And yet another, seems there is always another......

[diser_fam]

Probably a side point here but it always boggles my mind when people hang onto a large quantity of stuff just because they inherited it. Especially something like guns which have a monetary value, take up space and require some level of maintenance to keep in good working order.


If you're arguing here that the 2A is in place to protect the people from the government... that ship sailed a long time ago. They have F22 raptors, your Glock isn't scaring them.


Would have to know how they obtained it. My guess is it was acquired out of state as there is nothing stopping it from happening. Laws at the Federal level do not have the problem of porous state borders so that would be the obvious solution.

That being said, we already have so many guns in this country that any legislation will take decades to have any effect on crime. It would turn off the tap but the bath is already full.

Why do you assume he is only hanging on to them because he inherited them? He kept them for a reason, whether sentimental reasons or something else, I have no clue. Maybe he just doesn't want to try and take the time right now to sell all of those guns. I've never asked him why he has them, frankly because it's none of my business. Almost makes it sound like you don't think he should own those guns because it "boggles your mind".

The fact that it boggles your mind means nothing to my buddy and his decisions to hang on to something he inherited. You don't have to understand it and just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it is wrong.

Not sure why little comments like that rub me the wrong way sometimes. Big generalization being applied to a specific person and situation you know nothing about. I'm sure you didn't mean it exactly the way I took it and if so, sorry for the rant.

 

[Dakota731]

You seem to forget drug crime which is the leading factor in gun shooting in the US. And when drugs are allowed to freely flow into our borders nowadays, all the gun laws in the world aren’t going to prevent gun violence. Yet these threads only seem to focus on mass shooters which are a small percentage of the thousands of people that are murdered each day in our country’s inner cities.

Oh yeah economic equality will solve all the issues. Let’s give everyone the same income and we will all live in utopia. Let’s not forget that almost all the mass shooters in the US were middle or upper income young males who had access to and could afford mental health counseling. They weren’t going to schools and malls shooting yo people because they were poor give me a break.

 

[Moliphino]

Illinois already has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation yet someone is killed every SIX HOURS by a gun so all those gun laws don’t seem to solve anything. But I guess it makes people feel like they are helping matters to say they support gun legislation.
Some people don’t seem to realize that criminals DON’T obey the law and will get weapons illegally just like the case that started this thread. The murderer got his gun illegally just as he did in the past, yet he was put right back on the streets.
Not to mention any criminal can just go online to learn how to make an automatic weapon. But let’s just make another gun law so we can pat ourselves on the back. Let’s just ignore that California has 107 different gun laws yet has some of the highest gun murder rates in the nation.

Strict gun laws in one state don't help that much when someone can just go one state over and legally buy an arsenal.

 

[sam_gordon]

Strict gun laws in one state don't help that much when someone can just go one state over and legally buy an arsenal.

So these people, who have already decided to conduct a major criminal act, would simply say "well, since I can't get the weapon I want legally, I won't do anything"?

 

[rotlex]

Strict gun laws in one state don't help that much when someone can just go one state over and legally buy an arsenal.

This is not true. It CAN be in rare circumstances but is an argument given by many who are not really familiar with the laws. In order to purchase a firearm in another state, that state must comply with the laws of the state where the person purchasing the firearm resides.

https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/sales-across-state-lines

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-licensee-sell-firearm-nonlicensee-who-resident-another-state

There are exceptions if multi state residence or business comes into play, but I think that is pretty rare. I cannot legally live in say NJ, very strict gun laws, and drive to PA to buy anything I want.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

You seem to forget drug crime which is the leading factor in gun shooting in the US. And when drugs are allowed to freely flow into our borders nowadays, all the gun laws in the world aren’t going to prevent gun violence. Yet these threads only seem to focus on mass shooters which are a small percentage of the thousands of people that are murdered each day in our country’s inner cities.

I didn't forget anything. That goes without saying, well shouldn't it? At least the fact that drugs (from weed to fentanyl to heroin, etc) play a role in the community itself which then plays a role in other areas of the overall problem.

