A warning...

I'm a newbie here also but it seems to me that, as good as Disney is with all the multimedia stuff, that they could give really good "visual" tours by way of powerpoint presentations, videos, etc. to their trainees. I mean, just look what they do at their website..couldn't they just elaborate on the different areas during training. If they can't afford to give real tours, this would be a good substitute!

The CM's motto needs to be "First, do no harm." We all understand if they don't know something but to give false or bad information is horrible...previous poster is correct, there is a lot of money and time involved in our vacation planning.
 
i believe the 14 th floor is at the CR cotemporary
they ahve a cong service onthe 12th and 14th floor but they have DIFFEREnt OFFERINGS
I BELIEVE if i am wrong I know someone will correct me
 
Welcome Max! You will learn SO much from the Disboards.

14th Flr Concierge is at the Contemporary. But since I have never stayed there, or actually inquired about staying there I'm not sure what the difference is between it and the 12th FLR concierge (which is what the other posters were talking about). I'm sure someone will help you out here.

Coronodo Springs is considered a moderate resort, which means no concierge. It is a beautiful resort and I would love to stay there some day.

Depending on the hotel you choose to stay at there are numerous views. Usually the deluxes (that are closest to the parks) have amazing views of the parks. Moderates can range from a beach to a pool to a parking lot. You will usually have to pay extra for a better view. Allearsnet.com has photos of all the hotel rooms and I think some of the views. Its worth a look!

Feel free to ask anyone here for more specific advice. Thats why we're all here!
 
maxiv said:
might be a stupid question (?!) but what IS so special about the 14 floor ? is it only in grand floridian (GF?) or also in coronado springs ? as you can see, i'm a newbie :-)

does anyone have a plan where you can see what you can see from you room windows when you look outside so i know what to tell them where to book the room for me ?

regards
max

At the Contemporary resort they offer two levels of concierge service. The first is on the 12th floor, it's concierge light. There is breakfast and afternoon snacks, but the concierge desk isn't manned as long, and there's no appetizers or cordials.

On the 14th floor is a much higher level of service. There are only 16 rooms on that floor, if I'm not mistaken 6 are regular rooms and 10 are suites. So the level of service jumps dramatically. The rooms have a lot of extras--the minifridge is stocked with soda and juice and bottled water. There are DVD players and VCR's in each room, and I want to think a CD player. The "offerings" in the lounge are varied and plentiful, and you can get wine/beer/cordials.

They have a similar distinction at the Granf Floridian. Lodge Concierge is in the Sugar Loaf Building, and although it's not totally concierge light, there are some distinct differences in the level of service, also no alcohol. The Royal Palm Club in the main building is full concierge with extended levels of service and amenities.

The two levels have a prety large gap between them pricewise, but my husband and I feel that if we're going to spend that much to begin with, we'd rather either have the full srevice, or just book a regular room and save the money.

There is no concierge level available at Coronado Springs or any of the value or moderate resorts.

Anne
 

Alicnwondrln said:
i believe the 14 th floor is at the CR cotemporary
they ahve a cong service onthe 12th and 14th floor but they have DIFFEREnt OFFERINGS
I BELIEVE if i am wrong I know someone will correct me
Yes...you are correct 14th floor is at the CR and is conceirge and 12th floor is also a conceirge at CR but I believe is "limited" if I'm remembering correctly...so not quite as many offerings & services but still a step above booking regular rooms and still more expensive.

But this is just the point...there are not only different levels from standard view to preferred/water views at ALL the resorts but then you need to add in that there are different levels as well for concierge guests and CM's should be trained to know the differences. :rolleyes:

Not only are there conceirge rooms available at the different resorts but also as you can see by the example of 14th floor CR conceirge(or tower club - whatever they call it) and 12th floor conceirge that they are indeed different - but then you have the same type situation at the GF with main bldng and Lodge conceirge catagories being different....for what they charge they should be taking some of that money to train the CM's correctly! :sad2:
 
Well, I think a real easy thing to do to help solve this, and pretty inexpensive for Disney, would be to have books/binders printed up and given to each CM at CRO, where each page is a map of each resort, listing the building names, what room types are in that building, which floors are concierge, where the suites are, things like that. So that if someone was inquiring about booking a certain room type, they could just flip to that page, and would know if what is popping up in the computer is the correct type. This simple thing would have probably prevented the OP's problem, if the CM had a map to look at, and say, "Oh, look, Lodge Tower concierge is THIS building, I see what the guest is saying."
 
I justed completed a CRO survey and my gist was exactly the same: the CRO training is inadequate and I often know more than they do. I did not use names, though I had them, because I didn't want to single anyone out.

I hope the Disney poobahs actually read those surveys too.
 
