2027 Points Charts Predictions

[Sandisw]

Hm, considering the balance they need to keep this might be 'yes' in theory but 'no' in practice. I guess we would need more information on the actual composition of units to play this out in detail. Are there any sources for this? If had a look at some declarations but I couldn't find what I was looking for.

You have to go to each declaration to see the plans for each unit and number of rooms.

I can’t easily find the points associated with it but I assume it’s out there somewhere because DVC news publishes the total points with each declaration, including number of units and room sizes.

They don’t break it down further though. I only know how many points exist in the units I own and what rooms are part of those units.

Anytime they do point charts, we do have people evaluate them to make sure total matches.

But, you are correct that some of what they could do doesn’t mean they will do it.

As I mentioned, there is nothing published by DVC that identifies which rooms are which views. Not sure if it can be requested or not.

 

[DoubleBaconBLT]

Were there any significant moves in the last 5 years?

Could there be changes at AKL with the refurb? 1 point chart for Kidani rooms and another one for Jambo rooms?

Nah, the refurbs are on a schedule. Soft refurb every 7 years, hard refurb every 14. I don't think a refurb would impact it at all.

 

[DoubleBaconBLT]

Technically, no, because there are Units that have only one or the other, and the Home Resort Vacation Points in any Unit are required to remain constant in a given year. But that hasn't stopped them before---they have reallocated across Units in the past.

I do not think it will happen, though. I think in part because DVCMC had to undo the Base Year Shenanigans/Lockoff Premium charts after Members pushed back several years ago, and there's a chance that owners would complain about any other chagnes that don't comport with the documents in ways they might not have ten years ago. But the other reason is that there is an intertesting quirk about RIV: The Public Offering Statement lists the maximum reallocation point values for Standard (now Resort) and Preferred Vacation Homes seperately. That tells me that the Powers That Be think about them as different unit types. That was not done for e.g. BLT.

Where do you find the maximum reallocation point values? I saw you linked to it in another thread, and that led me to a 100+ page document that I couldn't use CTRL+F on. I skimmed through it and learned some rather crazy things (e.g. if anyone ever succeeded in wresting control of the condo association away from DVC, they would have to remove "Disney" from the entire thing and DVC gets to provide them a new name to use). But I never found the reallocation values. Do you know what they are for BLT and Poly?

 

[DoubleBaconBLT]

I will bet a pile of mickey bars they never do.

You're on*

*Terms and conditions: Said pile to be delivered by room service while onboard a DCL cruise (fare not included).

 

[Genie+]

I skimmed through it and learned some rather crazy things (e.g. if anyone ever succeeded in wresting control of the condo association away from DVC, they would have to remove "Disney" from the entire thing and DVC gets to provide them a new name to use).

DVC gets to pick the name: Palmetto Vacation Club

Welcome Home to PVC!

 

[Cfabar1]

Where do you find the maximum reallocation point values? I saw you linked to it in another thread, and that led me to a 100+ page document that I couldn't use CTRL+F on. I skimmed through it and learned some rather crazy things (e.g. if anyone ever succeeded in wresting control of the condo association away from DVC, they would have to remove "Disney" from the entire thing and DVC gets to provide them a new name to use). But I never found the reallocation values. Do you know what they are for BLT and Poly?

I believe between seasons it is 15% Unsure if that is what you are asking.

 

[Brian Noble]

I have a copy of Acrobat, and use it to OCR the documents of the are not already searchable. If I remember correctly it is in Section 3 of the Disney Vacation Club Member Agreement; it is part of the resort-specific POS.

 

[Patmcpsu]

Forgive my ignorance, but why do they split things into units? It really complicates things - why not just have the each resort be one single unit?

Remember that Jeff mentioned on the DVC show that Old Key West will have a quagmire in 2042 when some contracts expire and others don't, and every "unit" will no longer be 100% owned by members (unless some miraculous re-arranging occurs via ROFR).

 

[Sandisw]

Where do you find the maximum reallocation point values? I saw you linked to it in another thread, and that led me to a 100+ page document that I couldn't use CTRL+F on. I skimmed through it and learned some rather crazy things (e.g. if anyone ever succeeded in wresting control of the condo association away from DVC, they would have to remove "Disney" from the entire thing and DVC gets to provide them a new name to use). But I never found the reallocation values. Do you know what they are for BLT and Poly?

It should also be in the Multisite POS. Go to your DVC account, Profile, Collatoral Documents.

All your resort specific documents and multi site POS documents are there.

 

[Sandisw]

Forgive my ignorance, but why do they split things into units? It really complicates things - why not just have the each resort be one single unit?

Remember that Jeff mentioned on the DVC show that Old Key West will have a quagmire in 2042 when some contracts expire and others don't, and every "unit" will no longer be 100% owned by members (unless some miraculous re-arranging occurs via ROFR).

