Airport scanners can store, transmit images

[ICF]

Even though the face may be blurry, the body shape sure wouldn't lie. They'd know it was you.

What type of messed up body shape do you have that would be so easily identified on that picture? 3 arms, 6 legs???

Assuming you have all the "normal" body parts, I do think there is anything in that fuzzy image to allow someone to say ....."Hey let's check out this fuzzy naked picture of Carly_Roach" since they can't see your face.

 

[luvmy3jewels]

There have been a couple of posters that on this thread that say that this type of scanning won't save lives. I'm interested in hearing how you have come to this conclusion and what proof that you have that it won't?

 

[FireDancer]

There have been a couple of posters that on this thread that say that this type of scanning won't save lives. I'm interested in hearing how you have come to this conclusion and what proof that you have that it won't?

I think both sides of the argument are speculating.

The other thing that is often forgotten with security measures (all of them, not just scanners) is that even if they never ever catch a terrorist or hijacker doesn't mean they aren't working. The fact they are there could act as a deterrent from even trying. If that is the case then the would be terrorist isn't going to get caught by the scanner but it still prevented an attempt. On the face of it one could say the machine wasn't effective because it never caught a single would be terrorist but in reality it stopped the attempt before it started.

I think it is equally foolish to think the scanner will stop no attack as it is to think it will stop all attacks. The truth, as with most things in life, lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[JerseyJanice]

There have been a couple of posters that on this thread that say that this type of scanning won't save lives. I'm interested in hearing how you have come to this conclusion and what proof that you have that it won't?

My opinion is that if someone is nutty enough to sew chemical explosives into his underwear, he's likely to be just as daft to put something where the sun won't shine. These scanners will not detect anything that's being smuggled internally.

 

[bicker]

I think both sides of the argument are speculating.

The other thing that is often forgotten with security measures (all of them, not just scanners) is that even if they never ever catch a terrorist or hijacker doesn't mean they aren't working. The fact they are there could act as a deterrent from even trying. If that is the case then the would be terrorist isn't going to get caught by the scanner but it still prevented an attempt. On the face of it one could say the machine wasn't effective because it never caught a single would be terrorist but in reality it stopped the attempt before it started.

I think it is equally foolish to think the scanner will stop no attack as it is to think it will stop all attacks. The truth, as with most things in life, lies somewhere in the middle.

You've really hit the nail on the head, there.

 

[sbell111]

As I said before, we should be laughing loud and long at this idiot that set his pants on fire. Terrorists hate to be laughed at. I agree.

This was a loner in a failed attempt to make his mark. It wasn't some organized attack on the US.

The crotch bomber claimed that he was directed by al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda released a statement taking responsibility, and he has since been linked to al-Qaeda. How can you say that he was on his own?

I said before and I still maintain my stance: if this had been an actual terrorist attack, there would have been more coverage about it while it was happening. I watched this story unfold on Christmas day afternoon and CNN was the only station that carried it live. CNBC, MSNBC, Faux News, ABC, NBC and CBS all had some other programming on.

Can you imagine something like that happening on 9/11/01? Only one network carrying the attack on the twin towers? So my litmus test is this: if it's not important enough for our 24 hour news organizations to bother coming in on a holiday to cover live, then it's not that big of a deal to the well-being of our country.

Your litmus test is that no news organization will ever scoop the others on something that's important? Really?

 

[sbell111]

This is one of the aspects of this whole issue that I really object to. Many of the advocates, especially those arrayed against tighter security, feel they can support their perspective by grossly disparaging the majority of their fellow Americans. Any perspective founded on the principle that most others are inferior, in this manner, is seriously suspect, as far as I'm concerned. Elitist and carelessly disrespectful, at best, this is not a worthy foundation for any assertions about anything in our society. Reasonable people disagree about matters like this. When respect for opposing viewpoints is gone, then the ability to live together in peace is gone.

 

[sbell111]

My opinion is that if someone is nutty enough to sew chemical explosives into his underwear, he's likely to be just as daft to put something where the sun won't shine. These scanners will not detect anything that's being smuggled internally.

Ummm, the crotch bomber was nutty enough to sew explosives into his underwear, but didn't bother with the back door.

Of course, that's not your point. Your point is that this device cannot stop every kind of attack. So what? Nothing can stop every kind of attack and this device isn't supposed to stop avery possible attack. That's why we have a complex, multifaceted, security structure.

That being said, if someone stuffs half a cup of PETN up their bum, I'm fairly certain that they will be pulled out of line to be subjected to 'additional screening'.

 

[luvmy3jewels]

Ummm, the crotch bomber was nutty enough to sew explosives into his underwear, but didn't bother with the back door.

Of course, that's not your point. Your point is that this device cannot stop every kind of attack. So what? Nothing can stop every kind of attack and this device isn't supposed to stop avery possible attack. That's why we have a complex, multifaceted, security structure.

That being said, if someone stuffs half a cup of PETN up their bum, I'm fairly certain that they will be pulled out of line to be subjected to 'additional screening'.

They would just need to look for the dude with a huge supply of Beano stuffed in their pockets! (Sorry, I know this is a very serious subject but I couldn't resist).

I think FireDancer was spot on in his post!

 

[Carly_Roach]

The crotch bomber claimed that he was directed by al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda released a statement taking responsibility, and he has since been linked to al-Qaeda. How can you say that he was on his own?

I can claim that the DIS is a perfect cross-section of Americans and their opinions. But my claiming it doesn't make it true.

al-Qaeda can issue all the statements they want that they were involved in this loner's underpants bomb. But that doesn't necessarily make their statements true either.

And finally, I can be "linked" to the Disney Corporation via my participation on the DIS. But that doesn't necessarily make me a Disney employee.

