Americans and Canadians culture Q&A Thread.

[CdnCarrie]

But again we're talking about collective ideologies. You're just making assumptions off of things that aren't collective enough. The benchmark I suppose for calling an entire nation under 1 collective idea I suppose is higher than yours only thing I can guess. The gun part is something that is not collective enough, the interpretation of what that means in modern times has continuously been called into question (which is fairly well known) and if you consider the states if you cared to you can find that different states have different viewpoints on it. That's what I mean.

As far as not liking the U.S. well ...that would stray too far for this thread. FWIW you can still vacation here and not have a high opinion, I mean I wouldn't personally but then again I don't make comments about countries I've visited and wish to go back to in any sort of negative way. I have some places I could do without going back to and I have no such plans to go back to them.

Again it's a general light hearted discussion. I think many here have made assumptions. We are discussing ideas/culture and not people.
It's great to see the gun culture evolve. Nothing I said was in a derogatory fashion. I just mentioned that seemed to be a part of the American culture. I'm sure it varies from state to state and rural to urban as many things do.

I'm sorry if you have some mistaken perception of my feelings about the USA. A fact I have never mentioned here is that I'm a member of the Mayflower Society as I'm a direct descendent of John Alden via my American grandparents. My ancestor fought for the North in the civil war. I have no issues with the USA but a strong connection to it. It's not perfect same as Canada or any other nation. Sorry if you think I have given the USA a bad rap because that was never my intention.

 

[CdnCarrie]

This is American Culture now. It has been so long since they've had it, I wonder if Canadians remember what it is?
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The Stanley Cup.

Don't go there.....

Canada is a diverse mosaic and the USA is a melting pot. Both are unique and grand in their own way.

This exactly.

 

[Aladora]

We don’t have the Queen of England as any sort of figure head. Our leaders are not of noble birthright or particular status. Our country’s attitude is more of if you work the hardest, you should gain the most (whether this is right is up for debate). It’s a capitalistic attitude vs a socialistic one.

This comment really hinges on what we consider a "leader". I don't think many Canadians consider the Queen to be our leader, instead we look at our Prime Minister as that and although our current PM is from a pretty famous political family, I don't think anyone would consider him to be of noble birthright.

One of my favourite photos is this one of Prime Minister Trudeau carrying Prime Minister Trudeau!

 

[CdnCarrie]

Speaking of the Queen I hope she’s alright. Spent a night in hospital.
And love that picture!!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

a general light hearted discussion.

With all due respect a general light hearted discussion doesn't have

fear of socialism, strong advocates of guns

distrust of government in the USA (for example 2nd amendment and defending against the government)

strong culture of gun advocacy.

None of those are about light-hearted at all.

However talking about how do you think life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness compares and contrasts to Peace, Order and Good Government seems more like it. Is there a similarity in values or are they different in some ways on just those words. A good discussion on that also would not IMO be a presupposition into an assumption on differences as it seemed you were coming from. Good government can be compared to liberty, pursuit of happiness can be compared to peace or life or both, order I can see falling into liberty too. You may think there are completely different and yet I see shared backbones, different paths diverged perhaps.

 

[CdnCarrie]

With all due respect a general light hearted discussion doesn't have




None of those are about light-hearted at all.

However talking about how do you think life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness compares and contrasts to Peace, Order and Good Government seems more like it. Is there a similarity in values or are they different in some ways on just those words. A good discussion on that also would not IMO be a presupposition into an assumption on differences as it seemed you were coming from. Good government can be compared to liberty, pursuit of happiness can be compared to peace or life or both, order I can see falling into liberty too. You may think there are completely different and yet I see shared backbones, different paths diverged perhaps.

Okay I guess you just want to criticize and judge everything I post.
I won’t engage anymore.
It was a discussion and you seem to be taking everything very personal.
Have a good weekend!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Okay I guess you just want to criticize and judge everything I post.
I won’t engage anymore.
It was a discussion and you seem to be taking everything very personal.
Have a good weekend!

Just being honest, light-hearted and the other stuff you brought up don't go together. Apologies if you disagree but I'm sure the conversation would be a less likely to turn if it was not focused on what you brought up and instead was just about life/liberty,etc stuff. I'm not the only one who picked up on the anti-America talk either. Nothing taken personal I assure you. You have a good weekend too

 

[CdnCarrie]

Just being honest, light-hearted and the other stuff you brought up don't go together. Apologies if you disagree but I'm sure the conversation would be a less likely to turn if it was not focused on what you brought up and instead was just about life/liberty,etc stuff. I'm not the only one who picked up on the anti-America talk either. Nothing taken personal I assure you. You have a good weekend too

We picked up on the anti Canadian talk too. Goes both ways.

 

[Buzz Rules]

This comment really hinges on what we consider a "leader". I don't think many Canadians consider the Queen to be our leader, instead we look at our Prime Minister as that and although our current PM is from a pretty famous political family, I don't think anyone would consider him to be of noble birthright.

