Any non-AP parents out there??

[portia9]

I am not an AP parent because it doesn't suit my personality but I do like the AP philosophy.

I have 4 kids-they are 10, 7, 5 and 2. My eldest well I just did the best I could-breastfed him for 7 months, ended up using the Ferber method at 9 months which I hated doing but I was exhausted.

Before I had my 7yo I had researched AP and decided I wanted to cosleep with him. When he was born he was a brilliant sleepr (still is LOL) and he would lie awake until I put him in his crib He slept through really early and I breastfed him until 13 months.

My 5yo was breastfed for 12 months and slept in his own crib.

My 2yo was my child that I was so glad that I had heard of cosleeping. She would not sleep away from me. Not from the time she was born. I would put her in her crib and she would wake up straight away. So we coslept for 10 months and then I did CIO to improve her sleep and she is now a brilliant sleeper (she is nearly 3 and sleeps 14 hours a day). I used a sling with her and I wish I had one with my others, it was fantastic. I breastfed her for 20 months.

My kids all have been vaccinated but my boys have not been circed-completely unecessary but my father, brothers and husband aren't.

So I really don't fit into any club-I am a breastfeeding/cosleeping/CIO mum LOL. I don't agree with spanking either but I have at times but I don't think it is an effective method of discipline

Yvette

 

[4littlemonkeys]

Pretty much no one in my generation was breast fed. It's no calamity. No big thing. I know the revved up PR La Leche machine wants to guilt all mothers into believing it, but really, the benefits are marginal for most kids.

And loans for college? Sure, but what parent wants to saddle their kid with a hundred grand in college loans?

Like I said, different priorities. For me, I regret every minute I spent worrying and struggling with breast-feeding the first six weeks of my child's life. Things got better the second I decided to listen to my child and my self, and stop breast feeding.

You are right they are marginal. LLL controls it all, there is nobody else out there doing studies on it. The benefits are silly. Is this your own research or your anger that you couldn't do it? Listen the benefits are there. If you couldn't do it that's fine. Heck you tried. You should be given credit. Maybe you are bitter? I don't know but the benefits are well known and I've seen people try to belittle the benefits and it just doesn't make a lot of sense. There are too many studies backed by too many companies to try and push those studies off. It's okay you didn't breastfeed. You not doing it doesn't make the benefits marginal. Not everything goes the way we want. Sometimes we give things our best effort and it still doesn't work out. Breastfeeding is hard for some people...really really really hard. The truth is while there are classes and online sites...those aren't hands on around the clock help. It's not going to be possible for every woman to breastfeed. It's also not fair that those who didn't do it to trivialize it.

I'm sorry the worrying for those first 6 weeks destroyed you in some way. That's horrible.

My kids will pay for their own college. They need to start with responsibility at some point and that's a good point...and it can happen when their education is done and they have a nice job and they can pay back their student loans.

So yes priorities except I can't quite figure out what breastfeeding has to do with paying for a college education.

When I'm breastfeeding it's not taking me away from doing something that stops me from helping the college fund.

The priorities are different. That has been agreed upon. You took it to bash AP. There's where the line was crossed and it really became sad.

 

[4littlemonkeys]

can i just ask is circumcision widely done in the U.S?
we are in the U.K where it is usually done only for religious reasons.
I also am a none AP parent.
I did breastfeed,but here in the U.K we are taught that co sleeping is very dangerous.
I did try a sling but DS just wanted to fed constantly when in it.

It's really becoming 50/50 now throughout the country. You will find pockets where very few do it and other areas where many are doing it. So it's a little regional but the country is going towards a 50/50 level now.

The AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) has come out and said there are no major benefits and it's not a recommendation they are making.

Health insurance companies are starting to deny payments for it.

I also think parents are more educated and have more resources at their fingertips so instead of going along with things they are now asking questions and researching.

My son saw a ped urologist for a non-foreskin related surgery a few years back. I was freaked they would circ him during the surgery. When I spoke with the MD about my fears he came out and told me he will not circ a child unless there is a medical reason. I forget the medical organization name for ped urology but he told me that they do not recommend routine circ.

So the trend is going towards non-circ and it's been going this way for several years now.

 

[Stimpy]

It's really becoming 50/50 now throughout the country. You will find pockets where very few do it and other areas where many are doing it. So it's a little regional but the country is going towards a 50/50 level now.

The AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) has come out and said there are no major benefits and it's not a recommendation they are making.

Health insurance companies are starting to deny payments for it.

