Annoying phone call to MS

FredS

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I just got off the phone with Member Services. I had a simple question about one of my pending reservations. The operator's first question was for my member number. I had the reservation in my hand, so I told her that I just had a question about a particular reservation and could give her that number. Well, that would NOT do. I go digging for a DVC card, then realize I am not certain which account was used for this particular reservation. (I have that info maintained, I just didn't have it in hand when I called because it has never been needed before!) Again, I tell her that we have two accounts and I am not sure which one was used and couldn't she simply find this reservation with its number? Deep sigh and she wants my social security number. I give her that (wondering why, since I have NEVER gone through this before) She starts talking about other reservations we have. I tell her NOT THOSE, and give her the date, unit type and the resort for the one in question. She then starts into another reservation for the same resort, but a different day of arrival and unit type (it's for my sister's family, who is joining us). I again repeat the resort, unit and date. She gets even more huffy and puffy, then tells me that it must be under the other account, but my SS# didn't pull it up.

At this point I have invested more time and energy than it was worth, and I begin to worry about all this meddling in the reservations. I mean, I had a very general question which related to one particular reservation. In the midst of going through the repertoire of all reservations I've made she keeps chastising me to have my account number ready in the future. After the umpteenth reprimand I tell her that I can't understand why she could not have simply looked up the reservation number I had, as it would be much easier than what she was doing. Boy, she did NOT like that! She told me that I did not understand, and that it was important that she look at my full account every time I called. WHY? It takes much more time to review every reservation and increases the odds of a mistake being made if multiple reservations are accessed. She FINALLY gets the correct reservation accessed and answers my question. The final annoyance was her absolute insistence to recite my account numbers to me, even though I told her I had the cards with the numbers in my hand at that point!

What was up with this? Do they have the waitresses from Prime Time now working MS phones with some illogical rules or what?
 
Wow, you must have gotten the one in million bad MS people. I almost never have my card and offer my sss #. I have never had any problems or complaints.

Sorry, guess she was just having an off day.
 
The first question they always ask is for your membership number. It might be easier if you have it the next time you call rather than chance going through that again. There is always someone out there trying to beat the system some way or another. They probably ask for your number to protect you and them from any unpleasant situations. The toll free number is for members only. I think it will be easier just to have the member number ready when you call.
 
I'm very glad that Member Services insists being told the DVC membership number before they'll discuss or change the specifics of reservations.

It protects our privacy and security, and it reduces the chance that someone will make unauthorized use of our points.

Also, it means that a renter must make all arrangements and resolve all issues through the member from whom they are renting, rather than burdening Memeber Services with extra calls. (A confirmation letter shows the confirmation number, but not the membership number.)

I'm not making any judgment regarding the MS agent's efficiency or attitude. But the agent did the right thing by not releasing information on the basis of nothing more than a confirmation number.
 

Originally posted by Horace Horsecollar
I'm very glad that Member Services insists being told the DVC membership number before they'll discuss or change the specifics of reservations.

I'm not making any judgment regarding the MS agent's efficiency or attitude. But the agent did the right thing by not releasing information on the basis of nothing more than a confirmation number.

I agree with your points Horace!

ralphd:D :D :D
 
I also agree with Horace.
 
Originally posted by Horace Horsecollar
I'm very glad that Member Services insists being told the DVC membership number before they'll discuss or change the specifics of reservations.

It protects our privacy and security, and it reduces the chance that someone will make unauthorized use of our points.

Also, it means that a renter must make all arrangements and resolve all issues through the member from whom they are renting, rather than burdening Memeber Services with extra calls. (A confirmation letter shows the confirmation number, but not the membership number.)

I'm not making any judgment regarding the MS agent's efficiency or attitude. But the agent did the right thing by not releasing information on the basis of nothing more than a confirmation number.


I don't see how being rude, and unhelpful in any way 'protects us'. I also don't see how someone can break the code, by calling a number that is not known to most, giving a social security number, that is not known by most, and then making a reservation that they will use? If someone can get one's soc, and have member service's number, they can easily get one's membership number.
No doubt this probably has to do with national security.
I had one idiot at AOL customer service who wouldn't accept that I lived in Chicago, I insisted that I had to also tell him what state it was in. Wasn't like I live in "Springfield."
I dont see any way that this person's attitute or action protected anyone. She sounds like she was just being a jerk. I haven't had her, but have had one or two that weren't all that helpful. Sadly, there are more than one in a million there.

J.
 
Add my to the Horace agreement list. I also think ms agents need to be a little more understanding. We as members don't know all the rules, and why. If she would have simply explained why she required it. We are paying the bills, and at least deserve an explanation. Bad days just don't cut it when it comes to customer service. Those jobs are very stressful because they pretty much have to be all things to all people, while maintaining the good graces of management. I know because a similar job put me in the hospital. Anyhow, I think as Horace said it's just good common sence to have our membership #'s handy when calling. If I'm not mistaken the directory states that.
 
Iagree with Horace- except that renters should be permitted to call and verify that a reservation exists. In that case the renter would only have a reservation and not a membership #. It didnt sound like the original poster wanted to change the reservation only ask a question. If no changes are being made why the big controversy?
 
Maybe the MS person was having a bad day....cause I never have my Member number and ALWAYS give my SS# ....I've never gotten a lecture in 5 yrs....
 