I honestly think they should have 2 CRO lines - one for people who pay full price, and another for people who use discounts. Put the expert CROCM's on the full price line and the other, less experienced CROCM's on the discount line. Then, in terms of service, you'd actually get what you paid for.
 
ducklite said:
This is NOT a bash against the peole in CRO. They can only know what they are trained to know, and offer information that they've been given.

Last night I called to book a room at WDW. I specifically asked for GF, Main Building, RPC. The woman I spoke to was new, she told me she was. Several tiems she ahd to put me on hold to check with her coach on how to do something. She came back and told me she was booking me into Lodge Tower concierge. I told her that was not main building, it was in Sugar Loaf. She again asked me to hold, then came back and told me that her coach agreed it was main building. I told her I'd think about it and hung up.

I called back and spoke with a guy who told me that there were no rooms in the main building. So I asked for 14th Foor at the CR. He told me he could give me a room in the "Tower Club". That's the 12th Floor I tell him. He then tells me there is no difference! Again I told him I'd have to call back and hung up.

I gave up for the night and called this morning. Got Dalio who has been with CRO for over seven years and she knew her stuff. She agreed that both of the others had been wrong, and was able to find several rooms in the GF RPC as well as 14th Floor at the CR. I booked the GF RPC which I had wanted to begin with.

My point is that the other CM's had obviously not been properly trained, and/or the materials they had were incorrect. Can you imagine if I didn't know the correct information and arrived expecting something I didn't book? I'm really wondering if that is the root of many problems that people have at check-in.

Disney Executives--if you are reading this (And I know you do...) PLEASE, get your people better training! It might take a couple extra hours of training time, but you'll have much better guest service and happier guests in the long run!

Anne
Oh, Anne...what a frustrating nightmare!:sad2: So sorry to read you too have recently experienced numerous problems with this department. I phoned last week just to "check" on some possible reservation scenarios and availability to add to our summer plans. I came away with a similar amount of angst. :confused3 I then called back the next morning, and had no problem obtaining the "correct" information necessary from a very well-trained and Knowledgeable CRO. :goodvibes

From now on, the first question I will ask the WDW CRO is exactly "how long" have they been employed in the reservation department?!? :banana: My time (as I'm sure most everyone else is included in this statement) is simply TOO valuable to "waste" on the phone with an inexperienced CRO. I do not believe it is my position to "educate" these employees though a series of silly, nonsensical questions regarding basic FACTS they should ALREADY know!! I have very little (okay...ZERO) tolerance for blatent incompetence, and did precisely as you wrote. I terminated the call asap with the "lost" lamb associate, fully consigned to phone AGAIN. :rolleyes:

I too, ponder what happens to the less-experienced/informed prospective guest during such an encounter. Do they reserve the "Tower Club" believing there's NO difference??? :rotfl2: :rotfl: I believe many actually do, resulting in a series of problems. I've stayed "both" and there is a DEFINITE difference!

PLEASE DISNEY...GET IT TOGETHER (in this dept). ;) Perhaps TAPE each and every call, and link the respective CRO by # to each inquiry (in the database). Each caller should receive a specific #/ID, which could be traced and reviewed by supervisors if necessary (the entire conversation and information exchange). This would not be very difficult, especially considering the tremendous amount of technology available to such a massive & powerful company.

I also must agree with the general consensus of the underlying opinions posted on this thread. There seems to be a horrid lack of "proficiency" in our market-driven world, where customer service takes a back seat to enterprise/profit. Last week, my new mortgage company paid my county taxes, AGAIN. I "pre-paid" these myself prior to setting up the new account/escrow funds during my recent refinance. What a mess! Due to their error, I had to visit the Co. Tax office yesterday, and begin the refund process (which takes the county another 8+ weeks!). This is my bi-annual tax payment, to the tune of thousands of dollars. I truly detest mopping-up after such atrocious blunders...which could have been easily avoided with one simple call! :confused3 Incredible.

TigrLvsPooh~GREAT suggestion...but then again, all the other "clueless" CRO's would never receive ANY calls!!! :rotfl2: :teeth: :sad2: I'm sure this is why this system has never been implemented.

Shells9~I truly believe some of the CRO's are baffled/confused by the "acronyms" we tend to use (ie: CRT, PS for CGF, etc) as experienced WDW guests! Also, it's nearly second-nature (subliminal) for us to use these terms and abbreviations when requesting a reservation, as we consistently utilize them on this forum. Perhaps they should have a "cheat-sheet" next to the phone/computer, with every possibly combo for this type of colloquialism usage! (LOL). :p

IMHO...the BEST way to improve upon SOME of the problems associated with Anne's unfortunate experience, would be to permit the CONCIERGE STAFF of each WDW resort to personally make all reservations for their own department/section. Many of the upscale resorts I frequent employ this very method. It's so wonderful, as the staff is small and personable. I am able to phone the concierge desk directly to facilitate my requests. It's a fabulously satisfying and rewarding experience, as all are extremely proficient. They actually ask ME questions (ie: Would you like a butler for your suite? Will you be needing limo or other transport to/from the AP? Do you have any special requests of requirements? ETC). :wizard: The concierge staff at these properties carry their own business cards, and handle the same clients for years. It creates a mutually beneficial relationship for the resort and guests.

