Any Dr's out there know about Asthma steroids and growth

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SO I was poking around the internet looking to see studies done on the effects of inhaled steroids and growth in male children.

My DS12 has been a hard to control Asthmatic for a very long time. This year has been his best year ever. We did start him on Allegra 2X's a day which seems to be causing a marked improvement. In addition, since Feb he has been getting nebulizer treatments with 2 doses Pulmicort and 2 of Duoneb a day. Not totally new, but the Duoneb is new and my commitment to nebulizer only is new. Because the changes have been two-fold it's hard to say which is exerting the greater benefit. ONLY thinking about the Asthma I would leave things as is, but, there are other things involved here. My DS12 is full on in puberty so I have begun to worry that there is a chance that this could effect him developmentally in ways that will hurt him throughout his lifetime.

I'm not saying I would pull him off of anything however, if there is a strong chance of negative consequences I think I would push for the Dr to re-evaluate possibly reducing some of the steroids to see if the Allegra might be single handedly making the difference. What if there are other meds that can do the job with less likelihood of negative consequences?

But here is the trouble, I am having trouble seeing these studies. I found one from the New England Journal of Medicine from 10/2000 but I can't get in to read the whole thing. Are there any Dr's out there who could copy and paste it & PM it to me? Are there any other studies I might want to read regarding the doses necessary to have negative consequences? I mean, it could be that my DS's dose is so low since it is inhaled that it may be of no consequence.

I do know that the oral Prednisone was much worse for him so I am thankful he hasn't needed that in over a year... but I'm still worried that maybe I should still be worried. Does that make sense?

Don't get me wrong, I do not in any way plan on treating my DS by myself. We have a Dr's appt with his Pulmonologist at the end of the month and I am just not sure the best way to advocate for my son. I just think reading current data on this topic would help me help my DS get the best treatment available. When I say studies I mean legitimate studies. I'm not against medicine, or the field and if it turns out we are doing the best we can do the way things are then so be it... I just need to be aware of ALL the potential consequences of all our options before staying the course KWIM. My poor kid has to live with the consequences of my choices and that is not something I take lightly.

Thanks to anyone who can help me
 
I have a child that takes Pulmicort and have asked the Dr some of these same questions.

Make up a list of questions and concerns that you may have and ask the Dr at your next visit.
Although some of us may have the answers to some of your concerns-we are not doctors and your sons asthma could be very different from anyone elses case. Your sons Dr will be the best opinion.
 
I'm not a doctor, but DD is on Pulmicort as well. She also takes Zyrtec 2X a day. We never had much luck with Allegra. She is only 3, so we're in a little different place than you are, but I shared a lot of the same concerns that you mentioned in your post.

I can tell you that my doctor told me that she would have to be on the Pulmicort consistently for well over a year (maybe more like 5 years...I can't remember the exact time frame now but it was a long time) to be equivalent to a single course of the Prednisone treatment if she were to have a flare up. My doc also told me that in studies of siblings where one was taking Pulmicort and one wasn't, the height differential was only about 1 cm, and that was over the course of multiple years.

It helped to put my mind at east about the Pulmicort, and I have to say, it really has helped DD. This is the first allergy season that we haven't had major complications!

Definitely talk to your doctor about it when you go. He/she should be able to help you put things in perspective.
 
Not a dr but a mom with kids with asthma. DS17 started out with treatment for allergies in kindergarten, we tried EVERYTHING and nothing seemed to work. In 2nd grade the allergy dr finally tested him for asthma-wasn't really exhibiting symptoms but since the allergy meds were not helping, why not. Turns out he had moderate to severe asthma. She put him on Advair at that time. Well, in 4th grade we noticed he was wearing the same clothes we bought in 2nd grade and at his spring asthma check up the dr noticed NO growth in 2 years. She referred us on to an endocrinologist and he went through the whole growth hormone testing and he was at the very low end of normal so no treatment. In about 6th grade DS stopped taking Advair and didn't have any negative consequences--his asthma was under control though. He grew some after that but not all that much, ended up starting 9th grade as the smallest kid in the school. He started to grow again and his asthma flared up so the dr put him back on Advair. He took it for a couple months and hasn't taken it since.

