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Hi Kristin! My kids had a terrific day! It sounds like yours did too.

DD got her first kiss today, from her boyfriend! She said now she has to marry him. :rotfl2: She is only 5 and already boy crazy. I just don't get it!! It's very sweet now, but in a short time it's not going to be so sweet.


Hey Abby,

Happy Hearts Day!!!!!! That is too cute!!!!!!!!
 

Hey Abby,

Happy Hearts Day!!!!!! That is too cute!!!!!!!!

:love:

DH took her in to school today because he had to drop some stuff off for me. He got to see her boyfriend, and he said that the little boy was telling DH "I like her". He even drew her a picture that we taped on her bedroom door. DH said he was a pretty cute kid. :laughing: But DD did say two other boys in her class keep telling her to break up with him. Uh oh, hopefully they don't start fighting over her. LOL It's all so sweet really. I told her I got my first kiss from a boy when I was 5 too. puckerup:
 
That's just terrible, but nice that there were so many people. How is your dad doing Nikki?

Yeah, it was very sad. My Dad is home now, he was supposed to call his doctor today for an appt, of course he didn't. My mom will probably have to do it for him. He said he feels fine, he looks alot better. My grandmother came up to watch him, I know that is crazy, but she will probably out live my whole family. She is 89, lives by herself, drives from Virginia(about a 7hr trip), and takes no medication. (oh- and she carries a loaded gun in her purse at all times:scared1: ) Sonetimes she brings "white lightnin" from Va.:scared1: for my Dad in sealed Sprite bottles. She is too much!!!
 
Bridget is a bit ditsy for me.. But I'll be her.. But I do not want the dog Wednesday.. I want a real dog and the cat has to go too!!!!:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

That dog of Kendra's is crazy too, I don't like animals so I'd have to get rid of all of them!!!:goodvibes
Oh, Puffin!!!
 
Yeah, it was very sad. My Dad is home now, he was supposed to call his doctor today for an appt, of course he didn't. My mom will probably have to do it for him. He said he feels fine, he looks alot better. My grandmother came up to watch him, I know that is crazy, but she will probably out live my whole family. She is 89, lives by herself, drives from Virginia(about a 7hr trip), and takes no medication. (oh- and she carries a loaded gun in her purse at all times:scared1: ) Sonetimes she brings "white lightnin" from Va.:scared1: for my Dad in sealed Sprite bottles. She is too much!!!

Your grandmother sounds like a hoot!!!!! What a women,,!!!!!!!!
 
:love:

DH took her in to school today because he had to drop some stuff off for me. He got to see her boyfriend, and he said that the little boy was telling DH "I like her". He even drew her a picture that we taped on her bedroom door. DH said he was a pretty cute kid. :laughing: But DD did say two other boys in her class keep telling her to break up with him. Uh oh, hopefully they don't start fighting over her. LOL It's all so sweet really. I told her I got my first kiss from a boy when I was 5 too. puckerup:

Awwww!!!:cloud9:
 
Just passing through to say hello - anyone hear of this (below) lately?

U.S. Plans to Shoot Down Broken Spy Satellite

By Marc Kaufman Washington Post Staff Writer

President Bush, acting on the advice of his national security advisers, has decided to attempt to shoot down a malfunctioning spy satellite that is expected to crash to the Earth by early next month.

National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said the president made the decision recently and asked the military to come up with plans to destroy the satellite -- the first attempted shoot-down of its kind.

In an afternoon press conference, Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that a Navy missile will be fired at the satellite as it enters the atmosphere. He said that the missile "has a reasonably high opportunity for success," although the window for shooting down the spacecraft is quite small.

Deputy National Security Adviser James F. Jeffrey said that the decision was based on the fact that the satellite is carrying a substantial amount of a hazardous rocket fuel, hydrazine.

He said that the fuel tanks were not expected to explode on their own as the satellite hit the atmosphere and could fall to Earth, leak their toxic gas and injure people. Officials said that the danger zone would spread for about two football fields. "This is all about trying to reduce the danger to human beings," he said.