I also think parents are more educated and have more resources at their fingertips so instead of going along with things they are now asking questions and researching.

My son saw a ped urologist for a non-foreskin related surgery a few years back. I was freaked they would circ him during the surgery. When I spoke with the MD about my fears he came out and told me he will not circ a child unless there is a medical reason. I forget the medical organization name for ped urology but he told me that they do not recommend routine circ.

So the trend is going towards non-circ and it's been going this way for several years now.

That is not necessarily true anymore. There have been several articles recently that have stated there are some benefits to circ. as well as some benefits to not doing it. My own pediatrician as well as several others have said it is fine and some will even recommend it. In our area there was a trend where people were not doing it but it seems that more people are again.

It is a personal family decision. I think the parents posting on this thread are pretty comfortable with the decisions they have made regarding that.

 

[4littlemonkeys]

That is not necessarily true anymore. There have been several articles recently that have stated there are some benefits to circ. as well as some benefits to not doing it. My own pediatrician as well as several others have said it is fine and some will even recommend it. In our area there was a trend where people were not doing it but it seems that more people are again.

It is a personal family decision. I think the parents posting on this thread are pretty comfortable with the decisions they have made regarding that.

The current statistics still show a 50/50 trend still leaning towards a movement of not circ. There are some studies suggesting possible benefits of circ'ing however the thought around them is their reality. There are studies showing a reduction in STD, particularly AIDS. There are also studies that have been around for a while suggesting a decrease in UTI for boys who are circ'd. The rate of UTI is already low to begin with which is one of the reasons this study isn't a huge find.

I'm not talking about local pediatricians and what Dr. Joe around the corner said. That can be very much based on the opinion of that doctor. Many doctor's recommend things that they personally think are a good idea but may not be supported by the national organization for that speciality.

The AAP has changed it's stance on circ. The rate has moved to 50/50 with it continuing to move. Those are facts.

The person asked a question about the US. I answered THAT question. There are areas where the circ rate is extremely high. You may find an area where 90% are cric'd but then you will find another area where it's 90% not circ'd. You can't look locally but nationally in order to speak about the rate in the US.

If you are comfortable with your decision so be it...whether you did it or not.

 

[chobie]

I don't understand, you're either paying for your kids' education or their paying on their own. What an incredibly irresponsible mindset you have to think that they should pay for their own college and you should leave nothing. That's a legacy you can leave and really be proud of- children trying to get loans for college, and being strapped with thousands of dollars of debt if/when they graduate. Perhaps when they 'get a nice job' they can afford a new home and start a family and NOT have to worry about paying off thousands of dollars in college loan debt. Teaching children responsibility should come 'at some point', and that point should be long before college.
I don't understand why you are on a NON-AP thread, bashing what the posters on THIS thread have to say. YOU are on a thread about something you don't believe in, causing trouble here. This post has gone on for almost a week w/ little to no controversy until you decided to subscribe to the thread and bash the women on here for their beliefs in breastfeeding. And your condescending tone to JODIFLA about her battle w/ breastfeeding is completely uncalled-for and unappreciated.
I see that you have just started on the DIS boards. Perhaps it would suit you better if you got on the AP thread and discussed your views there.

So, it's not okay for her to bash women who don't breastfeed, but it IS okay for you to bash her for expecting her children to pay their own way through college?

 

[mrsltg]

I can't believe how this thread has degenerated. Who cares how other people parent their children? If you need advice on something you're doing, speak to others who have done the same before you. I look at these AP/non-AP threads as places where people with different views can get together and chat. Why would anyone not interested in the other "method" read the other thread? Who cares?

I will admit to one bias, however. The term "wearing" your baby is just ridiculous. It's a person, not an accessory. I wear shoes - not babies. Babies, I carry.

 

[chobie]

I can't believe how this thread has degenerated. Who cares how other people parent their children? If you need advice on something you're doing, speak to others who have done the same before you. I look at these AP/non-AP threads as places where people with different views can get together and chat. Why would anyone not interested in the other "method" read the other thread? Who cares?

I will admit to one bias, however. The term "wearing" your baby is just ridiculous. It's a person, not an accessory. I wear shoes - not babies. Babies, I carry.

Umm, for one thing it's a public board so we can read and post on whatever we want. For another thing, some of us are interested and open to other methods of child raising and do not want to limit ourselves to one particular mindset even if we tend to be more in one camp of parenting than another.

That being said, what brought AP parents to post here was that from the very first page people were comparing their parenting to AP and saying things like AP parents think their so much better etc. Then certain AP practices were attacked and some Apers came on to address it.