It is not conclusive if Advair delayed his growth or not and no real way of telling if it did or not. DH graduated from high school at 5'4" and came home after his freshman year in high school at 6'0". Time will tell if DS has sustained anything "permanent" from this or not. The growth hormone testing concluded he should be between 5'11"-6'1". He is not about 5'7" tall.

On the flip side, his brother was on the same med and is 5'9" tall at 15 years old. :confused3. DD was also on that med and is 5'6". All the kids are still growing so who knows.

For DS17, if you look up constitutional growth delay that fits him to a T so is that why his is still short or not :confused3.
 

The NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL of MEDICINE = Oct. 12, 2000

Effect of Long-Term Treatment with Inhaled Budesonide on Adult Height in Children with Asthma

Lone Agertoft, M.D., and Søren Pedersen, M.D., Dr.Med

Editorial
by Wohl, M. E. B.


ABSTRACT

Background Short-term studies have shown that inhaled corticosteroids may reduce the growth of children with asthma. However, the effect of long-term treatment on adult height is uncertain.

Methods We conducted a prospective study in children with asthma to examine the effect of long-term treatment with inhaled budesonide on adult height. We report on 211 children who have attained adult height: 142 budesonide-treated children with asthma, 18 control patients with asthma who have never received inhaled corticosteroids, and 51 healthy siblings of patients in the budesonide group, who also served as controls.

Results The children in the budesonide group attained adult height after a mean of 9.2 years of budesonide treatment (range, 3 to 13) at a mean daily dose of 412 µg (range, 110 to 877). The mean cumulative dose of budesonide was 1.35 g (range, 0.41 to 3.99). The mean differences between the measured and target adult heights were +0.3 cm (95 percent confidence interval, –0.6 to +1.2) for the budesonide-treated children, –0.2 cm (95 percent confidence interval, –2.4 to +2.1) for the control children with asthma, and +0.9 cm (95 percent confidence interval, –0.4 to +2.2) for the healthy siblings. The adult height depended significantly (P<0.001) on the child's height before budesonide treatment. Although growth rates were significantly reduced during the first years of budesonide treatment, these changes in growth rate were not significantly associated with adult height.

Conclusions Children with asthma who have received long-term treatment with budesonide attain normal adult height.



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Because they are effective, inhaled corticosteroids are widely used to treat children with asthma.1,2,3 However, many physicians are concerned about the potential adverse effects of long-term corticosteroid treatment, particularly effects on growth.
In many trials assessing growth during therapy with inhaled corticosteroids, follow-up observations have been conducted for one year or less. Although such studies may provide useful information, their relevance to actual practice is uncertain.4 Several studies have reported poor correlations between corticosteroid-induced short-term changes in the growth rate of the lower leg and total body growth during the subsequent year.5,6,7,8,9,10 Furthermore, the correlation between consecutive annual measurements of statural height velocity in normal prepubertal children is poor, with only partial correlation between values at one, two, three, and four years.8 Height velocity computed over periods of three and four years during childhood explains only 34 percent and 38 percent, respectively, of the variation in adult height.8

Since 1986, we have been conducting a prospective study of children with persistent asthma to assess total body growth, weight gain, lung function, and hospitalization for asthma exacerbations.2,11,12 We report here the 10-year growth data for the children who have reached adult height. We also report how growth rate and changes in growth rate relate to adult height.

Methods

Study Design

Children with asthma were recruited for a prospective, long-term study.2,11,12 We excluded those with other chronic diseases or with a gestational age of less than 32 weeks. All children visited the clinic at six-month intervals for one to two years (the run-in period). During this period, asthma medication was adjusted according to the Danish pediatric-asthma guidelines in use at the time.13 Three hundred thirty-two children whose asthma was considered to be acceptably controlled without the continuous use of inhaled corticosteroids were then asked to change to treatment with the inhaled corticosteroid budesonide, because several studies had indicated that inhaled corticosteroids should be used more frequently.14,15 The proposed change in therapy was accepted by the families of 270 children (the budesonide group). The families of 62 children declined to change therapy because of concern about side effects or satisfaction with their current therapy. These children (the controls) continued to take the medication they had used during the run-in period. Control patients were able to change to inhaled budesonide if they chose to at a later time. The study was approved by the ethics committee of Vejle and Fyns counties, and oral informed consent was obtained from all families.