My understanding is to allow them to declare things in smaller amounts.

This way, they can declare based on sales. What isn’t declared can be sold via Disney to cash guests.

 

[Brian Noble]

Forgive my ignorance, but why do they split things into units?

As @Sandisw mentions, once a Unit is declared into the condominium, it "belongs" to DVC owners. If they have only sold 5% of a resort, it would be sub-optimal to have the entire resort belong to DVC, because that would mean that Disney's hotel arm cannot (easily) rent out the other 95% of the Shiny New Hotness for cash.

(They can, but they have to use the breakage model, which is more complicated. And, less likely because the Shiny New Hotness is probably a more interesting target to a lot of owners at 7 months.)

It should also be in the Multisite POS.

The Mutli-site POS does have some reallocation language, but I've never found the Maximum Reallocation values for any particular resort in the Mutli-site POS. I've only searched for OCR'd text; it is possible that some parts are not recognized correctly. As far as I know, the MR values are only in the per-resort documents.

 

[Sandisw]

As @Sandisw mentions, once a Unit is declared into the condominium, it "belongs" to DVC owners. If they have only sold 5% of a resort, it would be sub-optimal to have the entire resort belong to DVC, because that would mean that Disney's hotel arm cannot (easily) rent out the other 95% of the Shiny New Hotness for cash.

(They can, but they have to use the breakage model, which is more complicated. And, less likely because the Shiny New Hotness is probably a more interesting target to a lot of owners at 7 months.)



The Mutli-site POS does have some reallocation language, but I've never found the Maximum Reallocation values for any particular resort in the Mutli-site POS. I've only searched for OCR'd text; it is possible that some parts are not recognized correctly. As far as I know, the MR values are only in the per-resort documents.

There should be a chart at the end that shows all of them.

That is where I have always found it. It gets amended every time there is a new resort added.

So you might need to go the amendment documents that are done regularly

Here is the amendment from 2022 that added the resort studios at VGF.

https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...docs/MS_POS_Insert_12_2022_clean_12222022.pdf

 

[Brian Noble]

I only see the MR values for GFV in that document, but do not see any of the others. I suppose I could look at each one individually, but I don't need to do that because they are also in the resort-specific documents.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Where do you find the maximum reallocation point values? I saw you linked to it in another thread, and that led me to a 100+ page document that I couldn't use CTRL+F on. I skimmed through it and learned some rather crazy things (e.g. if anyone ever succeeded in wresting control of the condo association away from DVC, they would have to remove "Disney" from the entire thing and DVC gets to provide them a new name to use). But I never found the reallocation values. Do you know what they are for BLT and Poly?

Found it in mine. I just searched the word reallocation. Now do feel like rehashing this from up thread to make my point
Edit: wasnt this thread so it would take even more effort to rehash.

 

[Sandisw]

I only see the MR values for GFV in that document, but do not see any of the others. I suppose I could look at each one individually, but I don't need to do that because they are also in the resort-specific documents.

That is only the amendment document to the multisite POS from 202.

So, each time there is a new resort, it’s added as an amendment and will only be in the actual multi site POS when that is updated.

It’s out there somewhere that has all the resorts on it. I’ll try to find it.

 

[Brian Noble]

It's not that big of a deal; I know how to find it in the resort-specific documents.

 

[foodiddiedoo]

I know this would probably never happen, but for the tower resorts like BLT/PIT/RIV it would be nice if there was a cheaper lower floor category (still utilizing Resort/Lake/Theme Park type views), but a “high floor” Lake View or Theme Park view might cost a few points more. Some TPV rooms are fairly terrible on lower floors and this could make people feel less stress about what type of view they’d really get for the extra points. I saw a lot of people complaining about the view in PIT not really matching what was expected (especially below the third floor), so this could be a great way to increase satisfaction. People who don’t care about the view could get the cheaper rooms, people who do can pay for higher floors. I feel like they did something like this sort of with the AKV view types.

 

[eticketplease]

I know this would probably never happen, but for the tower resorts like BLT/PIT/RIV it would be nice if there was a cheaper lower floor category (still utilizing Resort/Lake/Theme Park type views), but a “high floor” Lake View or Theme Park view might cost a few points more. Some TPV rooms are fairly terrible on lower floors and this could make people feel less stress about what type of view they’d really get for the extra points. I saw a lot of people complaining about the view in PIT not really matching what was expected (especially below the third floor), so this could be a great way to increase satisfaction. People who don’t care about the view could get the cheaper rooms, people who do can pay for higher floors. I feel like they did something like this sort of with the AKV view types.

They reclassified some rooms at BLT because of this.

 

[foodiddiedoo]

They reclassified some rooms at BLT because of this.

Was there no standard view when it first opened?