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I was just reading about this somewhere in the morning and chatting with a fellow parent of one of Juliannas' friends at school today. we were speculating on how much of this was forthright and true - as well as what the consequences were really gonna be.

I felt the administration was NOT gonna impact the 5,000 KH-13 spy satillite much with 3 strike attempts from a SM1 missle... modified with probably NO explosive to ad the fuel and a modified guidance head - just a hope for a high velocity IMPACT to crumple it.

AND I speculated the administation was trying to MATCH the antisatillite capability the Chinese government demonstrated a couple of years ago when it struck an old wetather satillite with anti-satillite missles.

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The KH-13 is a name used by observers of U.S. military space programs to refer to a class of imaging reconnaissance satellite operated by the United States. The KH-13 is the putative successor to the "KH-12" IMINT satellites, the last of which was launched in 1999.

Interpretations
Almost everything about these satellites is classified; observers acknowledge that "KH-13" is probably not the program's "real" name. KH-13 may or may not be the same project as 8X, later rechristened as EIS (Enhanced Imaging System), and may or may not involve satellite stealth technology (see Misty). Some believe that the 8X/EIS project is different from the KH-13. Observers have also speculated that the newer satellites might be an enhanced version of the KH-12 that extends its observations into the infrared, or that uses radar. The "KH-13" satellites probably have a shape similar to that of the Hubble Space Telescope—a shape its predecessors (e.g. KH-11) are believed to have as well.

In 1995, a Los Angeles Times article reported that the 8X program was intended as "a major upgrade to the KH-12". However, the 8X was reported to depart from the KH-12 in that the 8X was speculated to weigh 20 tons. The 8X was reported as fulfilling a detailed wide-field-of-view imaging role. The cost of the program was a subject of disagreement from some within the military at the time.[1] [2]

The KH-11/12/13 series are planned to be replaced by the planned Future Imagery Architecture digital imaging spacecraft. The contract for these planned spacecraft was initially awarded to Boeing in 1999, but in September 2005 the contract was shifted to Lockheed after cost overruns and delays of the delivery date.[3]


[edit] Public observations
Amateur satellite observers have identified several satellites in sun-synchronous orbits which might be new IMINT satellites:

USA-144 was launched on 22 May 1999 by a Titan-IV from Vandenberg AFB. NSSDC ID1999-028A. Idenfitied as KH12-4 in NASA's database, it is sometimes identified as part of the Misty program.
USA-161 was launched on 5 October 2001 by a Titan-IV from Vandenberg AFB. NSSDC ID 2001-044A
USA-182 was launched on 30 April 2005 by a Titan-IVB from Vandenberg AFB. NSSDC ID 2005-16A
USA-186 was launched on 19 October 2005 by a Titan-IV from Vandenberg AFB. NSSDC ID 2005-042A [4]
USA 193, also known as NRO launch 21 (NROL-21) was launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base[5] on December 14, 2006 by a Delta II-7920 rocket.[6] Less than a month after its launch, it was reported that a U.S. spy satellite, probably this one, had lost all contact with the ground.[7] On January 29, 2008, an AP story quoted a U.S. Air Force general, who stated that intact pieces of the satellite "might re-enter into the North American area".[8] 2006-057A

[edit] In popular culture
The KH-13 is also the subject of Bruce Sterling's science fiction book The Zenith Angle, released in April 2004. Since the capabilities of the real satellites are not publicly known, it is impossible to compare the abilities of those described in the book are to those of the real surveillance satellites.

BTW... I think it's a KH-13 as the US only seems to have 2 spy satillites commonly in use today. This sat was launched in late 2006 - immediately sufferred a CPU failure subsequently declared a total loss a couple months later. It NEVER achieved the orbit insertion intended. SO - it was a dismal failure. It has been cited as weighing 5,000 pounds and the KH-12 weighs much more ... 19,600 kilos ... or roughly 40,000 pounds or 20 short tons. SO... I am guesing it's a KH-13 we're gonna shoot at.