At each six-month visit, we recorded the number of hospital admissions for acute asthma, age, height (mean of three measurements with a Harpenden stadiometer), weight, lung function (as assessed with a bellows spirometer), the dose and frequency of administration of all prescribed drugs, the dose of inhaled budesonide, and the inhalation device used. Changes in medication, if any, were based on a combination of history, lung function, use of a ß2-agonist for rescue therapy, and diary recordings. During the first six years of the study, fixed clinical criteria were used to initiate changes in medication.2 After this time, the criteria were more flexible.

Throughout the study, the patients were seen by the same two physicians, and all measurements of weight, height (including the heights of siblings and parents), and lung function were performed by the same three nurses. Between scheduled visits, all changes in asthma medication were made under the supervision of the clinic personnel and were recorded. Any asthma medication required to control the disease was allowed. Data for children who received prednisolone for more than an average of two weeks per year were excluded from the analysis of adult height. Compliance with asthma medication was checked at each visit by direct questioning and by recording the frequency of renewal of prescriptions.

The data analyzed here were collected from January 1986 through August 1999. The status of the 332 originally enrolled patients at the end of this period is shown in Figure 1. Among those who had reached adult height and for whom information on parental height was available, there remained 142 subjects in the budesonide group and 18 in the control group. The mean age at the diagnosis of asthma was 3.4 years (range, 1 to 10) in the budesonide group and 4.3 years (range, 1 to 9) in the control group. Because data on adult height in children who were not using inhaled corticosteroids were limited because of the small number of children remaining in the control group, the healthy siblings of the children in the budesonide group were recruited for measurement of adult height. There were 149 siblings, of whom 105 had reached adult height. Of these, 38 had received treatment with inhaled corticosteroids and 16 refused to participate, leaving 51 healthy siblings for analysis (Table 1).


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Figure 1. Status of the 332 Children Included in the Study as of August 1999.
Only 20 of the 97 children who were excluded from the analysis because they had not yet reached adult height were 15 years of age or older.




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Table 1. Characteristics of the Study Subjects.



Statistical Analysis

Data were transformed into standard-deviation scores as described by Tanner et al.,16 according to the following formula: (measured height – mean height for age) ÷ standard deviation of height for age. The measured adult height was the height measured when the height of a child over 15 years of age had increased by less than 0.5 cm for two consecutive years.

The target adult height was calculated as described by Luo et al.,17,18 with the addition of 0.7 cm to the height for boys and 1.0 cm to the height for girls because of trends over time, as 45.99 + 0.78x + 0.7 cm for boys and 37.85 + 0.75x + 1.0 cm for girls, where x is the father's height and the mother's height summed and divided by 2.

The primary outcome was the measured adult height in relation to the target adult height. The difference between the measured and the target height was analyzed by the paired-samples t-test. The assumption of normality was examined by probability plot and accepted.19

We assessed the following secondary outcomes: whether the difference between the measured height and the target adult height depended on the mean daily budesonide dose, the total cumulative budesonide dose, the duration of treatment, the duration of asthma at the beginning of treatment or at the time of attainment of adult height, the use or nonuse of intranasal corticosteroids, the growth rate, the standard-deviation score for height or the forced expiratory volume in one second (FEV1) before budesonide treatment, and the growth rate and the changes in the growth rate or standard-deviation score for height during the first year of budesonide treatment. The tests were performed by analysis of variance and covariance. All tests were performed for the whole group of children and for girls and boys separately. All reported P values are two-tailed.19

Results

The budesonide-treated children reached their target adult height (Figure 2) to the same extent as their healthy siblings and the children in the control group (Table 2). There was no reason to suspect that the 20 children who were older than 14 years of age and who had not yet reached their adult height would attain an adult height markedly less than their target adult height. In all groups, more than 95 percent of the children attained an adult height that was within 9 cm above or below their target adult height.


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Figure 2. Measured Adult Height in Relation to Target Adult Height in 142 Children Treated with Inhaled Budesonide for 3 to 13 Years.
Diamonds represent girls, and squares boys.




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Table 2. Measured and Target Adult Heights.



The mean cumulative dose of budesonide at the time of attainment of adult height was 1.35 g (range, 0.41 to 3.99). The mean duration of budesonide treatment at this time was 9.2 years (range, 3 to 13), yielding a mean average daily budesonide dose of 412 µg (range, 110 to 877). Twenty children in the budesonide group who were more than 15 years old had not yet reached their adult height. Their mean cumulative dose of budesonide (1.25 g; range, 0.40 to 3.12) was not significantly different from that of the children who had attained their adult height (P=0.72). There was no significant correlation between the duration of treatment (P=0.16) or the cumulative dose of budesonide (P=0.14) and the difference between the measured and target adult heights (Figure 3).