Why do you care if other people care about other methods of child raising.

 

[4littlemonkeys]

I don't understand, you're either paying for your kids' education or their paying on their own. What an incredibly irresponsible mindset you have to think that they should pay for their own college and you should leave nothing. That's a legacy you can leave and really be proud of- children trying to get loans for college, and being strapped with thousands of dollars of debt if/when they graduate. Perhaps when they 'get a nice job' they can afford a new home and start a family and NOT have to worry about paying off thousands of dollars in college loan debt. Teaching children responsibility should come 'at some point', and that point should be long before college.
I don't understand why you are on a NON-AP thread, bashing what the posters on THIS thread have to say. YOU are on a thread about something you don't believe in, causing trouble here. This post has gone on for almost a week w/ little to no controversy until you decided to subscribe to the thread and bash the women on here for their beliefs in breastfeeding. And your condescending tone to JODIFLA about her battle w/ breastfeeding is completely uncalled-for and unappreciated.
I see that you have just started on the DIS boards. Perhaps it would suit you better if you got on the AP thread and discussed your views there.

You are reading into things. I never said I was paying for their college. I just simply said breastfeeding was taking away from doing things to help pay for their college. So if I wasn't breastfeeding...college wasn't being paid for either!

My children will be expected to try and get every scholarship and loan they can. This will pay for the bulk of college at that moment in time. Whatever is left will be paid for by me. Once they graduate they will now have an incentive go get a job and pay their bill. The goal is for them to NEED a good paying job and not waitress like so many college graduates I know.

They will learn responsibility throughout life but college will be their final lesson that pushes them into the reality of life.

Guess what! I have a nice house, nice car, nice yard and all that fun stuff yet my husband and I did it all by ourselves. My parents have paid $0 for my education and same thing goes for my husband's parents. So paying your own education doesn't create financial ruin.

I am trying not to bash what they say but I am not finding a reason for them to bash those who AP. I would never in a million years suggest that mothers who do not AP feel they are superior. That's rude. It was said here against those who do AP. That's rude.

Oh and I wasn't condescending about breastfeeding. She said there were marginal benefits which is not true. Pure science has shown otherwise. I have met many a mom who lost the breastfeeding battle and it's easier for them to write off the benefits then to admit that it didn't work for them and they had to go to second best. Her not winning doesn't make breastfeeding benefits marginal. I told her I was sorry she couldn't do it. I told her she should be given credit for trying as many don't even go that far. I told her it wasn't easy to do and most people didn't have somebody there to hold their hand and help them. How is that condescending? Maybe you should read things will less anger? There was no tone. Calm down.

And yes I'm new on these boards. I came to ask a question about a stroller and somehow managed to click on this thread. I'm not sure why but I do know that when I see people slinging things around about how people who are similar to me believe they are superior I feel that is uncalled for and unappreciated.

Respect goes both ways. You can't sit on any thread that is public and talk about how somebody thinks they are superior and expect them to sit back and be happy with it when it's clearly mud slinging.

You parent as you want. I parent as I want. Let me know when you feel like having me bash your style and your person for doing it that way. I'm sure I could come up with a few things. Do you not believe your way is superior? Hmmm...if your way is right certainly you believe you are superior....correct? Or maybe it's your way and AP is somebody else's way and determining if another person walks around feeling superior is really unfair.

 

[mom2aredhead]

My post here was AGES ago, and I've just read through what's been going on here. Seriously ladies - Enough Already! Throw in the whole SAHM/WOHM thing, and you guys are having almost every cliche "Mommy Wars" arguement that there is.
My thought (and then I think I'm done here) Being passionate about your choices is fine, but You don't need to justify the choices you make by putting down choices that other people make. Both sides (AP and non-AP) are guilty of doing this. It's hard enough being a parent without feeling like you need to defend your decisions as to how to feed, bathe, or rest your child, regardless of how you do it. (I still can't believe the whole college finance thing even came up - what that has to do with AP style parenting escapes me completely).
It's like Mean Girls, but all grown up and gone wild.

 

[Beccabunny]

I have met many a mom who lost the breastfeeding battle and it's easier for them to write off the benefits then to admit that it didn't work for them and they had to go to second best. Her not winning doesn't make breastfeeding benefits marginal.

So breastfeeding is a battle that you win or lose? Umm, I don't think so....

