Am I a Bad Father???

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This is such a minor thing compared to what else goes on in our world. It is isn't like you were giving him alcohol or something. It is true we all make mistakes and he will not be scared for life. He might always remember it (he'll have a story,like everyone else does), but he will love you still the same.Everyone needs to get off their high horses and back off. We all have stories about scaring our kids at Halloween or when they are watching a scary movie or when they are walking out of the bathroom and you just happen to be there or say boo.You might take them to a movie and they get scared-you didn't mean to scar them for life-some Disney movies even scare little ones. Really in the scheme of things it is very minor. Live your life op and don't let anyone judge you. You never know what goes on behind their closed doors-could be a lot worse-not that I am implying anyone here is that bad. JMHO.

This is not meant for most of you. Just the few who think you are better parents than the rest.
 
This is not meant for most of you. Just the few who think you are better parents than the rest.

There is a difference between misjudging what will scare your child (like taking them to a Disney movie) and intentionally lying to your child in order to trick them into doing something you know the child is too scared to do.

Look at the picture of that kid. He looks like he needs to restart his toilet training from scratch. This was no mistake. The Bad Dad did something wrong, he knew it was wrong when he did it, and he knew it was wrong when he came here hoping that the world's most nonjudgmental people would absolve him of his sin.

No, it is not the same as giving the child alcohol, or beating him, or molesting him, or whatever other straw argument you might want to build up in order to change the subject. But what this guy did was very, very bad. Any parent would would refuse to do such a thing is not automatically a better parent, but the odds are pretty strong in favor because this guy is a jerk.
 
You just opened a whole can of worms on this one, buddy.

My parents did it to me and I got over it.
You live & learn.

c'est la vie
 

Hmm, this is a popcorn thread I haven't seen in a long time, but I have to say something in regards to those ragging on the OP.

Most of you are under the assumption that the DS is trembling in fear, completely traumatized, and has PTSD now that he has ridden ToT. TBH, I can't really tell what the kid is feeling, but it's too far and too wrong to assume that the kid is scarred for life. Under the circumstances I grew up in, I would have gotten over it, and had a good laugh over time with my parents. What are you expecting? That twenty years later, everytime this is mentioned at a reunion, that DS is going to turn stonecold and leave?

Second, you are also the assumption that the father intentionally wanted to hurt his son and intentionally was hoping to see him in this sorry state. I know humans are messed up, but I do know enough about ethics to say that he did this so his son wouldn't hold himself back. I can't be judge of character over an online forum, but do you seriously think that he intentionally had the desire to humiliate his DS? I don't know about you, but goading a kid into a ride so they won't be dragged back by their own fear is NOT a "jerkish" thing to do.

Did the OP trick his DS? Yes. But do parents do that to all their kids? Yes. IE: I grew up in a Chinese family. We would eat pork bung from time to time (intestine). My parents told me it was chewing gum. Lie? Yes. Malice? No. Another example: kid in India has a parasitic twin in his stomach. Goes to surgery to get it removed. Parents tell him he had to get surgery because he ate 'bad fruit'. Lie? Yes. Malice? No. THIRD scenario: Parents take kid to a REAL broken elevator, telling him it's just a ride. Elevator drops down the shaft and kid is killed. Lie? Yes. Malice. Yes.
If you don't see my point, the father OBVIOUSLY knew that his son was going to be safe and secure throughout the length of the ride. If he knew that his son was going to get hurt, do you think he would have proceeded?

Lastly, ToT is an elevator ride. For that matter, what's an elevator ride? If someone was expecting a ride that went at the same speed and direction as a normal functioning elevator, I would tell them that we would be going on an 'elevator'. But it is a ride, which means there is some thrill involved. I'm sure the DS isn't stupid. He knows what the difference is between a ride and an electrical apparatus with a real life function.
 