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Figure 3. Differences between the Measured Adult Height and the Target Adult Height as a Function of the Duration of Budesonide Treatment (Panel A) and Cumulative Prescribed Budesonide Dose (Panel B).
Diamonds represent 56 girls, and squares 86 boys.




The difference between the measured and target adult heights was not significantly associated with the subject's sex (P=0.30), age at the beginning of budesonide treatment (P=0.13), age at which adult height was attained (P=0.82), or duration of asthma before the start of budesonide treatment (P=0.37).

The standard-deviation score for height and the FEV1 as a percentage of the predicted value before the start of budesonide treatment were correlated (P= 0.05), indicating that the severity of asthma influenced growth. Budesonide treatment was associated with a significant change in the growth rate during the first years of treatment, as compared with the run-in period. The mean growth rate was 6.1 cm per year (95 percent confidence interval, 5.7 to 6.5) during the run-in period, 5.1 cm per year (95 percent confidence interval, 4.7 to 5.5; P<0.001) during the first year of treatment, 5.5 cm per year (95 percent confidence interval, 5.1 to 5.9; P=0.02) during the second year, and 5.9 cm per year (95 percent confidence interval, 5.5 to 6.3; P=0.53) during the third year. However, the changes in growth rate during this period were not correlated with the differences between the measured and target adult heights (P= 0.44). The initial growth retardation was significantly correlated with age (P=0.04), with a more pronounced reduction in younger children.

The standard-deviation score for height before budesonide treatment and the difference between the measured and target adult heights were correlated (P<0.001), so that children with a low standard-deviation score for height before treatment had a smaller adult height than expected. There was a trend toward an association between the difference between the measured and target adult heights and the duration of asthma at the time adult height was measured (P=0.07).

Forty children in the budesonide group used intranasal corticosteroids for an average of 24 months (range, 6 to 72). The adult height of these children was similar to that of the children who had never used intranasal corticosteroids (P=0.99). Moreover, the difference between the measured and target adult heights was not associated with the cumulative number of months of use of intranasal corticosteroids (P=0.72).

Compliance with budesonide treatment was calculated according to the following formula: 100 x (number of doses taken ÷ number of doses prescribed). The mean estimated compliance was 68 percent (range, 49 to 90 percent). The difference between the measured and target adult heights was not associated with compliance (P=0.38).

Discussion

We found that children with asthma who had received long-term treatment with inhaled budesonide attained normal adult height. Furthermore, we found no evidence of a dose–response relation between the mean daily dose of budesonide, the cumulative dose of budesonide, or the duration of budesonide treatment and the difference between the measured and target adult heights. Our findings suggest that long-term treatment with inhaled budesonide does not have any clinically important adverse effects on adult height. This corroborates the results of retrospective studies of smaller groups of children treated for shorter periods with inhaled corticosteroids20,21 and a prospective study of 66 children who were followed for 13 years until they reached adult height.22

Normally, 95 percent of the population is expected to attain an adult height within 9 cm above or below their target adult height.18 This was true for the patients in our study, indicating that great individual sensitivity to the systemic effects of inhaled budesonide was uncommon.

Several studies of growth during a period of one year have reported growth retardation of approximately 1.5 cm per year in children treated with 400 µg of inhaled beclomethasone per day, as compared with those receiving placebo.23,24,25,26 These data have led to the inclusion of warnings about growth retardation in the package inserts for inhaled corticosteroids in the United States. Our results show the effects of continuous treatment for 10 years at the same mean corticosteroid dose as in the 1-year studies. The growth rate during the first year of treatment was on average 1 cm less than that during the run-in period. Thus, our results are consistent with those of shorter studies of beclomethasone. The initial reduction in the annual growth rate did not persist, however, and the adult height was not adversely affected. Furthermore, the initial growth retardation in individual children had no relation to differences between the measured and target adult heights. The reason for the absence of a relation is not clear. Others have also found the growth-retarding effect of inhaled corticosteroids to be more marked during the beginning of treatment.26,27,28 Differences in compliance over time did not seem to be the cause.