Originally posted by Horace Horsecollar
Also, it means that a renter must make all arrangements and resolve all issues through the member from whom they are renting, rather than burdening Memeber Services with extra calls. (A confirmation letter shows the confirmation number, but not the membership number.)



I just rented points about 2 months ago ( I have since become a member;) ) and I called MS to verify the reservation. I actually called a couple times (I rented points 3 times in the last 2 months) and I simply told the CM that I was not a member and I was just calling to verify. All the CM's I spoke to were fine with that.
 
FredS, though I don't agree that a member number shouldn't be required (I believe the recording when you're put on hold even tells you to have your member number ready), if you get a rude person on the other end, you have a number of options:

1. just hang up and call another time. it isn't worth wasting your time dealing with someone who is not trying to help you or get you the information you need in a timely fashion. chances are, if you call at a different time of day, you will get someone else.

2. tell the person you'd like to speak with her/his supervisor. a supervisor is always available - even if they tell you one isn't. if you don't get anywhere, go back to #1.

3. be sure to get names. if you didn't write it down when they first picked up, then explicitly ask "I'm sorry, I didn't catch your name...". go back to #1 and then follow up with email or a written letter to DVC/member services. I guarantee that you will get a reply and some action taken.
 
The system is set up to access by account number or SSN. They should have required you to provide one of the other and should not have proceeded without or or the other and without a match. I keep expecting MS to get in the real world with account security and require name, member #, address and phone number on every call.
 
LOL! Chalk it up to a learning experience. Page 42 of the Member Guide, the very first item on the checklist for making a reservation is: What is my Member Number. In 10 years of dealing with MS, I know that MS will want to know that number before they want to discuss anything else. While it may seem tedious, it really is a bit of protection for all of us.

While I guess it's okay for MS to confirm for a non-member that a reservation has been made, I don't think it is necessary and could be discontinued at any time. They are not a part of the rental process.
 
I agree with Horace, too. As a person with several reservations at one time, and several contracts that may be combined to cover a particular reservations, it's a real pain to have to give MS all the membership numbers in order for her to tell me one thing I needed to know, because she always has to go thru EVERY reservation I have. It's especially troublesome if I just would like to know if I can add a night to my reservation. It seems to me that it would be more efficient if I could just give MS the reservation number.
 
Originally posted by Carlnne
Iagree with Horace- except that renters should be permitted to call and verify that a reservation exists. In that case the renter would only have a reservation and not a membership #. It didnt sound like the original poster wanted to change the reservation only ask a question. If no changes are being made why the big controversy?

Renters can verify reservations with the resorts directly. I know this sounds petty but why should the DVC owners pay for their phone call (using the 800 number). This is also why I think sometimes you are on holding for a while as people who shouldn't be calling are tying up the CM's

JMHO,

Sandy
 
Originally posted by Horace Horsecollar
I'm very glad that Member Services insists being told the DVC membership number before they'll discuss or change the specifics of reservations........
I'm not making any judgment regarding the MS agent's efficiency or attitude. But the agent did the right thing by not releasing information on the basis of nothing more than a confirmation number.

Um, not even close. I did NOT actually PROVIDE my account number. She eventually, after much grumbling and huffing, told ME both account numbers after a far-too-long hassled fumbling through all of my reservations.

And I have never provided my member number previously, NOR my social security number and I will not provide that number again. She caught me off guard with that request. Besides reflecting a complete lack of security maintenance, she was grouchy and inefficient. In my experience that is unusual, fortunately. Not quite sure how anyone can justify her rude behavior. :rolleyes:
 
There are many reasons MS must pull up your account, including checking to be sure that you are current with dues and payments.
If you know that they will ask for your member id ,it is not difficult to have it ready..
Whenever I am going to make a call to MS I right down my member number, confirmation number and question on a piece of paper, then I right down the response, date it and put it in the appropriate trip file.
 
Originally posted by Dean
The system is set up to access by account number or SSN. They should have required you to provide one of the other and should not have proceeded without or or the other and without a match. I keep expecting MS to get in the real world with account security and require name, member #, address and phone number on every call.

I agree if they would make this their policy, period. That would be fine. But I have changed and checked on reservations previously and never given the member number, only the reservation number and once, I believe, my telephone number. The only time I use one of my member numbers is in making reservations. So this time, I call, she demands member number, I calmly say I have the reservation number and she gets extremely snippy. If it was (POLITELY) stated that she needed it for a valid reason, fine, but that was not the case, and I didn't dig out the full info because previously it was not needed by MS. Not only her blowing and chastising over and over, but the fact that it took forever for her to go through all the WRONG reservations took the call to a whole new level of annoying. And, yes, add to that that SHE gave ME my numbers (all the while I am telling her that I now have the cards in my hand) negates any supposed "security" rationale.
 
Originally posted by Debby7
There are many reasons MS must pull up your account, including checking to be sure that you are current with dues and payments.
If you know that they will ask for your member id ,it is not difficult to have it ready..
Whenever I am going to make a call to MS I right down my member number, confirmation number and question on a piece of paper, then I right down the response, date it and put it in the appropriate trip file.

Well, that is special, but I think it is sad if, for example, I am at work, need to check on a reservation but cannot call MS because I don't have my DVC card with me because they either cannot locate my file or will be rude to me. A couple of weeks ago I had that exact situation with a reservation I have for my sister and she called me at my office and needed an answer. I called MS (gasp, without my member number) and they politely and quickly assisted me.
 

















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