This is wear I stand on all of this. DS23 was adopted when he was three, so he was circumcised already and I would've done it anyway if I had him as an infant. He had all his vacs and was fine; nobody was talking about autism then. Despite a really rough beginning (birthmom was abusive) he has grown into an amazing young adult, just graduated from college, is caring, empathetic, very involved in volunteer work. Kids are really resilient!

DD7 is my biological child. Having never parented an infant, I had to follow my instincts. It's still trial and error. I didn't know much about AP when she was born. I didn't see too many people using slings seven years ago, but I carried her in a Baby Bjorn until I realized how much she hated it. It killed my back too. She had all her immunizations. I'm not totally against them, but if I could do it over I would do things differently. There is no need for the aggressive schedule inflicted on babies. She did not need a hepatitis B shot when she was one day old. Some of the shots could definitely be delayed. She has autism. Was it caused by the vacs? I don't know, and NOBODY ELSE KNOWS EITHER. So unless you're a researcher who has found the definitive cause or causes of autsim, don't state as a fact that it's not caused by vacs.

We had no intention of co-sleeping, but one time that first week at home she just couldn't stop crying, so we took her in our bed, and we could not sleep for fear of rolling onto her. That defeated our purpose, which was for everyone to get some sleep. She slept in her crib pulled right up against our bed, so close I could reach into the crib and hold her little hand. That's kind of like co-sleeping to me. When she was six months old we started putting her down for naps in a crib in her own room, which suited her just fine. As she got older and we weren't afraid of rolling over on her we tried to have her sleep with us when she was sick, but she was attached to her own bed then. Now, at age seven I wish I could get her back in her own bed. She has severe anxiety and has discovered she likes being with us at night after all.

While I was pregnant I had every intention of breastfeeding. I took the classes, read all the books, and thought it would be simple. My friends were supportive, my family didn't care either way, but my in-laws were horrified. I can't blame them. That's the way they were raised. I'm not going to call them stupid or ignorant. I remember my sister-in-law saying she hoped I wouldn't "whip it out" at Thanksgiving dinner. I just laughed. When DD was born there were difficulties right from the beginning. She just couldn't maintain a latch. I had lactation consultants come in several times a day at the hospital. I was doing everything right, but it wasn't working. I had had a C-section but left the hospital a day early so that I could really work on nursing at home, finding it so difficult in the hospital where she was always being taken to the nursery for something. It went downhill from there. She was already losing too much weight, and the pediatrician wanted to see her just two days later to check her weight. By then she had already lost more than 10% of her birth weight, and the pediatrician said I needed to supplement. She was so weak, it took her a whole day just to get a few sips from a bottle. I continued to pump, intending to give her mostly breastmilk, and I still tried to get her to latch on. Didn't work. I could never get more than an ounce at a time when I pumped. I was eating right and drinking plenty of liquids, but there just wasn't enough milk. I got mastitis, and that was it for me. I am a stubborn person who just hates to give up on anything, and I would've nursed right through mastitis if there had been enough milk to make it worthwhile. I felt regret that it didn't work, but not guilt. My daughter was thriving on formula and I was ready to move on. I wasn't ready for the onslaught of crap thrown my way by the breastfeeding Nazis, from the not-so-subtle hints to the obvious critical remarks about not trying hard enough or long enough. Umm, my daughter was starving to death. If I had tried any longer I would've had a dead baby. The little remarks made by my in-laws during my pregnancy were NOTHING compared to what I endured from the breastfeeding fanatics. Most of this was coming from so-called friends. But even total strangers made rude remarks. While I was waiting to get tires put on my car a middle-aged man yelled at me for giving DD a bottle when breastfeeding was better. I was too shocked to respond. And it didn't end there. When my daughter was diagnosed with autism a couple of years later, a "friend" hinted that she probably wouldn't have autism if I had continued to breastfeed. Needless to say we're not friends anymore.

Despite my experience, I still think breastfeeding is wonderful, and if I had had any more children I would've tried again. But I will NEVER judge anyone for their choice. I believe there are real benefits to breastfeeding, but like another poster said, formula isn't battery acid. I have absolutely no problem with extended breastfeeding. The only thing I do have a problem with is the bashing of people's personal choices. I see it coming form both sides, but in my own experience it's coming more from people like the one quoted above, who make others who share her beliefs look really bad.

 

[chobie]

Right, Beccabunny, and referring to women who think that BF as best are Nazis is not judgemental? The Nazis killed millions of innocent people because of their religion and that is the same as a woman promoting breastfeeding a baby?


Yes, you having mastitis and dealing with women who think you should try harder is akin to what the Jews went through at the hand of Nazis.