Below is an image / cutaway diagram of a KH-12

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Remember... all this info is TOP SECRET - so don't tell anyone otherwise we'll send a CIA hit squad to erase your memory of all this.​
 
I,, hear ya. Then when I put them to bed tonight they asked what holiday is next....????UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hey K!

How ya doin'? I was just chattin with a grandmom at tonites' indoor soccer session and we were chatting about how good the kids seem to have it compared to when we were younger. I guess that's a good thing, eh?

OK.... I'm off for Costco - then off tomorrow for skiing and sledding at Big Bear for the weekend. We rented a house to share with good friends and I'll surf the web from there as we have high speed lines - and I'm bringing my WiFi gate so connections anywhere will be a breeze!

TTFN!
 
Crash,

Glad to see you around here tonight.. How was your Valentine's Day????
 
Hi Crash,

Yep, I heard about it.
Pretty close to taking a pea shooter and trying to hit a moving ping pong ball.
 
Crash,

Glad to see you around here tonight.. How was your Valentine's Day????

V day was mildly hurried ... we're getting ready to go ... and yesterday a close friend (Mom our age with 2 year old) had urgent brain surgery to remove a 2CM tumor - last year she had a kidney removed due to renal cancer - and last year it had been cited that she had a 20% chance for 2 years of survival. SO - it's really sad and we're pretty close to her beautiful family. Sad - but she came through surgery well - currently in ICU and going home saturday maybe. Aside from that - it's been OK.

A few days ago we booked flights to Honolulu for Christmas... we snagged the lowest air fare we've EVER had for travel from Christmas to New Years... we only paid $352 per person including ALL fees! And, we're waiting to hear back on those "FREE FLIGHT" deals from the Dockers promotion - to fly into Boston in June ... ideally the 13th to 21st. However, they asked us to submit a range of dates for travel + a couple alternate cities ... which we listed as being NYC and WDC. And in may we're scheduled to return to Vegas, and in March we'll hit Yosemite in the tail end of Winter hopefully. So we have some lite travel scheduled - along side the 15 day DCL REPO in August.

Hi Crash,

Yep, I heard about it.
Pretty close to taking a pea shooter and trying to hit a moving ping pong ball.

Correction: Not CIA....NRO. The National Reconnaissance Office is the DOD agency responsible for designing, buiding and operating intel satellites and other aerial platforms. They work closely with/for CIA, NSA, NGA etc. Actually, they don't build the birds themselves, they rely on their contractors (TRW is #1) for that.

Now, as for the bird that coming down and the specific armament they're going to deploy...yeah, I am SO not getting into that unless/until multiple public news sources publish that information ;)

Well...

.. the Pentagon says they will use a trio of SM-3 missle launched from 3 AEGIS guided missle cruisers -normally with a 100 mile upper range limit - they will be modified to reach 150 miles attitude. Currently the satillite is at 168 miles but dropping 6/10th a mile a day at an accelerating rate. The hypersonic kenetic impact should be enough to destry it - however, they're concerned with shatterring the frozen 1000 pound hydrazine fuel tank. They can observe from ground if the tank has been shatterred.

This is fascinating in that they have deployed a LOT of antimissle capability already on our AEGIS guided missle cruisers. Now that's something I'm mildly impressed by - as a latent defensive capability already cruising off our coasts to protect us from the unthinkable.


Pentagon officials said it was that safety concern, rather than the intention to test a potential anti-satellite weapon, which led them to develop the plan for a missile intercept. They hope the impact of the warhead on a modified Standard Missile-3, or SM-3, will shatter the satellite — and particularly the spherical hydrazine tank. The first shot could occur as early as next week, after the space shuttle Atlantis' return from its mission to the international space station.

