And the cuts continue....

[year2late]

Thank you Raidermatt! It really is important to know that we are a group of Disneyphiles and not a complete representation of the travelling public. Very few of my friends and coworkers have ventured to WDW(I live on the west coast). The similarities and cloning would be lost on a large portion of the travelling public.

I don't blame Disney for going for a sure thing in troubled times. I hope that when the storm is weathered, they will become a little bit more innovative.

 

[Thumper1]

I don't know but from what I've seen about "Space" at EPCOT, it looks pretty innovative to me.

Also I still talk to a lot of people and they think that WDW is just like Disneyland. I almost have to laugh, and sometimes do when I have to explain that they are way different. I think a lot of people just don't know much about either destination. We're the lucky ones who do know.

 

[Bob O]

Raidermatt The thing is most people dont close their eyes on rides,escpecially rides that have great theming. I have no problem with disney using the same ride mechanism at parks but the ride experience can be totally different considering what theming is involved and from what ive read is that Dinosaur is a cheap version of Indy which can have different ride experiences at different times considering what version its set up for.
But i dont want to go to different disney parks and see the same old same old. Why do both parks need a muppets 3d movie, bugs 3d movies, star tours attraction etc. I can see some cloning but i think each park experience should be unique and they are moving away from that.

 

[WDW2002]

without "clone rides" much of the Magic Kingdom would be empty....

 

[mmocken]

Originally posted by Bob O
mmocken Disney did open a park ready to go from day one, but the bad news its in Japan-Toyoko DinseySea. And i would agree that Universal/IOA are catching up to disney and have surpassed disney in Thrill Rides with Hulk/Spiderman?Dueling Dragons. And i also agree with Busch Gardens Williamsburg i was their last year and its a great park.

BobO,

I'll add BGW to my list to go to. Cedar Point too.

I read about DisneySea, and it sounds like they got that right...why not open that instead or CA?

But the record otherwise is similar. Epcot, EuroDisney, CA, AK all started slow. Disneyland had problems because Walt lacked resources and guidance(he was the first and made mistakes).

As for 'family' entertaining, US/IOA was well enjoyed by my 4YO DD. Barney/Nick Jr/Curious George/Suess/ET was plenty for her.

Disney is the original. They are the best for 'feminine' rides (please don't think this is sexist), and US/IOA are more 'masculine'. And that is by design.

I would say IN MY OPINION, the best ride in Orlando were Star Tours and TOT, BUT they were quickly replaced by MIB and Spiderman. I'm sorry, but RnRC and Test Track are OK, but the bar has moved.

Marty

 

[mmocken]

Originally posted by WDW2002
without "clone rides" much of the Magic Kingdom would be empty....

Lets not forget DL Paris, Tokyo and Hong Kong too!

I guess when you got the right stuff, why not copy it. That was the McDonald motto and look at them now. But therein lies the problem too. Disney is special and quality control is key. McDonalds was considered an innovator, but not anymore.

But DL is still the original and the best...right? I haven't been there yet, but soon!!!


Marty

 

[princessKT]

As Charlie Brown's teacher says "wa wa wa wa". This guy has no clue, Lord, help him...

 

[GenieNet]

I agree with you princess KT! Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could just go there and realize they're a *guest* and not expect everything to be catered to individual tastes. Truth be told, the reason why Disney is having problems in their theme parks is because of people like roymccoy...those who know the least know it the loudest...they change something because people like you squeak and squeak like a broken wheel, and then when they realize it's not a majority opinion, it costs them twice as much to go back and change the new set of customer dissatisfaction they've generated from the change. They need to just do like lots of other companies in this country right now and provide the best service they can to their brand loyal customers who understand this is a tough time for the travel/entertainment industry and realize you can't please everybody and cut your losses. In the end, cutting roymccoy as a customer is not really a loss...

 

[roymccoy]

I am the devil. I am the reason for all of Disney's ill's. If they could only get rid of me, all of these problems would just go away. Their problems couldn't have ANYTHING
to do with cut hours, closed rides, closed shows, closed restaurants, etc. No, It's me!

Roy

Thank God we figured that out! You are a genius, Genie! (Genie-ous)

 

[princessKT]

You're missing the point here Roy. For the 800th time, all you do is complain, complain, complain. Right letters, gripe to someone who can do something about it. WE CAN'T. And seriously, don't go if you hate it so much!!! It's like you go JUST to see what you can complain about next, that's just not normal.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

I don't normally read the DL posts or post here, so I don't know any of you. However, I did want to comment on Roy cancelling his WDW vacation because of cutbacks that he's read about. I was also very concerned about the WDW cutbacks before I went last month, especially the demise of early entry. I'd been three times in the last year before the January trip (didn't that annual pass save me money...) and can easily compare the parks before and after 9/11 and the cutbacks. Yes, the parks closed earlier than they had one year before and there was no EE. Other than that I didn't notice any other cutbacks. As it turned out the crowds were so non-existent that we were able to do so much more in so much less time. My sister and I (we were there without our kids) rode Tower of Terror 13 times in 2 days! Of course it till takes the same amount of time to see a show, but a person could walk into a theater right before showtime and get a good spot. And to top if all off we ended up staying at an off-site hotel since they didn't have early entry (never done that) and saved lots of money. All in all we had a blast!

We're going to be out west this summer so I wanted to read about DL just in case we end up in Southern CA. Maybe if the attendance numbers are down we should go to DL. Of course we would be there in August when everyone else is probably there.

 

[Michelle]

Okay, I think it's time to close this. Everyone is free to express an opinion about his/her Disneyland experiences but this has turned into a debate and we have a whole separate board for debaters. Feel free to discuss to start a thread there to discuss the topic. Thanks.