Another reason for the discrepancy between short-term studies and studies of adult height could be that pubertal children are less sensitive than prepubertal children to the growth-retarding effect of exogenous corticosteroids, as we and others25 have found. Most growth studies have been performed in children six through nine years of age. Finally, exogenous corticosteroids may retard bone maturation to the same extent that they retard growth.29,30,31,32 This possibility is difficult to assess in children with chronic asthma, regardless of whether they use inhaled corticosteroids. Such children often have ******** bone maturation, prepubertal growth retardation, and a delayed onset of puberty.22,33,34,35

A weakness of our study is that there were few children remaining in the control group by the time they reached adult height. Therefore, we measured the adult heights of healthy siblings of budesonide-treated children, whose genetic growth potential and living conditions were very similar to those of the subjects in the study group. Although a randomized, double-blind design would have been ideal, this was not possible in our 15-year study. The demographic similarities among the various groups suggest that they were reasonably comparable.

Generally, asthma in our patients was well controlled once treatment with inhaled budesonide was initiated. This made it difficult to assess how the severity of asthma influenced growth. The correlation between the FEV1 as a percentage of the predicted value and the standard-deviation score for height before budesonide treatment suggests that severe asthma may in itself have a negative effect on growth, as observed in other studies.36,37 It is less clear whether severe asthma also has an adverse effect on adult height. The strong correlation between the standard-deviation score for height before treatment and the adult height suggests that severe asthma may also adversely affect adult height. This is in agreement with findings in other studies.20,34,35 However, many patients in the control group who had more severe disease dropped out of our study. Thus, among those who stayed in the study long enough to have their adult height measured, either the disease was milder or the asthma had gone into remission.



Supported by grants from the Vejle County Hospitals Research Fund.


Source Information

From the Department of Pediatrics, University of Southern Denmark and Kolding Hospital, Kolding, Denmark.
 
Which common name is Budesonide? Is that Advair?

One thing that I always thought about with DS was that without the Advair he was coughing all night long and THAT had to be far worse for his growth then the meds.
 
Thanks for that article Jessica.

Mom of asthmatic son here. I know what you are thinking and feeling.
You are your sons best advocate and I sure had to turn into one for mine too.

I questioned the pediatrician, questioned the allergist (who told me the dose was fine He later reduced it to the lowest possible. This is advair and I read the pamphlet enclosed and there was no research on children etc. He was also taking singulair and allegra and the rescue inhaler.

Our ds 2 was way behind in growth compared to to others etc. We took him to a pediatric endocronologist. She tested hm for everything and sai "he was just a late bloomer". I honestly didnt agree with her, but she kept watching him. The whole time we went to her he also was not having significant growth. She was thinking of giving him a shot of testosterone but ruled that out.

My ds weaned himself from the advair but takes it when he needs it with his inhaler. While I dont approve of this, (he is 20) I do see there is such a difference. She thought he would be about 6 foot 9 and he is the tallest of our ds now. She also said he wouldnt stop growing until about now and she is right on for sure.

Just keep questioning, stay on top of it and do any tests that you need to etc.

Best of luck to your ds.
 
Thanks for that article Jessica.

Mom of asthmatic son here. I know what you are thinking and feeling.
You are your sons best advocate and I sure had to turn into one for mine too.

I questioned the pediatrician, questioned the allergist (who told me the dose was fine He later reduced it to the lowest possible. This is advair and I read the pamphlet enclosed and there was no research on children etc. He was also taking singulair and allegra and the rescue inhaler.

Our ds 2 was way behind in growth compared to to others etc. We took him to a pediatric endocronologist. She tested hm for everything and sai "he was just a late bloomer". I honestly didnt agree with her, but she kept watching him. The whole time we went to her he also was not having significant growth. She was thinking of giving him a shot of testosterone but ruled that out.

My ds weaned himself from the advair but takes it when he needs it with his inhaler. While I dont approve of this, (he is 20) I do see there is such a difference. She thought he would be about 6 foot 9 and he is the tallest of our ds now. She also said he wouldnt stop growing until about now and she is right on for sure.

Just keep questioning, stay on top of it and do any tests that you need to etc.

Best of luck to your ds.

You are worried that he is short at 6'9" or did he grow a lot in the last year and you were worried before that?
 
SO I was poking around the internet looking to see studies done on the effects of inhaled steroids and growth in male children.