Yeah, you're not judgmental at all.

 

[4littlemonkeys]

So breastfeeding is a battle that you win or lose? Umm, I don't think so....

While I was pregnant I had every intention of breastfeeding. I took the classes, read all the books, and thought it would be simple. My friends were supportive, my family didn't care either way, but my in-laws were horrified. I can't blame them. That's the way they were raised. I'm not going to call them stupid or ignorant. I remember my sister-in-law saying she hoped I wouldn't "whip it out" at Thanksgiving dinner. I just laughed. When DD was born there were difficulties right from the beginning. She just couldn't maintain a latch. I had lactation consultants come in several times a day at the hospital. I was doing everything right, but it wasn't working. I had had a C-section but left the hospital a day early so that I could really work on nursing at home, finding it so difficult in the hospital where she was always being taken to the nursery for something. It went downhill from there. She was already losing too much weight, and the pediatrician wanted to see her just two days later to check her weight. By then she had already lost more than 10% of her birth weight, and the pediatrician said I needed to supplement. She was so weak, it took her a whole day just to get a few sips from a bottle. I continued to pump, intending to give her mostly breastmilk, and I still tried to get her to latch on. Didn't work. I could never get more than an ounce at a time when I pumped. I was eating right and drinking plenty of liquids, but there just wasn't enough milk. I got mastitis, and that was it for me. I am a stubborn person who just hates to give up on anything, and I would've nursed right through mastitis if there had been enough milk to make it worthwhile. I felt regret that it didn't work, but not guilt. My daughter was thriving on formula and I was ready to move on. I wasn't ready for the onslaught of crap thrown my way by the breastfeeding Nazis, from the not-so-subtle hints to the obvious critical remarks about not trying hard enough or long enough. Umm, my daughter was starving to death. If I had tried any longer I would've had a dead baby. The little remarks made by my in-laws during my pregnancy were NOTHING compared to what I endured from the breastfeeding fanatics. Most of this was coming from so-called friends. But even total strangers made rude remarks. While I was waiting to get tires put on my car a middle-aged man yelled at me for giving DD a bottle when breastfeeding was better. I was too shocked to respond. And it didn't end there. When my daughter was diagnosed with autism a couple of years later, a "friend" hinted that she probably wouldn't have autism if I had continued to breastfeed. Needless to say we're not friends anymore.

I think you took my words wrong. What you went through is exactly why I call it a battle. It's not easy, it can be massive amount of work, time, effort, skill, heartache, pain and more. For some people it's a battle. It doesn't come easily. Their body doesn't work as they want it and some people just need more support, education, teaching or a body that will cooperate. It is a battle.

When I say win or loose it's about those who are able to defeat the obstacles as winning the battle and those who cannot as loosing. I'm not talking loosing in a bad way. It's simply that for some it's just not going to work no matter how much they battle and they need to be given credit for their efforts. It's not about them being a looser. It's about something that you sometimes have to fight for and in the end it doesn't work. It's like the cancer battle...except I would rather battle breastfeeding then cancer. You don't see anyone throwing a fit when somebody says that "she lost the battle to cancer".

Also by saying that breastfeeding's benefits are not marginal is not equal to saying formula is battery acid.

 

[Beccabunny]

Right, Beccabunny, and referring to women who think that BF as best are Nazis is not judgemental? The Nazis killed millions of innocent people because of their religion and that is the same as a woman promoting breastfeeding a baby?

Yes, you having mastitis and dealing with women who think you should try harder is akin to what the Jews went through at the hand of Nazis.

Yeah, you're not judgmental at all.

And what would your response be if I had not used the word Nazi? With your reference to me "not trying hard enough" I'm obviously not "AP" enough for you. You just proved my point. You're the judgmental one. And obviously not able to read. Was my post really about mastitis??

 

[chobie]

And what would your response be if I had not used the word Nazi? With your reference to me "not trying hard enough" I'm obviously not "AP" enough for you. You just proved my point. You're the judgmental one. And obviously not able to read. Was my post really about mastitis??

Wrong poster Bunny. I did not make the comment to you. What I said was that comparing women saying that to you with mass murderers is judgmental, but hyperbolic might have been a better choice.


So, no I did not make your point and you are the one not able to read if you can't figure that I never made that comment to you.


And bottle feeding moms are not the only ones who had to put up with nasty comments from people who think they know better how to raise a child. No mother has even been asked to leave a public place for bottle feeding have they? You know how many times I had people ask me with a look of disgust on their face "are you still doing that?" when my baby passed that 6 week mark and I was still doing that shameful act of breastfeeding?