Would a direct hit be required? Experts on space debris told msnbc.com that even a glancing blow would likely be enough. The force of a missile hitting an orbiting object is much more violent than the force of a bullet striking a target, or even an anti-aircraft missile hitting an airplane. In the space case, the tremendous speed of the impact carries so much kinetic energy that both vehicles literally explode due to the hypersonic shock waves sweeping through their structures.

If the missile strike leads to such a disintegration, sharp observers should be able to spot the ice fragments from the fuel tank. As the fragments evaporate in direct sunlight, they could create mini-comets visible from Earth’s surface, lasting for hours before dispersing.

Pentagon officials said the intercept would occur within range of military optical and radar sensors. Their goal would be to confirm the existence of dispersed hydrazine in the debris. If the sensors don't show the fuel dispersing, missile operators would target the fragment judged most likely to be the still-surviving fuel tank. A second shot could occur within a day or two of the first.

Giving the missiles a boost
Last week's orbital readings indicated that the satellite was circling Earth at an altitude between 160 and 168 miles (255 and 268 kilometers) and descending at an increasing rate, currently about six-tenths of a mile (1 kilometer) per day. Gen. Cartwright said the intercept would be attempted when the satellite descended to about 150 miles (240 kilometers).

The SM-3 has typically been used for testing the Pentagon's missile defense system, and reaches a nominal maximum altitude of just 100 miles (160 kilometers). For the satellite intercept, three missiles — one each on three different AEGIS-class Navy cruisers — will be modified to reach the higher altitude.



The SM-3 KW is a highly modular, compact, space tested kinetic warhead designed to defend against short to intermediate range ballistic missile attacks. Raytheon has engineered two prior generations of LEAP designs starting in 1985 under contracts with SDIO and BMDO. This third generation LEAP design integrates the teamed experience of Raytheon and Boeing in KW designs and Alliant Techsystems’ expertise in Solid Divert and Attitude Control. The SM-3 KW design features a large aperture wide field of view long wave infrared seeker that provides acquisition ranges greater than 300 km against typical ballistic missile threats. Seeker pointing and intercept guidance are supported by a production IFOG Inertial Measurement Unit and wooden round simplicity of the SDACS propulsion providing over 2 miles of terminal divert capability. The KW includes a fully encrypted data downlink capability for full engineering evaluation of KW performance and to support rapid kill assessment.

The SM-3 evolves from the proven SM-2 Block IV design. SM-3 uses the same booster and dual thrust rocket motor as the Block IV missile for the first and second stages and the same steering control section and midcourse missile guidance for maneuvering in the atmosphere. To support the extended range of an exo-atmospheric intercept, additional missile thrust is provided in a new third stage for the SM-3 missile, containing a dual pulse rocket motor for the early exo-atmospheric phase of flight and a Lightweight Exo-Atmospheric Projectile (LEAP) Kinetic Warhead (KW) for the intercept phase. Upon second stage separation, the first pulse burn of the Third Stage Rocket Motor (TSRM) provides the axial thrust to maintain the missile’s trajectory into the exo-atmosphere. Upon entering the exo-atmosphere, the third stage coasts. The TSRM’s attitude control system maneuvers the third stage to eject the nosecone, exposing the KW’s Infrared (IR) seeker. If the third stage requires a course correction for an intercept, the rocket motor begins the second pulse burn. Upon completion of the second pulse burn, the IR seeker is calibrated and the KW ejects. The KW possesses its own attitude control system and guidance commands are acted upon by a solid divert propulsion system. The IR seeker acquires the target. Tracking information is continuously transmitted to the guidance assembly which controls the divert propulsion system.

Discrimination algorithms enable defense systems to compare objects in a target scene to determine which to intercept. Increasingly complex threats with separated target elements, countermeasures, and debris, require advanced signal processing and discrimination algorithms to identify object features needed to provide robust target selection. SM-3 has flown and demonstrated fundamental discrimination capability for unitary threats.