Thanks again Anne, for posting this subject for discussion/review. I hope the execs read the entire thread, and make some overdue renovations to the Central Reservations department. The simple basic scientific concept of OCKAM'S RAZOR should promptly be applied by the "almighty MOUSE~powers" that be. :cloud9:
 
DREAMFLIGHT99, I'm not sure that is the best solution. If somebody called me at my office and the first thing they did was ask me how long I'd had my job, I'd probably take offense to that. When I'm dealing with clients, I try to treat them all as well as I can, but if somebody sets me off before we even begin speaking, they don't always get 100% out of me.
 
BostonRob said:
I honestly think they should have 2 CRO lines - one for people who pay full price, and another for people who use discounts. Put the expert CROCM's on the full price line and the other, less experienced CROCM's on the discount line. Then, in terms of service, you'd actually get what you paid for.

I don't know that this would be a good way to approach it either.

I wouldn't mind having a way to punch a number if you are interested in suite or concierge accomodations so you get a person who is fluent in those though--that might make a lot of sense.

Anne
 
BostonRob said:
DREAMFLIGHT99, I'm not sure that is the best solution. If somebody called me at my office and the first thing they did was ask me how long I'd had my job, I'd probably take offense to that. When I'm dealing with clients, I try to treat them all as well as I can, but if somebody sets me off before we even begin speaking, they don't always get 100% out of me.
So sorry Rob, the "dancing banana" was added to reflect my facetious tone. Of course, I would never actually DO such a thing! This is the problem with these darned posts...the lack of "concise expression" lends to confusion. My apologies for any offensive misperceptions with regards to that sentence. ;)
 
ducklite said:
I wouldn't mind having a way to punch a number if you are interested in suite or concierge accomodations so you get a person who is fluent in those though--that might make a lot of sense.
:hug: From your keyboard to God's ears! (We're still free to DREAM, right Anne?). ;)
 
thank you very much ziggystardust and ducklite !! you really helped me though im not intereste in concierge for that i'm in disney world to enjoy the shows and rides and not the food (well ok, i still like food :rolleyes1 )

some more two questions :
what does CM and CRO mean ? i tried do figure it out but didn't mention to...quite hard for a german 18year old guy ;)

regards
max
 
CM - Cast Member, which is Disneyspeak for a Disney employee
CRO - Central Reservation Office, where you book your reservation through

Now please correct me if I am wrong but used to be that you called the CRO to book a room only reservation. This is not longer the case as all calls go through Disney Reservations Center. So it is possible that the term is defunct.

IMO on this matter, I have become accustomed to hanging up and starting over if I get a CM (or anyone) that does not seem to get it. It usually ends up that I will end up with someone better who is more knowledgeable and will get me what I want. It's a good idea, too, to have a separate number to accomodate suite/concierge.
 
Welcome to the Dis, Max. CM is an abbreviation for Cast Member (Disney employee) and CRO is an abbreviation for Central Reservations Office. If you go to Dis Board abbreviations you'll find a list of the ones used frquently in these forums.
 
Anne,

I think WDW should hire you as a consultant. I really do. Your advice is always good and focused on quality. Those of us who are WDW veterans know to hang up and try again. But, that's not the long-term solution.

-Gabrielle
 
Anne--I sent a letter to Disney saying the exact same thing. They need a separate number you punch if you want a "specialty room" either concierge or a suite. I was on the phone trying to book GF RPC for over an hour last month for our December trip. The CM I spoke with had NO idea, had me booked in Sugar Loaf, then finally found the RPC rooms and told me that we wouldn't fit in one because there were five of us and they only slept four and there was not way for him to book the room for me. Wouldn't it be nice if we could contact the knowledgable CMs at the appropriate IPO to book our room? It is nice that you can now access suites and all the concierge rooms through the website, but if you have to alter anything or use an AP discount, it's a pain.
 
When planning our upcoming trip in July I had to call WDW twice just to clarify that our 2 rooms at Pop were connecting not adjoining. Its a good thing I knew the difference or we would have been very disappointed. The first CRO was very nice but she just didn't understand what I was asking for. The second CRO straightened everything out and made sure our ressies said the second room was for minor children.


(Only at WDW does adjoining mean 2 rooms side by side and connecting means 2 rooms with a door between them.)
 
southtexasmom said:
(Only at WDW does adjoining mean 2 rooms side by side and connecting means 2 rooms with a door between them.)

No, that's standard hospitality industry terminolgy.

Anne
 


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