I don't think I would have lied to get my kid to go on the ride. Perhaps what DH and I did was even worse. We told him the truth. We were at Universal's IOA and wanted to go on the Duddly Do Right log ride. Previous that, DS cried and carried on and subsequently put off going on Splash at WDW. At UIOA, I put my foot down. He was 9, almost 10 years old, more than big enough to go on these rides, and he was crying and carrying on like a baby because he said he was afraid of the fall. My fear was that if we never broke him of his fear, he would be scarred for life and never know how much fun it could be. So like a parent that throws your kid out into the pool and says swim, we forced him to go with us on DDR. He cried every step of the way, and it was a long line. People gave us the look of death like we were the most evil parents in the world. Guess what? He loved the ride. He was half laughing and half crying at the end just because he didn't know what to do. He enjoyed the ride. We went around and rode it again and again. And he was laughing and enjoying it. After that, he rode Splash, he now goes on TOT and he no longer fears the 'feeling of the fall.' He goes on crazier rides than me or DH ever would! And he's not scarred for life. I'm sure for a brief moment at UIOA he hated our guts, and others around us probably hated us too. (In fact, I reckon we were on a most hated people list for that day, in that park, for that reason.) Live and learn. In hindsight, I didn't want my extremely sheltered, only child, son to be scared of everything his whole entire life. At a certain point, you have to either push yourself, or someone else will push you to the brink and then you have decide, sink or swim? He swam and had a blast doing it! {Something tells me I'm in for it now...:rolleyes1}:duck:
 
I don't think I would have lied to get my kid to go on the ride. Perhaps what DH and I did was even worse. We told him the truth. We were at Universal's IOA and wanted to go on the Duddly Do Right log ride. Previous that, DS cried and carried on and subsequently put off going on Splash at WDW. At UIOA, I put my foot down. He was 9, almost 10 years old, more than big enough to go on these rides, and he was crying and carrying on like a baby because he said he was afraid of the fall. My fear was that if we never broke him of his fear, he would be scarred for life and never know how much fun it could be. So like a parent that throws your kid out into the pool and says swim, we forced him to go with us on DDR. He cried every step of the way, and it was a long line. People gave us the look of death like we were the most evil parents in the world. Guess what? He loved the ride. He was half laughing and half crying at the end just because he didn't know what to do. He enjoyed the ride. We went around and rode it again and again. And he was laughing and enjoying it. After that, he rode Splash, he now goes on TOT and he no longer fears the 'feeling of the fall.' He goes on crazier rides than me or DH ever would! And he's not scarred for life. I'm sure for a brief moment at UIOA he hated our guts, and others around us probably hated us too. (In fact, I reckon we were on a most hated people list for that day, in that park, for that reason.) Live and learn. In hindsight, I didn't want my extremely sheltered, only child, son to be scared of everything his whole entire life. At a certain point, you have to either push yourself, or someone else will push you to the brink and then you have decide, sink or swim? He swam and had a blast doing it! {Something tells me I'm in for it now...:rolleyes1}:duck:
I don't think it has anything to do with being scared. Some people(my dd14 included) just don't like the feeling you get when going down a drop. So be it. I don't think she will end up be "scared and sheltered of everything" her whole life.
 
I think it's usually best to be more honest with kids, to let their natural curiousity drive things, and to encourage them.

My kids are both very tall for their ages (DS5 is 49" and DD3 is 43") and they both love roller coasters and thrill rides (my daughter more so than my son, but both love them). My daughter went on her first roller coaster (Goofy's Barnstormer at WDW) shortly before she turned 2 (she was 36"). I was able to sit in the seat in front of her and get a video of her reaction, turning from a look of concern on the first drop to one of pure joy through the rest of the ride. On our return trip a year later (shortly before she turned 3), she was 42" and she asked to go on the Tower of Terror. I took her, and she did fine with it. Afterward, I asked if she liked it and she said yes. I asked if she wanted to do it again (to find out what she really thought) and she said no. Last week when we were at Disneyland, she asked if she could do Tower of Terror. Unfortunately, it was our last day and we never made it there.

We all went on Space Mountain 10-15 times on our latest trip, and my 5 year old got to go on California Screamin' close to a dozen times.

I won't comment on whether or not you are a bad father for telling your 7 year old that it was just an elevator ride, but if you tell him that my 2 year old daughter enjoyed it, you just might be. ;)
 
My fear was that if we never broke him of his fear, he would be scarred for life and never know how much fun it could be. ... In hindsight, I didn't want my extremely sheltered, only child, son to be scared of everything his whole entire life.

Oh, well, this is a completely different situation. Your son was in extreme danger of spending his entire life in a roller coaster-free prison of his own creation. Imagine that! A freak who spends his entire life not going on carnival rides. That is the kind of person who turns out to be "scared of everything his whole entire life" and lives as a wimpy little girly man. I'd say that justifies almost any amount of emotional torture to prevent such a horrible, horrible outcome.

