Airline ID requirement faces legal challenge

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Anybody else see this:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-10-10-privacy_x.htm

Airline ID requirement faces legal challenge

By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

At a time when Americans have come to expect tight security for air travel, it might seem to be an odd question: Does requiring airline passengers to show identification before they board domestic flights amount to an "unreasonable search" under the Constitution?

Yes, says John Gilmore, a computer whiz who made a fortune as an early employee of Sun Microsystems. His challenge of the federal ID requirement, which soon could get a hearing before a U.S. appeals court in San Francisco, is one of the latest court battles to test the balance between security concerns and civil liberties.

At issue is Gilmore's claim that checking the IDs of passengers on domestic flights violates his right to travel throughout the USA anonymously, without the government monitoring him.

Lawyers involved in the case say it apparently is the first such challenge to the federal rules that require airline passengers to provide identification. In a similar case, two peace activists are suing the U.S. government to determine how their names came to be placed on a federal "no-fly list." Rebecca Gordon and Janet Adams were not allowed to board a San Francisco to Boston flight in August 2002 after they were told that their names were on a "secret FBI" list of potential security threats, their court filing says.

"I believe I have a right to travel in my own country without presenting what amounts to an internal passport," Gilmore, 49, said in an interview. "I have a right to be anonymous, (to not) be tracked by my government for no good reason."

Gilmore said he has no problem with security checks that focus on passengers' luggage. He says he also does not object to having to present a passport to board flights to other countries.

Some privacy groups say Gilmore has a point. But others who support the ID requirement have cast the San Francisco resident as being out of touch with the realities of air travel since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Kent Scheidegger, counsel for the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, a conservative group in Sacramento, says the ID requirement is good policy and "eminently constitutional."

"The Fourth Amendment forbids not searches that you don't like, it forbids unreasonable searches," he says. "Nothing could be more reasonable at this time than to know who you're flying with."

The Justice Department is fighting Gilmore's claim. Acting on the department's motion, a U.S. district court judge in San Francisco dismissed the suit last March. Gilmore has appealed; a hearing before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is likely to be scheduled after briefs are filed next month.

In court papers, the Justice Department has not defended the ID policy, or even acknowledged it exists. It has said national security law requires that this aspect of the case be argued in a courtroom closed to the public, including Gilmore. The appeals court denied the government's secrecy request Sept. 20, and the government has asked the court to reconsider.

Rules on the Transportation Security Administration's Web site say passengers 18 and older need one form of government-issued photo identification or two forms of non-photo identification to board domestic flights.

Airlines adopted such a policy on their own after terrorists bombed an international flight over Lockerbie, Scotland, in December 1988. The bomb that killed all 270 passengers on the jet was said to have been placed in a passenger's luggage by a terrorist who got into a restricted area. The airlines say checking IDs against luggage and passenger information is a way to deny terrorists access to flights.

The TSA, formed two years ago in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, checks IDs to verify passenger identities and to check them against "watch lists" of known or suspected terrorists.

Gilmore's suit says the requirement amounts to an unreasonable search, a "burden" on the right to travel and a form of self-incrimination because it singles out "anonymous travelers" for searching.

Gilmore said the ID requirement does little to ensure security. "Ordinary citizens may show correct identification, but do we really think that someone who is willing to commit a terrorist act won't also be willing to present false identification?"

Gilmore's suit was filed in 2002, after he was denied seats on two flights at the airport in Oakland. It was his first domestic flight since the 9/11 attacks. Before then, Gilmore said, he was permitted to board flights after presenting a Federal Aviation Administration document that said showing IDs was optional.

In 1982, Gilmore, a computer programmer, was the first person hired by the founders of what became Sun Microsystems. He retired eight years ago with what his publicist, Bill Scannell, calls "multiples" of millions of dollars.

Since then, Gilmore said, he has worked to promote "individual rights," in part by sponsoring a foundation that is critical of travel restrictions and what he considers violations of speech and privacy rights.

Last year, before taking off on a British Airways flight from San Francisco to London, Gilmore angered fellow travelers by refusing to remove a blue button on his lapel that had the words "suspected terrorist" imposed over the picture of an airliner. After a delay, the pilot went back to the gate and ordered Gilmore off the jet.

While his case moves through court, Gilmore has remained grounded when it comes to domestic travel.

He hired friends to drive him to San Diego and across the country to attend board meetings of corporate and non-profit groups. He took a driving vacation to Oregon. Invited to a family reunion in Massachusetts, he thought of chartering a private plane but balked at the $33,000 price.

"Yes, it can be inconvenient at times," Gilmore said of his fight against the ID requirement. "But I believe I'm right."
 
Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye out and see how this goes. He does have some valid points.
 
He will lose. There have been other "attempts" on things like this and basically since you do NOT have to use the airline to get someplace the rulings generally go that you have a choice to travel without your ID or something like that.

Not to mention that since the airlines are private business they could ask before 9/11 for an ID to match it to the ticket. (And did so that I could not buy a cheap fare and the pass it on if I could not use it!)
 