Not to mention I already spoke several times in this thread about shootings related to drugs so if you were paying attention to my posts you'd see that. But FWIW the incident I spoke about (the one where it was 7 teens who killed another teen over weed) occurred in what is very safe area by crime stats where drug deals are not common nor are shootings.

As far as free flowing I know by your prior comments you feel very strongly about our borders and while I cannot contest the influence and drugs that come from elsewhere and know that some incidents in my metro have been connected back to cartels don't forget that homegrown drugs are prevalent. It's not purely an "outside people coming in" problem and no one should singularly focus on that either. Then again I live next to a state that for a long time had been called "meth capital" (although not considered that any longer) and that meth was not related to our borders of the country but rather borne from rural parts by the state's citizens themselves. Don't forget we have our own issues related to drugs.

 

[dvcgirl67]

You seem to forget drug crime which is the leading factor in gun shooting in the US. And when drugs are allowed to freely flow into our borders nowadays, all the gun laws in the world aren’t going to prevent gun violence. Yet these threads only seem to focus on mass shooters which are a small percentage of the thousands of people that are murdered each day in our country’s inner cities.

“The border” is almost always the #1 topic on my next door site….especially when related to current increase in car thefts and reason for arming up. I live in NJ. It’s amazing….it reads like we’re under attack.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Smart *** answers may get a grin or a grimace, but doesn't do much to help discussion.

Just lightening the mood in a toxic debate. So sue me.

 

[White Cat]

“The border” is almost always the #1 topic on my next door site….especially when related to current increase in car thefts and reason for arming up. I live in NJ. It’s amazing….it reads like we’re under attack.

We are.

 

[Disneychick13]

All I know is while many are preoccupied with firearm deaths from mass shootings (690 incidents in 2021) there is a much more menacing fiend out there. Consider that in the year 2021 there were over 71,000 overdose deaths due to synthetic opioids alone (most of which were due to fentanyl) and that is more than double the 32,000 death from methamphetamines. Those numbers far eclipse even the total of all firearm deaths nationwide (about 45,000 in 2021- and over half of those are suicides). And that fentanyl is…… coming over our porous border. If we as a country don’t make this our number one priority- dealing with something that is already illegal, especially when we know that heavy border security and control will drastically curb the smuggling of this dangerous drug into our interior, than I don’t know why anybody thinks that the legality of many firearms, a right that has been shown again and again to be protected by our constitution- should or would be going away.

My point is- if we as a country can’t seem to deal with things that are already illegal, things that we know solutions for but refuse to implement them, I’m not quite sure how we are going to go about not only removing a constitutional amendment but also then dealing with the illegal firearms that will surely be passed through our porous border because (see above) we clearly can’t as a country do that. Or won’t.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Illinois already has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation yet someone is killed every SIX HOURS by a gun so all those gun laws don’t seem to solve anything. But I guess it makes people feel like they are helping matters to say they support gun legislation.
Some people don’t seem to realize that criminals DON’T obey the law and will get weapons illegally just like the case that started this thread. The murderer got his gun illegally just as he did in the past, yet he was put right back on the streets.
Not to mention any criminal can just go online to learn how to make an automatic weapon. But let’s just make another gun law so we can pat ourselves on the back. Let’s just ignore that California has 107 different gun laws yet has some of the highest gun murder rates in the nation.

The bolded is completely false. California ranks 44th in firearm death rate.

Source:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Also, the national map of firearm death rate is very telling. A basic understanding of gun laws should tell you that the correlation is the opposite of what you're claiming in your posts.

 

[GAN]

Oh yeah economic equality will solve all the issues. Let’s give everyone the same income and we will all live in utopia. Let’s not forget that almost all the mass shooters in the US were middle or upper income young males who had access to and could afford mental health counseling. They weren’t going to schools and malls shooting yo people because they were poor give me a break.

Exactly. Which is why I don't understand why you continually bring up inner city violent gun crime. Most of us understand that -I thought the topic here was Mass Murders(3 or more), not murders associated with random crime ...that's a whole other topic!

