marine theme park discovered Dukes Tuesday morning, dead, nude and draped across the back of a killer whale "Tillikum,'' named after the western North American Indian Chinook word for "friend.''

Investigators said the 14-year-old whale -- at 11,000 pounds (4,990 kg) the largest in captivity -- may have played with Dukes' 180-pound (82 kg) body as if it were a toy.

Killer whales, also called orcas, are not naturally aggressive to humans and are not inclined to add something new, like people, to their diet, experts said.

Officials at SeaWorld Orlando said they try to keep people like Dukes from hiding in the park when it closes. There is 24-hour security around the whale tanks, but the area is kept dark at night so the giant ocean mammals can sleep.

Animal rights advocates said the incident demonstrated why whales should not be held in captivity.

"The fact that a SeaWorld patron was able to gain access to the whale pools after the park was closed demonstrates that SeaWorld does not provide enough security for whales and visitors alike,'' Naomi Rose, a marine mammal scientist for the Humane Society of the United States, said in a statement.

SeaWorld General Manager Vic Abbey said Tillikum, which was involved in a fatal 1991 incident at a park in Victoria, British Columbia, was never in a tank with humans.

In that incident, a trainer slipped and fell into the tank. Tillikum and two female whales held the trainer underwater until she drowned.

"Tillikum is used for breeding and sometimes appears in shows to splash water on the guests, but never with humans in the tank,'' he said.

The U.S. Agriculture Department said it would investigate SeaWorld's safety precautions, a spokesman said.

Solomons said Dukes had family in South Carolina and may have been from there originally. He was arrested for shoplifting in southern Florida in June.

Abbey said this was the first incident of its kind in the 35-year history of the SeaWorld parks.

The SeaWorld marine parks, in Orlando, Cleveland, Ohio, San Antonio, Texas, and San Diego, are owned by Anheuser-Busch ***

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i know that was in 1999, the coroner concluded that the guy died of hyperthermia and tillikum pulled off his trunks postmortem. that water is 52 degrees which means you can freeze to death in a matter of minutes.

They say he acts like "A calf in a big orca's body" He is a wuss-- if you look at him closely you can see all the rakes on his body from the females picking on him. he swims to the trainers when they do pick on him, even whines when he's alone .. i've seen him do it.. poor guy..lol big baby. accidents happen. He was also apart of an incident at Sealand which included two females who were pregnant (and pregnant females are agressive) Nookta was known to bite and even tried on a few occasions to pull a trainer into the water. But i dont care what people say, i still love him. I guess its because i've worked with animals before and have a bachelors in animal psychology. So it doesnt phase me..lol

btw: DUKES also went into the Manatees pool a year before the incident with Tillikum at Seaworld Florida.
 
Tillikum is a whale with a record, that's for sure! That "incident"... well... he and those two female killer whales at Sealand of the Pacific killed that trainer. They drowned her.

There's a good reason why they don't do any in-water work with him and why his primary role at Sea World is as their main breeding sire.

As much as people like to get all touchy-feely about these animals, they /are/ wild animals and they /are/ apex predators. Wild carnivores, no matter how docile, are creatures of instinct, demanding a healthy respect and cautious handling. And a 12000 lbs killer whale like Tillikum accords the utmost in caution. I love these animals, but I wish people would not anthropomorphize--they're not people in whale suits. =)
 
That's for sure.... just like captive (and trained) lions and tigers, they demand respect and can revert back to their instinctual behaviors in a heartbeat.

I've seen many videos of orcas pouncing on sea lions - and sometimes (playfully) tossing them in the air before actually eating them. They are KILLER whales for a reason. I think that's why they're so fascinating to me... they have the ability to rip apart top tier feeding creatures - like a great white - but yet they move with so much grace... and are of course, very intelligent.

Watch this video of orcas working together as a team to wash a sea lion off an iceberg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBF9cDBUakA

BTW, Dixiedolphin and Tillikumtrainer.... thank you for your stories above!
 
you are correct, they are intelligent creatures who have a mind all their own, if they want to hurt you oh they will..

When I worked at the NYA we stressed the fact that only at aquariums is where you can and should get close to whales and dolphins, out in the wild, you should never try to swim, touch or chase them. these animals are ambassadors (its early and i cant spell) to their wild counterparts. Animals wether big or small should be treated with the utmost respect. I respect the ocean as I have been taught in my culture. "Always show respect to the ocean, because when you respect her and the creatures within, she may how you something you have never dreamed of." my grandmother would say to me and my cousins.

I have always followed that advice and believe me the most incredible moment I ever had was my very first scuba dive @ 16yrs old. and a Humpback whale Mom and calf where passing through, decided to stop and take a rest where we were. The calf being curious always checking out "the things that swim funny." I have had many an experience sharks passing within inches of me. pods of dolphin coming out of nowhere. Their all amazing.

sorry to rant but thats me :) your welcome im glad i can share with many people .
 
How fortunate are you to have such experiences diving!

I haven't done that yet... but I've spent many days snorkeling in Akumal Bay, Mexico. Here's a picture:

http://www.locogringo.com/maps/tour/122b-t.html
Lots of reef right off shore. This is my second home. I have dreams about swimming with the fish, sea turtles and sting rays. I spend hours out there, no fins, no jacket (the water is almost like glass most days)... it's just me and my mask and snorkel, and of course, all those beautiful fish.

I would love, love, love to see wild dolphins and whales. Maybe one day... :goodvibes
 
How fortunate are you to have such experiences diving!

I haven't done that yet... but I've spent many days snorkeling in Akumal Bay, Mexico. Here's a picture:

http://www.locogringo.com/maps/tour/122b-t.html
Lots of reef right off shore. This is my second home. I have dreams about swimming with the fish, sea turtles and sting rays. I spend hours out there, no fins, no jacket (the water is almost like glass most days)... it's just me and my mask and snorkel, and of course, all those beautiful fish.

I would love, love, love to see wild dolphins and whales. Maybe one day... :goodvibes

I went to Tysfjord to see wild killer whales it was amasing seeing them where they should be seen not in a glass tank. In Norway in the summer they go out to the sea and see sperm whales would love to do that next.
 
I went to Tysfjord to see wild killer whales it was amasing seeing them where they should be seen not in a glass tank. In Norway in the summer they go out to the sea and see sperm whales would love to do that next.

Hi Paula....I was going to book a trip to Tysfjord this year but couldn't offord to do that and WDW...so maybe next year or the year after. What was it like...did you go out on a kayak? I would love to hear more..PM if you want?
 
yeah i did the Kayaking in vancouver with the orcas It is soo very incredible and spiritual. You should try the earthwatch expeditions its so worth it .. you do some experiences that you never forget.
 





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