One of my favourite photos is this one of Prime Minister Trudeau carrying Prime Minister Trudeau!
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I meant it as anyone can run for almost any electable position if they have citizenship (the exception being President/native born).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We picked up on the anti Canadian talk too. Goes both ways.

I never said otherwise nor would I necessarily disagree with you.

Personally I'm usually more of the opinion that there's a lot more we have in common than people think with some fundamental differences that at times can be hard to explain (usually related to how our states work).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't think many Canadians consider the Queen to be our leader

I agree on that and I also agree on this

look at our Prime Minister as that

I don't think Canadians (or others who are under the Commonwealth of Nations) are always looking for the Queen as their leader though some countries may.

But I will say I sorta took the prior conversation a different way. I was thinking of allegiances when it came to talking about ties to another country (speaking to the poster who mentioned ties to another country and royalty/monarchy). For the U.S. as weird as it may sound to pledge allegiance to a flag it's really representative of the country, as the rest of The Pledge goes "and the Republic for which it stands, one nation..." . In Canada though to become a citizen you pledge allegiance to the Queen and a Queen who is one over technically various countries and certain professions also pledge allegiances to the Queen so I can see how that viewpoint seems different in terms of ties.

Apologies for this next lengthy part.

We watched an interesting episode about Royalty on Netflix's show Explained. Jamaica was discussed in that episode and the opinions of those interviewed disliked the Commonwealth aspect, one woman even called it a form of mental slavery without the ability to claim full freedom. It was pointed out that the pin the Queen gave the representative she appointed for Jamaica had an archangel with his foot on the neck of the devil. The comparison drawn was white colonists oppressing a black subject (ouch talk about optics) I understand far more how Jamaicans may feel about that given the Slave Trade that went on (and I'm not about to excuse the U.S. on that) so I don't think that's the same way that Canadians feel about the Queen/allegiance aspect but there is something there about how having ties to another country like that can impact things.

It was said for Jamaica that the Queen owns all of the public spaces there. You can say that of the U.S. where we have Federal land and we have state land but that is different because if Jamaica for example was completely independent not part of the Commonwealth it would be the same where some land would belong to the Jamaican government as opposed to a different country. A survey done in 2020 prior to the interviews from that episode showed only 30% of Jamaicans supported having the Queen as their Head of State with 55% saying No. In that episode it said Barbados was also removing her in 2021 (haven't checked to see if that's happened yet). Some I think is directly related to the British Empire and colonies aspect of hundreds of years of things, other parts related to the concept of having another country or person be involved with your own country.

 

[Aladora]

I meant it as anyone can run for almost any electable position if they have citizenship (the exception being President/native born).

This is pretty much the same in Canada so I am still a bit confused.

This is the eligibility for running for Federal office.

Eligibility
The right to run in a federal election is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The basic requirements to become a candidate are the following:

• You must be a Canadian citizen.
• You must be at least 18 years old on election day.
• You must not be deemed ineligible under the criteria listed in section 65 of the Act.
• You must submit either a Nomination Paper (EC 20010) (paper copy filed at the returning officer’s office) or an online nomination form (filed on the Political Entities Service Centre portal) along with all required supporting documents. The filing deadline is 21 days before election day at 2:00 p.m. local time.

 

[Buzz Rules]

This is pretty much the same in Canada so I am still a bit confused.

This is the eligibility for running for Federal office.

Eligibility
The right to run in a federal election is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The basic requirements to become a candidate are the following:

• You must be a Canadian citizen.
• You must be at least 18 years old on election day.
• You must not be deemed ineligible under the criteria listed in section 65 of the Act.
• You must submit either a Nomination Paper (EC 20010) (paper copy filed at the returning officer’s office) or an online nomination form (filed on the Political Entities Service Centre portal) along with all required supporting documents. The filing deadline is 21 days before election day at 2:00 p.m. local time.

Can an immigrant run for prime minister? The U.S. President needs to be a native born citizen.

 

[prairie_girl]

Can an immigrant run for prime minister? The U.S. President needs to be a native born citizen.

Yes, an immigrant can become Prime Minister as long as they are a Canadian Citizen. In fact, our first PM was born in Scotland.

 

[prairie_girl]

Don't go there.....

They should try doing it without Canadian players.

 

[ronandannette]

...Hockey is king and maple syrup for all? (j/k)

Not at our house; we're basketball people. How's that for diversity!!

 

[Buzz Rules]

They should try doing it without Canadian players.

It works for the Olympics….

 

[tvguy]

Can an immigrant run for prime minister? The U.S. President needs to be a native born citizen.

Native born implies born on U.S. soil. Actually, they can be born anywhere in the world, as long as they were considered a U.S. citizen at birth.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Native born implies born on U.S. soil. Actually, they can be born anywhere in the world, as long as they were considered a U.S. citizen at birth.

True. I forgot about the exception.

 

[prairie_girl]

It works for the Olympics….

Canada has met USA 6 times in the Olympic men’s ice hockey finals. Our record is 5-1 soooo