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[above]The surrogate kinetic warhead (KW) for the Navy's theater wide missile defense system is seen here travelling at about 6,600 feet per second during a successful test conducted on June 24, 1999 at the high speed test track at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. (Official U.S. Navy photo)


The U.S. Navy successfully tested a surrogate STANDARD Missile-3 (SM-3) Kinetic Warhead (KW) for its theater wide missile defense system. The test was the last in a series of four developmental sled tests conducted at the High Speed Test Track at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.

The test series was conducted to develop a new technique for lethality testing of the exo-atmospheric SM-3 KW on the ground where test conditions can be better controlled. The new technique also allows high speed full-scale testing of the SM-3 KW at representative Navy Theater Wide (NTW) system intercept speeds. A kinetic warhead destroys its target with the shear force of its impact, while a conventional warhead relies on the force of an explosion to help destroy a target. Since the actual SM-3 KW could not withstand the G-forces associated with high-speed sled testing, a "surrogate" was developed with the same size, shape, and weight, but with some of the mass redistributed to add strength.

The June 24, 1999 final developmental sled test in the series was a full-up high speed checkout test (HSCT), which demonstrated a high-speed impact of a full-scale SM-3 KW surrogate travelling at about 6,600 feet per second against a replica Tactical Ballistic Missile (TBM) payload. The HSCT was a complete success, not only demonstrating development of the new technique, but also demonstrating SM-3 lethality against the replica payload. The results of the HSCT, combined with ongoing analysis supported by modeling and simulation, and upcoming flight tests against similar threat targets, demonstrates the U.S. Navy's continuing progress toward fielding an effective Theater Wide TBMD capability.

The Program Executive Office for Theater Surface Combatants in Arlington, Va., sponsors the development and production of the SM-3 missile. The Navy Theater Wide Program Office (PMS 452) is responsible for program management and oversight. The Navy Standard Missile Office (PMS 422) acts as the overall program executing agent. The Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren Division, executes the testing and analysis program through the High Speed Test Track at Holloman Air Force Base. Battelle Inc. manufactures the Kinetic Warhead surrogate in Huntsville, Ala., with instrumentation and engineering support supplied by SECOTEC in Huntsville, Ala. Raytheon Systems Company manufactures the SM-3 Missile in Tucson, Ariz. and in Camden, Ark.


So I guess I simply never heard of the SM-3 missle before today.
 
Here's a little something that really cracked me up tonite ...

Oh my dear God...

this was hilarious!

WHY MEN ARE NEVER DEPRESSED:


Men Are Just Happier People-- What do you expect from such simple creatures? Your last name stays put. The garage is all yours. Wedding plans take care of themselves. Chocolate is just another snack. You can be President. You can never be pregnant. You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park. You can wear NO shirt to a water park. Car mechanics tell you the truth. The world is your urinal.. You never have to drive to another gas station restroom because this one is just too icky. You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt. Same work, more pay. Wrinkles add character. Wedding dress $5000. Tux rental-$100. People never stare at your chest when you're talking to them. New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet. One mood all the time.

Phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat. You know stuff about tanks.. A five-day vacation requires only one suitcase. You can open all your own jars. You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness. If someone forgets to invite you, he or she can still be your friend.

Your underwear is $8.95 for a three-pack. Three pairs of shoes are more than enough. You almost never have strap problems in public. You are unable to see wrinkles in your clothes. Everything on your face stays its original color. The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades. You only have to shave your face and neck.

You can play with toys all your life. One wallet and one pair of shoes -- one color for all seasons. You can wear shorts no matter how your legs look. You can "do" your nails with a pocket knife. You have freedom of choice concerning growing a mustache.

You can do Christmas shopping for 25 relatives on December 24 in 25 minutes..

No wonder men are happier.

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I hate to admit how much of the funnier things sound like ME.

I gotta turn in now .... hope all has been wonderful for everyone today - V day!
 
What a riot! I don't think I show on many meet threads like this! LOL!

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