My DS12 has been a hard to control Asthmatic for a very long time. This year has been his best year ever. We did start him on Allegra 2X's a day which seems to be causing a marked improvement. In addition, since Feb he has been getting nebulizer treatments with 2 doses Pulmicort and 2 of Duoneb a day. Not totally new, but the Duoneb is new and my commitment to nebulizer only is new. Because the changes have been two-fold it's hard to say which is exerting the greater benefit. ONLY thinking about the Asthma I would leave things as is, but, there are other things involved here. My DS12 is full on in puberty so I have begun to worry that there is a chance that this could effect him developmentally in ways that will hurt him throughout his lifetime.

I'm not saying I would pull him off of anything however, if there is a strong chance of negative consequences I think I would push for the Dr to re-evaluate possibly reducing some of the steroids to see if the Allegra might be single handedly making the difference. What if there are other meds that can do the job with less likelihood of negative consequences?

I do know that the oral Prednisone was much worse for him so I am thankful he hasn't needed that in over a year... but I'm still worried that maybe I should still be worried. Does that make sense?

Thanks to anyone who can help me

Pulmicort (Budesonide) and Advair (Serevent or Salmeterol - long acting beta agonist + Flovent or Fluticosone) - difference is the advair has the beta agonist (long acting form of albuterol).. pulmicort and flovent are the steroids

Nowhere is the inhaled dose close to the po Prednisone dose (i.e. anything > 10mg/day).
My 6 year is an Asthmatic and currently (thankfully on just flovent inhaler) but does go on pulimcort (respule nebulized) if it's bad.. (been on since age 3)
The medical studies like the NEJM one quoted to not really show much difference over time..
.. and better asthma control is much better than worrying about '1 inch'..
(btw, my kid is in >80% for height and weight despite previous pred/inhalers/etc)

It will be fine.. speaking as a parent... and a doctor :)

(If you are worried, you might try Singulair as an addition to try to ween down steroids.. he might, or might not do better on them)... but, I wouldn't worry, at all.


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My son has been on Advair since he was about 7 years old. He's also been on ADHD meds during this time so, a double-whammy. He was projected to be about 5'11" when he was really young. Right now he is 15 years old and just hit 6 feet. Maybe he would have been taller without the meds?:confused3
 
You are worried that he is short at 6'9" or did he grow a lot in the last year and you were worried before that?

No it started when he was about 12-13 and then I got the pediatrician to finally send him to the endocronologist. She tested him for like 14 different things and kept watching his growth and recorded it etc. She told us he would probably stop growing at 19. She gave us the 6 9 estimate. He is not near there but he is no way behind now. So like in the last 2-3 years he has probably grown to where he should have been in all his high school years and now he is a college sophmore etc. Also he was growing huge and not height wise, so they were worried that his bones might not be able to support the weight etc. At like 12-13 they said he was over 15 months behind in growth.
 
No it started when he was about 12-13 and then I got the pediatrician to finally send him to the endocronologist. She tested him for like 14 different things and kept watching his growth and recorded it etc. She told us he would probably stop growing at 19. She gave us the 6 9 estimate. He is not near there but he is no way behind now. So like in the last 2-3 years he has probably grown to where he should have been in all his high school years and now he is a college sophmore etc. Also he was growing huge and not height wise, so they were worried that his bones might not be able to support the weight etc. At like 12-13 they said he was over 15 months behind in growth.

So how tall is he now? DS had the bone age of a 6 year old when he was 9-he was the same height as our twins who are just about 3 years younger.
 
I have a child that takes Pulmicort and have asked the Dr some of these same questions.

Make up a list of questions and concerns that you may have and ask the Dr at your next visit.
Although some of us may have the answers to some of your concerns-we are not doctors and your sons asthma could be very different from anyone elses case. Your sons Dr will be the best opinion.

I do have a list and this is pretty much the only thing on it. Well this and I'm wondering if it can effect fertility or such similar things. In general I am pleased with how he is doing but now that the Asthma is under control I can't help but turn my mind to side effects.