Your litmus test is that no news organization will ever scoop the others on something that's important? Really?

My litmus test is that if this had been an actual terrorist attack with American lives in serious jeopardy, all of the networks would have been covering it like they covered Balloon Boy. Didn't happen.

But they're sure making advertising metrics with their coverage of it after the fact, aren't they?

 

[Huggles]

Well, considering the amount of money I have to pay for my flights, I'm not so sure I see it as a "privilege".

If they're welcome to go through your luggage, scan your body, limit your liquids and do anything else, how do you feel about being brought into a room, stripped naked and having a latex-gloved TSA agent stick her fingers into your body cavities searching for something? Or being brought into a restroom and handing over your used maxipad so that can be examined?

Seriously, that is how criminals are treated, and I'm not going to subject myself to anything like that if it's the only way to get on a plane.

I don't know about the USA, but any internal searches in other countries are required to be done by qualified medical personnel. The old joke of the Customs officer snapping on the latex glove for an internal is nonsense and so, I think, it would be for TSA officers. That is why if any potential drug smuggler is to undergo an internal they have to be removed to either a hospital or a custody suite where they will be searched by medical staff ( or they are taken for an Xray at a hospital or medical facility.)

As for 'full' towels or Depends; drug smugglers are not averse to hiding their 'cargo' there, so why should it stop bombers?

I am the source of fun in our family as I am regularly stopped and searched when I travel. I don't mind, folk have a job to do. You could say that I should complain because I don't fit a profile ( I am small, white, middle-aged and have gone on to further education), However, in my past job I know that folk can dress as anything/anyone to try to put you off the scent. People moan about old granny being stopped but I can tell you of numerous old grannies and grandads who have been done for importing and dealing drugs. Folk who lay their babies on mattresses of drugs and sedate the child so they can tell the officer not to move the baby to examine the mattress because "I've just got the baby to sleep" Folk in wheelchairs whose cushions are filled with gear....you wouldn't believe the lengths drug smugglers and terrorists will go to....even inside the artificial limb.

I have been an instructor on strip searching courses ( there's a method to it) and had to be stopped (by my husband) from complimenting the officer following being searched in a foreign country. I think it might have been a bit too strange , right enough. " Well done, that's the best strip search I've been through"

So, before you decide to boycott or complain about the measures being put in place, think about the most disgusting and perverted way to hide bomb making substances / drugs and then think what others would have to do to find it. Rest assured someone dedicated to their cause will have tried it or thought about it too.

 

[declansdad]

I'm sure these people didn't think pictures of what they were wearing was anything anyone would want to share with their friends, either.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

On the internet there is always an audience for the lowest common denominator: people who want to point at, laugh at or make disparaging remarks about others - even perfect strangers.

Now imagine any of the photos on that website are actually photos of your scanned naked body put there for other people to make comments about and then ask yourself if this humiliation that you'll be facing until you die is worth that ONE stopped terrorist?

These two things, people of walmart - airport scanenrs, are in no way comparable.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Perhaps it's a matter of semantics, but I don't view paying $1,000 for my family to fly to/from Florida as a privilege. I'm a customer of the airline and if the only way they can guarantee my safety is to view my naked image on a scanner, they can keep their "privilege."

You do understand the airlines aren't viewing your image through your clothing (different from, and more accurate than, 'naked image'), right? That the airlines have little, if anything, to do with changes in security procedures? That any anger should be directed at Homeland Security and the TSA? Amd while you may not view paying $X for you and your family to fly somewhere a privilege, that's exactly what it is?

According to the viewpoint of many who say that flying is a privilege, then owning a business must be a privilege, not a right. After all, we are talking about privately owned companies (airlines). I did not realize that to conduct a business, and for people to use that business, was a privilege in this country.

Ah, okay. I wasn't aware owning a business is a right. In that case, I want my own business! I have a right to it! Oh, wait, no - if I work hard and invest well and manage well, I could have the privilege of owning a business.

 

[kaytieeldr]

And what if it doesn't save the lives of anyone? Is it now worth it when that co-worker you beat out for a promotion happens to have a BF who's an airport security worker who gets a copy of your nude photograph and she posts it where your other co-workes can now see it? Even though the face may be blurry, the body shape sure wouldn't lie. They'd know it was you.

Assumes facts not in evidence. HOW, exactly, would someone be able to pick YOU out of the thousands or tens of thousands of passengers passing through the scanners every day? Do you really think you're the only one with your body type? Is your coworker going to give her BF a clothed picture of you to compare to all those thousands of images, each briefly displayed on a computer screen, successfully? Do you actually think the agent in the scanner room will have time to do that? Do you REALLY think so?

 

[sewer]

I really wouldn't care, who knows I might get a few new girlfriends!

 

[kaytieeldr]

I can claim that the DIS is a perfect cross-section of Americans and their opinions. But my claiming it doesn't make it true.

Doesn't make it false.

al-Qaeda can issue all the statements they want that they were involved in this loner's underpants bomb. But that doesn't necessarily make their statements true either.

Again, doesn't make it false.

And finally, I can be "linked" to the Disney Corporation via my participation on the DIS. But that doesn't necessarily make me a Disney employee.

Now you're just talking for the sake of talking. Given that this is an unofficial site, not affiliated with Disney in any way, no, you can't make that claim.

 

[FireDancer]

My litmus test is that if this had been an actual terrorist attack with American lives in serious jeopardy, all of the networks would have been covering it like they covered Balloon Boy.

Unfortunately that is giving our news media far too much credit. I am waiting for them to cut away from the coverage of the Haitian earthquake to get the scoop on who Tiger is sleeping with now. Of course just as sad is the number of people who would actually care about the later.