I had a similar situation with my own son, also a sheltered child. He said he didn't want to get a tattoo because he didn't like the feeling of the needle going in. Well, I didn't want him to grow up being a little scardy cat, so I forced him to get a tattoo, nothing big, just the Chinese character for testicles. Boy did he scream and cry and carry on like a little baby, even though he was in middle school! Ultimately I had to hold him down by the throat so he would stop kicking and screaming. But you know what? He loved it. Now he gets all kinds of tattoos: tribal tattoos, gang tattoos, he even got an extremely naughty word tattooed to his forehead the other day.

But at least he's not a wimp because his extremely intelligent and loving parents pushed him into it. So good on ya, DisneySuiteFreak! Awesome job of parenting!
 
Aw, geez. Give it a rest. :sad2:

Couldn't agree with you more. Some of these posts are boardering on the ridiculous. And while I am at it, no need for there to be snarky posts about someone's pic. That's just rude and uncalled for.
 
Oh, well, this is a completely different situation. Your son was in extreme danger of spending his entire life in a roller coaster-free prison of his own creation. Imagine that! A freak who spends his entire life not going on carnival rides. That is the kind of person who turns out to be "scared of everything his whole entire life" and lives as a wimpy little girly man. I'd say that justifies almost any amount of emotional torture to prevent such a horrible, horrible outcome.

I had a similar situation with my own son, also a sheltered child. He said he didn't want to get a tattoo because he didn't like the feeling of the needle going in. Well, I didn't want him to grow up being a little scardy cat, so I forced him to get a tattoo, nothing big, just the Chinese character for testicles. Boy did he scream and cry and carry on like a little baby, even though he was in middle school! Ultimately I had to hold him down by the throat so he would stop kicking and screaming. But you know what? He loved it. Now he gets all kinds of tattoos: tribal tattoos, gang tattoos, he even got an extremely naughty word tattooed to his forehead the other day.

But at least he's not a wimp because his extremely intelligent and loving parents pushed him into it. So good on ya, DisneySuiteFreak! Awesome job of parenting!

:lmao::lmao::lmao:
I have to say that there is a difference between a kid willingly getting on a scary ride only to realize he didnt like it , and what this dad did which was lie to his kid only to find out he was scared. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Alvernon, :rotfl2::rotfl2:good one!
 
Although I'm not a parent and never will be, I don't think we give kids enough credit. We treat them as if they're so fragile and breakable that we must walk around on eggshells around them in fear of scarring them for life.

He'll be fine and he'll get over it. You're a fine parent as far as I'm concerned.
 
in reference to the comment about parents who "think" they are better than others....lol, i think it's safe to say that parents who don't lie to and trick and intentionally frighten their children, generally ARE better parents than those who would. there's no "think" about it.

also, i had to laugh at the comment about being thrown into a pool and told to swim, as this was actually done to me at the age of about 4. it didn't teach me to swim....and it didn't feel like "fun"...it just felt like drowning.

personally, i've seen a lot of situations while at DLR where parents are yelling at small children who are sobbing as they stand at the entrance to a ride. the child is scared, the parents are frustrated. in truth, i can see why the parents would be disappointed...here they've spent a lot of time, money, and effort to do a big FUN disneyland trip for their child, only to have it not go anything like they planned. i would be disappointed, too. and in all fairness, i've never had this issue because all 4 of my children really love the attractions at DLR, have never cried in fear while on the rides or in line for them, etc., and have been going on them since they were babies. i wouldn't force them or trick them onto rides they felt afraid of though, because i respect their feelings and fears, and because i would think that it would be counterproductive. i've been a parent long enough to know that kids need to feel safe in order to try new things. and considering my kids are very willing to try new things, i'm pretty sure my logic has proven true. they've learned, by my behavior all their lives, that i wouldn't lie or trick, so they know they can trust me if i tell them i think an experience is something they might enjoy. i also explain that even if a part of the ride seems scary (i had this conversation with my 7 year old daughter about Indy), that nothing on the ride will hurt her, and that the ride doesn't last very long. if they decline, that would be fine, too. i'd sit out with them. in fact, i've probably said a hundred times to my kids, "nobody here is going to force you to do something that scares you", when at disneyland or other amusement parks, etc. in the end, they always decide to try it out. and there isn't a ride yet that any of them have said they're too afraid to go on again.

maybe with some kids, pushing them into a situation seems to work out. i don't know, because i've never done it. my theory, after 17 years of parenting though, is that respecting a child's feelings, opinions, and fears, is more productive in the end. if their own feelings are considered and respected, they subsequently learn to consider and respect the feelings of others. and in my opinion, there are far too many people (children included) who have NO consideration or respect for anyone else's feelings but their own. that's not who i want my children to be.

to all those who are getting so upset that there are some parents who are giving our negative opinions to this guy, remember that HE ASKED for those opinions, asked EVERYONE specifically whether or not he was a "bad father". he completely solicited any response he might receive. i'm sure he's not on his end bellyaching and crying over the answers.

hopefully, he's apologizing to his little boy and resolving not to trick him anymore for selfish entertainment purposes.
 