Not a dr but a mom with kids with asthma. DS17 started out with treatment for allergies in kindergarten, we tried EVERYTHING and nothing seemed to work. In 2nd grade the allergy dr finally tested him for asthma-wasn't really exhibiting symptoms but since the allergy meds were not helping, why not. Turns out he had moderate to severe asthma. She put him on Advair at that time. Well, in 4th grade we noticed he was wearing the same clothes we bought in 2nd grade and at his spring asthma check up the dr noticed NO growth in 2 years. She referred us on to an endocrinologist and he went through the whole growth hormone testing and he was at the very low end of normal so no treatment. In about 6th grade DS stopped taking Advair and didn't have any negative consequences--his asthma was under control though. He grew some after that but not all that much, ended up starting 9th grade as the smallest kid in the school. He started to grow again and his asthma flared up so the dr put him back on Advair. He took it for a couple months and hasn't taken it since.

It is not conclusive if Advair delayed his growth or not and no real way of telling if it did or not. DH graduated from high school at 5'4" and came home after his freshman year in high school at 6'0". Time will tell if DS has sustained anything "permanent" from this or not. The growth hormone testing concluded he should be between 5'11"-6'1". He is not about 5'7" tall.

On the flip side, his brother was on the same med and is 5'9" tall at 15 years old. :confused3. DD was also on that med and is 5'6". All the kids are still growing so who knows.

For DS17, if you look up constitutional growth delay that fits him to a T so is that why his is still short or not :confused3.

I kind of think my DS's growth has slowed too. Now it can just be one of those things that happens as kids grow but I would be lying if I didn't wonder if the medicines might have something to do with it. Now, in early 2009 he was on 3 regimens of prednisone. One in Feb and 2 back to back in Spring just before the Allegra when the Pediatricians dose was too low to be therapeutic, but just high enough to do damage. I'm thinking maybe all the steroids last year shocked his system and he might right himself over time... or so I hope.



The NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL of MEDICINE = Oct. 12, 2000

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THank you so much for posting this article, it is exactly the one I wanted to read and was very helpful at putting my mind at ease... as much as it can be:flower3:



Which common name is Budesonide? Is that Advair?

One thing that I always thought about with DS was that without the Advair he was coughing all night long and THAT had to be far worse for his growth then the meds.


The Budesonide is by brand Pulmicort. My DS gets 2 ampules a day written .5mg/2ml delivered via nebulizer. I do not know if there is a inhaler version or other brands.

Reading from my DS12's Advair, this is made up of fluticasone propionate 115 or 230 mcg and salmeterol 21 mcg. I think it also comes in a 45/21 too.

My DD's Flovent is 110mg fluticasone.

Thanks for that article Jessica.

Mom of asthmatic son here. I know what you are thinking and feeling.
You are your sons best advocate and I sure had to turn into one for mine too.

I questioned the pediatrician, questioned the allergist (who told me the dose was fine He later reduced it to the lowest possible. This is advair and I read the pamphlet enclosed and there was no research on children etc. He was also taking singulair and allegra and the rescue inhaler.

Our ds 2 was way behind in growth compared to to others etc. We took him to a pediatric endocronologist. She tested hm for everything and sai "he was just a late bloomer". I honestly didnt agree with her, but she kept watching him. The whole time we went to her he also was not having significant growth. She was thinking of giving him a shot of testosterone but ruled that out.

My ds weaned himself from the advair but takes it when he needs it with his inhaler. While I dont approve of this, (he is 20) I do see there is such a difference. She thought he would be about 6 foot 9 and he is the tallest of our ds now. She also said he wouldnt stop growing until about now and she is right on for sure.

Just keep questioning, stay on top of it and do any tests that you need to etc.

Best of luck to your ds.

Reading the Advair insert is pretty scary. My DS was on it since 10 years old because of a few very serious bouts when he got worse instead of better when the Dr upped him from Flovent to Advair. But now, I can't help but think those bouts - even bouts from more recent dates may have been actually caused by the Advair. Before recently the stuff didn't have counters so it was very hard to keep track of attenuations and EVERY SINGLE ONE of DS's bouts happened along side a canister of Advair running low, add that to all the dire warnings about Advair and it seems an explanation is showing itself IMHO.

I'm thinking about asking the Dr to maybe consider keeping him off of the more dangerous Advair and trying some form of the Pulmicort alone instead since he is doing so much better right now. He hasn't had Advair in about 3 months and as hard as the nebulizer is to maintain (I rinse with a bleach solution the barrel ect after each use to keep it sterile) it has fewer side effects from what I can tell. However, the reason he is doing well could just as easily be the daily double dose of Duoneb, which has also been remarkably effective when he HAS had a flare-up. The Dr gave me Duoneb because the drug in it added to the albuterol is supposed to be very good for the coughing and since being on it DS has not needed his Coedine cough suppressant to sleep it's a good thing.