 

[GAN]

The bolded is completely false. California ranks 44th in firearm death rate.

Source:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Also, the national map of firearm death rate is very telling. A basic understanding of politics should tell you that the correlation is the opposite of what you're claiming in your posts.
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Hey.... anyone want to make a comment on this one! looks pretty good in my area

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Why do you assume he is only hanging on to them because he inherited them? He kept them for a reason, whether sentimental reasons or something else, I have no clue. Maybe he just doesn't want to try and take the time right now to sell all of those guns. I've never asked him why he has them, frankly because it's none of my business. Almost makes it sound like you don't think he should own those guns because it "boggles your mind".

My assumption they are only hanging onto them because he inherited them is based on the fact he owned a handful prior. He would not have gone out and purchased ~50 additional firearms so the only reason he has them is inheritance.

Valid point that he may just have not gotten around to selling them. I got the impression that he had them for a while but that may be a bad assumption on my part.

The "boggles my mind" comment is more around hoarding behavior in general that I've seen in my own family. People inherit stuff they didn't even knew existed and feel the need to keep it forever just because someone else owned it. It can be debilitating when taken to extremes.

So these people, who have already decided to conduct a major criminal act, would simply say "well, since I can't get the weapon I want legally, I won't do anything"?

Wouldn't be possible to just go to another state and buy something if we did the laws at the Federal level instead.

 

[mrodgers]

The bolded is completely false. California ranks 44th in firearm death rate.

Source:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Also, the national map of firearm death rate is very telling. A basic understanding of gun laws should tell you that the correlation is the opposite of what you're claiming in your posts.
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It's difficult to look at it in statistics.

If Bob shoots and kills Jimmy because he finds out Jimmy was with his girl in my town, we have a statistical rate of 7.7 per 100k. If someone shoots up and kills 8 people in a mass shooting incident in a mall in Pittsburgh, someone kills 6 people in a church, and yet another kills 6 at the bus station, Pittsburgh is doing better with 3 mass shootings over Bob and Jimmy's little lover's quarrel because that's only a 6.7 per 100k rate.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Wouldn't be possible to just go to another state and buy something if we did the laws at the Federal level instead.

Unless the states pass their own laws which is the current case with weed. The system is set up so that there is little encompassing laws for all states for a reason. Sometimes the topic is one many agree with sometimes it's one that is more differing opinions but the root is still the same regarding Federal vs state.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

A basic understanding of gun laws should tell you that the correlation is the opposite of what you're claiming in your posts.

FWIW the numbers are from 2020 which we have to keep in mind the pandemic because we know just about everywhere had an increase in violence although yes I'm sure we can draw trends from years past.

But CDC caveats their data with: "Although adjusted for differences in age-distribution and population size, rankings by state do not take into account other state specific population characteristics that may affect the level of mortality. When the number of deaths is small, rankings by state may be unreliable due to instability in death rates."

Just be careful about confirmation bias. Where I live the gun laws are extremely similar to the next state to me. But the do not have the same issues. Pertinent to the topic about killing others which would translate to the homicide rate this is the map


I remember looking up stats for my state and predominantly it was suicide. Look at Wyoming for instance which has a much different homicide rate compared to the firearm deaths. Firearm deaths is about deaths connected to guns but is not separated out who is killed. Homicide deaths is about killing of others but does not separate out the method and who is killed.

Now if we're trying to help people not kill themselves with fire arms we can look into ways to help. It's just about looking more into stats because it's really easy to get too high level overview and if you're looking to improve things knowing exactly what causes what, what is the main driver, is of utmost importance, well at least it is to me.

 

[sam_gordon]

Wouldn't be possible to just go to another state and buy something if we did the laws at the Federal level instead.

Nice job dodging the question. Are you part politician? I'll ask it again... If someone has already decided to conduct a major criminal act, do you think they would say "since I can't get the weapon I need legally, I won't do it"?

 

[dvcgirl67]

We are.

We’re really not.

 

[AvidDisReader]

Way too political for me to post opinions-- Just got a week time out for posting factual info regarding the Reedy District situation.