Actually I would not be surprised if the original poster is a "troll," who thought he'd stir the pot a little :stir: by putting up the picture and seeing how many people would get outraged, nasty with each other, critical and hurt by the resulting flames. I notice he/she has not responded at all in this thread.

I'm not upset with anybody giving their opinion. Just wish people could put things more tactfully, instead of flaming. :confused3
 
I don't think I would have lied to get my kid to go on the ride. Perhaps what DH and I did was even worse. We told him the truth. We were at Universal's IOA and wanted to go on the Duddly Do Right log ride. Previous that, DS cried and carried on and subsequently put off going on Splash at WDW. At UIOA, I put my foot down. He was 9, almost 10 years old, more than big enough to go on these rides, and he was crying and carrying on like a baby because he said he was afraid of the fall. My fear was that if we never broke him of his fear, he would be scarred for life and never know how much fun it could be. So like a parent that throws your kid out into the pool and says swim, we forced him to go with us on DDR. He cried every step of the way, and it was a long line. People gave us the look of death like we were the most evil parents in the world. Guess what? He loved the ride. He was half laughing and half crying at the end just because he didn't know what to do. He enjoyed the ride. We went around and rode it again and again. And he was laughing and enjoying it. After that, he rode Splash, he now goes on TOT and he no longer fears the 'feeling of the fall.' He goes on crazier rides than me or DH ever would! And he's not scarred for life. I'm sure for a brief moment at UIOA he hated our guts, and others around us probably hated us too. (In fact, I reckon we were on a most hated people list for that day, in that park, for that reason.) Live and learn. In hindsight, I didn't want my extremely sheltered, only child, son to be scared of everything his whole entire life. At a certain point, you have to either push yourself, or someone else will push you to the brink and then you have decide, sink or swim? He swam and had a blast doing it! {Something tells me I'm in for it now...:rolleyes1}:duck:

:hug First I so understand! My Aunt has had to deal with my cousin who was a very scared child. He was scared of almost all rides as a child but his fears were expanding to more and more things and were actually causing issues in his life and with friends. He hid under the table at my wedding when he thought he heard lightening, he was 11 years old. Yes, we did eventually talk him into rides, being older we didn't lie because he was told old for that. But having me who he rarely sees did help him some.

Now that he started to ride things at DL he is doing better, he started to go on rides with his friends instead of missing events because he was scared. He can go to events with costumed performers instead of missing out on events. Some kids fears do grow if you don't work with them to break some. They may seem small but they can grow and effect their social lives. Which is way worse then dragging them on a ride.

Actually I would not be surprised if the original poster is a "troll," who thought he'd stir the pot a little :stir: by putting up the picture and seeing how many people would get outraged, nasty with each other, critical and hurt by the resulting flames. I notice he/she has not responded at all in this thread.

I'm not upset with anybody giving their opinion. Just wish people could put things more tactfully, instead of flaming. :confused3

The person has over a hundred posts, and might be from the WDW side, the side that we always think we are nicer then. I have a feeling he will be working on his WDW plans again before ever posting here again. :scared1:

Honestly I can't judge a guy for saying ToT is like a elevator ride, it is!! That is probably how I would describe it, you go up and down like a elevator, it looks like an elevator. Honestly most kids I have heard are more scared of the visuals then the up and down, I would have probably spent more time talking about that.

In the end it is not my place to judge, I mean I see kids looking more terrified and "injured" in people's family photos where they make their kids take pictures with characters. Many kids grow up hating costumed performers thanks to their parents but so many parents still do it. But again to each their own and in the end it depends on how much you really know your kid!
 
Actually I would not be surprised if the original poster is a "troll," who thought he'd stir the pot a little :stir: by putting up the picture and seeing how many people would get outraged, nasty with each other, critical and hurt by the resulting flames. I notice he/she has not responded at all in this thread.

That's what I was thinking too.
 
hopefully, he's apologizing to his little boy and resolving not to trick him anymore for selfish entertainment purposes.
My question for you is how do you know that that's the case?
 
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