Each 3ml vial of Duoneb is .5 ipratropium bromide and 3.0mg albuterol sulfate.
 
Pulmicort (Budesonide) and Advair (Serevent or Salmeterol - long acting beta agonist + Flovent or Fluticosone) - difference is the advair has the beta agonist (long acting form of albuterol).. pulmicort and flovent are the steroids

Nowhere is the inhaled dose close to the po Prednisone dose (i.e. anything > 10mg/day).
My 6 year is an Asthmatic and currently (thankfully on just flovent inhaler) but does go on pulimcort (respule nebulized) if it's bad.. (been on since age 3)
The medical studies like the NEJM one quoted to not really show much difference over time..
.. and better asthma control is much better than worrying about '1 inch'..
(btw, my kid is in >80% for height and weight despite previous pred/inhalers/etc)

It will be fine.. speaking as a parent... and a doctor :)

(If you are worried, you might try Singulair as an addition to try to ween down steroids.. he might, or might not do better on them)... but, I wouldn't worry, at all.


-i

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I do know my DS's Asthma control is 100% more important than that extra inch of height. I know breathing is the most important part but to be honest my main worry is actually the 'other' changes that happen during puberty? :blush: I know it's hard to be frank here on the DIS but if you can delicately tell me without too many references if there are concerns in the 'other' department for his development I would be eternally grateful.
 
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I do know my DS's Asthma control is 100% more important than that extra inch of height. I know breathing is the most important part but to be honest my main worry is actually the 'other' changes that happen during puberty? :blush: I know it's hard to be frank here on the DIS but if you can delicately tell me without too many references if there are concerns in the 'other' department for his development I would be eternally grateful.

I never thought of that, probably because I don't have one of those. :lmao:. I do know that DS is no where near done with puberty if I go by how much he has to shave his face. He has some whiskers that could possibly grow into a very scraggly mustache and some whiskers along the sides of his face, extending down from his sideburns and a few on his chin. He is in no way done. As far as that other thing, no idea, I haven't seen that in years.
 
My son has been on Advair since he was about 7 years old. He's also been on ADHD meds during this time so, a double-whammy. He was projected to be about 5'11" when he was really young. Right now he is 15 years old and just hit 6 feet. Maybe he would have been taller without the meds?:confused3

Can I ask if your DS still has ADHD now that he is off the Asthma medicines?
 
I never thought of that, probably because I don't have one of those. :lmao:. I do know that DS is no where near done with puberty if I go by how much he has to shave his face. He has some whiskers that could possibly grow into a very scraggly mustache and some whiskers along the sides of his face, extending down from his sideburns and a few on his chin. He is in no way done. As far as that other thing, no idea, I haven't seen that in years.

Me neither, and I ain't gonna go checking. Both my kids started puberty early, it's what happens in my family so I know stuff is going on but how on earth does one know if things are on track or not, or if medications might be having an effect??? They don't have man Dr's like lady Dr's, at least none who are gonna know anything about his Asthma meds. What on earth do I do? It is a delicate issue isn't it? Not even one my DH would address I bet, but it is still important. I don't want his medicines short circuiting anything.
 
THank you so much for posting this article, it is exactly the one I wanted to read and was very helpful at putting my mind at ease... as much as it can be:flower3:

You are very welcome.:) I have had the very same worries.:hug:
 
Coming into this late but my DS just turned 15 and has been on Pulmicort and Singular for over 2 years for asthma. DS grew 6" during his 14th year and in the past month over 1/2". His voice has recently started changing (6 months or so) and he has arm pit hair and about 6 hairs that need to be shaved on his chin. Not sure about any of the private areas? But when I hear him pee, he now sounds like his dad :rotfl2:
 
Coming into this late but my DS just turned 15 and has been on Pulmicort and Singular for over 2 years for asthma. DS grew 6" during his 14th year and in the past month over 1/2". His voice has recently started changing (6 months or so) and he has arm pit hair and about 6 hairs that need to be shaved on his chin. Not sure about any of the private areas? But when I hear him pee, he now sounds like his dad :rotfl2:

Well there is that too I guess. :lmao:
 


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