Go check out the thread on here about the woman wanting her kid out of her bed if you want to see judgmental comments about child raising choices.

And about not being Ap enough, I vaccinated, used disposable diapers and public schooled so I'm in no position to cast the first stone. So even though I am only half crunchy, so to speak, no one on the Ap thread has referred to anyone as Nazis so I'll leave to your name-calling and go back to that thread.

 

[Juliet25]

That being said, what brought AP parents to post here was that from the very first page people were comparing their parenting to AP and saying things like AP parents think their so much better etc. Then certain AP practices were attacked and some Apers came on to address it.

Exactly. This whole thread is extremely negative. It's fine to not be AP. Each child and mother is unique, and AP doesn't appeal to everyone. What I don't understand is the constant bashing of those who consider themselves AP. If you look over the AP thread, you'll find a bunch of moms chatting -- not ridiculing other moms like in this thread.

I don't quite understand the point of starting a thread devoted to NOT following a certain philosophy, especially one full of misinformation and mean-spiritedness.

Flame away -- it's obvious some of you are quite good at it.

 

[Juliet25]

You don't need to justify the choices you make by putting down choices that other people make. Both sides (AP and non-AP) are guilty of doing this.

Yay, someone finally cut through the BS.

 

[Beccabunny]

Wrong poster Bunny. I did not make the comment to you. What I said was that comparing women saying that to you with mass murderers is judgmental, but hyperbolic might have been a better choice.


So, no I did not make your point and you are the one not able to read if you can't figure that I never made that comment to you.


And bottle feeding moms are not the only ones who had to put up with nasty comments from people who think they know better how to raise a child. No mother has even been asked to leave a public place for bottle feeding have they? You know how many times I had people ask me with a look of disgust on their face "are you still doing that?" when my baby passed that 6 week mark and I was still doing that shameful act of breastfeeding?

Go check out the thread on here about the woman wanting her kid out of her bed if you want to see judgmental comments about child raising choices.

And about not being Ap enough, I vaccinated, used disposable diapers and public schooled so I'm in no position to cast the first stone.

Done editing yet? Yes, you did make the comment to me. And you proved my point about the kind of people who are being judgemental just as another poster was doing. I don't know why you feel the need to attack me. I actually believe in breastfeeding. I think I was quite clear about that. I stated the bashing was coming from both sides. I can totally understand how a nursing mother would feel when others look disgusted at the sight of a nursing infant. Or toddler for that matter. I have never been anything but supportive of breastfeeding. It's only the superior attitude of the fanatics that irks me. And anyone who would decide they know better than I about how hard I tried to breastfeed is a fanatic.

 

[chobie]

Done editing yet? Yes, you did make the comment to me. And you proved my point about the kind of people who are being judgemental just as another poster was doing. I don't know why you feel the need to attack me. I actually believe in breastfeeding. I think I was quite clear about that. I stated the bashing was coming from both sides. I can totally understand how a nursing mother would feel when others look disgusted at the sight of a nursing infant. Or toddler for that matter. I have never been anything but supportive of breastfeeding. It's only the superior attitude of the fanatics that irks me. And anyone who would decide they know better than I about how hard I tried to breastfeed is a fanatic.[/QUOTE


No, but rather then go back and edit some more, I'll just address this. I'm not attacking you. You said both sides bash, but it comes more from the Ap types in your experience. And you referred to those bashers as Nazis, but did not make any such comparison to the other bashers.

But your dig about my editing does do a nice job of showing how much you are above attacking others.


Show me any comment on the AP thread that calls non AP parents anything close to a Nazi and I will humbly apologize to you.

 

[Beccabunny]

.[/QUOTE ]No, but rather then go back and edit some more, I'll just address this. I'm not attacking you. You said both sides bash, but it comes more from the Ap types in your experience. And you referred to those bashers as Nazis, but did not make any such comparison to the other bashers.

But your dig about my editing does do a nice job of showing how much you are above attacking others.


Show me any comment on the AP thread that calls non AP parents anything close to a Nazi and I will humbly apologize to you. [/QUOTE]

The other "bashers" in my own personal experience (my in-laws and such) I found annoying, but in my opinion were not "Fanatical" and therefore did not warrant the term Nazi. Is this a political correctness forum? I thought we were discussing AP. But you really can't reasonably argue with anything I said about breastfeeding, so you have to latch onto a word you don't like, and yes, you are attacking me. I think you should re-direct your energies elsewhere.