There are some interesting points here. Here is a side story that probably wouldn't fly in today's world! Years ago my MIL spent her winters in Ft. Lauderdale. She would buy a R/T ticket from NY and fly down. I would drive her car down and use the return ticket. And then in spring do the same thing in reverse. Never was asked for ID. But, that was a long time ago!
 

This is what happens when someone has a combination of too much money, too much ego and too much free time. A slight inconvenience becomes a constitutional issue and our tax dollars get spent on indulging this guy's fantasy that he is some kind of crusader for truth, justice and the American way.

I'd be more sympathetic if he spent his money on a cape and a costume.
 
John is a very interesting guy, has done a lot of things that I agree with and admire, and a lot of things that, frankly, are just plain nuts. This is one of those in the second category, particularly because the airlines would do this even if the government didn't make them---there is too much value to them in eliminating the ability to transfer tickets between people.

If you are familiar with the GNU or Linux crowds, John can be explained succinctly as "one of them." He is dogmatically in favor of freedom of information (free as in speech, not free as in beer.)

His home page is worth a read: http://www.toad.com/gnu/
 
Originally posted by Jestocost
This is what happens when someone has a combination of too much money, too much ego and too much free time. A slight inconvenience becomes a constitutional issue and our tax dollars get spent on indulging this guy's fantasy that he is some kind of crusader for truth, justice and the American way.

I'd be more sympathetic if he spent his money on a cape and a costume.

Couldn't agree more.
 
Since there ARE other options of traveling anonymously (you could always drive, ya know!) and he is taking public transportation, I don't see how he is in the right on this one.

He does have a point, though. Anyone that would hijack an airplane would most likely have a fake i.d. Still, at least we are trying to do something about it, I guess.

I do have more sympathy for those that find themselves on watch lists or "no fly" lists for what seems to be political reasons that have nothing to do with security, like the examples in the OP's article. If a person is so dangerous as to not allow them to fly, shouldn't they be questioned or arrested by the police? And if you ARE on the list, and you're a US citizen, you should know WHY and have the right to challenge that decision.
 
Interesting indeed.
Of course, If something of a terrorist nature did happen to his flight, those who agree with him would likely be the first to weep and wail, and with rightous indignation demand to know "why we didn't do something to prevent it". Why didn't they demand a photo, they'd say. How could anyone get on a flight without a proper ID??? And so on.

That's all this is. A modest, legitimate attempt to do something to prevent terrorism. It's not unreasonable or outrageous in any way. It may or may not work--but if it helps at all and makes it harder for terrorists to succede--I'm for it. That "balance" between civil liberties and security may have to tip a bit in the security direction in times of crisis and war--which this is.
Gilmore--an instant security expert on what works and what dosen't--seems more than willing to trade a bit of his own "personal" privacy for the security of others. Sadly, the Federal Courts in California are quite likely to agree---.

Good old Pogo had it right--we have met the enemy and they is us.
 
Personal opinion: TSA is intended primarily to convince people flying is safe, not actually making flying safer.

Any garden variety criminal can forge a convincing ID, particularly when it's an airport employee checking ID (as it is in 90% of the airports I've been through) not an admittedly much-better trained TSA employee. Heck, you can buy a fake ID in nearly any college town for a few tens of dollars, thanks to economies of scale. Plenty of 19 year olds in the market. :rolleyes:
 
I think this guy is off his rocker! I would gladly be xrayed and all my belongings hand searched each and every flight in order to ensure there were no terrorists or bombs on my flight!!

Carol
 
Originally posted by Chicago526
...I do have more sympathy for those that find themselves on watch lists or "no fly" lists for what seems to be political reasons that have nothing to do with security, like the examples in the OP's article. If a person is so dangerous as to not allow them to fly, shouldn't they be questioned or arrested by the police? And if you ARE on the list, and you're a US citizen, you should know WHY and have the right to challenge that decision.
Originally posted by SeashoreCM
...The lawsuit should have been saved for someone who was denied flying after properly showing his ID when that person had nothing dangerous about him at the moment.
Having to present ID is one of those things we all agree to so we can live in a civilized society, and it is nowhere near an "unreasonable search" as defined in the Constitution, IMO.

However, I agree that the real concern here is ppl ending up on the "No Fly" list in error, or perhaps those who might have a common name. For example, Sen. Teddy Kennedy found himself on the No Fly list, and it took him some three weeks to get off of it. When we bought our house, there was someone with a very similar name (well actually an alias) who was also from Maine, who had gone bankrupt in Florida; now it only delayed our paperwork for a couple of days, but I'd hate to think if this guy had gone the Timothy McVeigh route, and my name had ended up on the list. It really is outrageous that a couple of pacifists from San Francisco should end up on the "No Fly" list, as they are no danger to anyone.

So the question is: how does one find out if they are on the "No Fly" list? Do we have a right to find out this information? And if on it by mistake, how do we remove our names?
 














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